PC Gamer (1400€ + or -)

[CoUgSt]

I like the config of Bm4n

[Jaime_Triana]

Considering that I want a gaming PC with the smoothest possible performance in games, I would also like it to be fast in other types of activities such as file streaming, video and photo editing programs, HD playback…etc (generally fast in everything) I would like to ask you some questions so that you can clarify some things for me that I am not clear about :risitas:

1- Regarding the motherboards, my intention at the moment is to have a single powerful graphics card (but if in the future I feel like doing SLI then... I would like not to regret not being able to do it). It should support SATA 6GB, the latest processors that come out like the "I7 2600k" that I mentioned before and the greatest speed in RAM memory...etc
Having seen this, I have started to look at what differences there are in the "Z" series and I can't understand the difference between V-PRO, DELUXE, MAXIMUS IV Gene...etc I don't know which one is best for me! and since I am spending money and they have similar prices then... I want the best one they know?

2- The graphics card, I stayed with the gtx275, I have always trusted nvidia but... they say that ati is now giving a good pull. I wouldn't know which one to choose to be honest, and if I chose a brand it would be Asus, Zotac or Gigabyte, but of course, I don't know which one is better either...

3- The power supply has always been my executioner, I have read that "corsair" are the best, and that for choosing I choose "AX" and modular for being more comfortable, taking into account for what I would use the PC if it were to overck...etc, I don't know how many watts I would need.:dead:

4- Regarding the RAM and the CPU fan I have no problems. And for the SSD hard drive, "OCZ" I have been told that it is also the best quality/price, but there are many types of "OCZ" with the same GB and I also don't know how to differentiate them..

Conclusion, I am a mess. If someone could answer those basic hardware questions I would be very grateful because at the same time I would learn.

Many thanks to Hardlimit and to the responses that so far have been written in the forum, it is appreciated.

[CNCBCN]

all the motherboards that I mentioned support sata3, regarding the deluxe and others forget it, they usually have some extra feature but don't decide just for that
both Nvidia and Ati have very good graphics, I would go for Nvidia because of PhysX and cuda
if you ever want SLI, think about an 800w one as a minimum
for SSDs you have to look at the read/write speed
about SLI, the one you put ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 Z68 EXTREME7 GEN3 Placa Base supports ATI and Nvidia :D:D

[Jaime_Triana]

Thanks for your answer friend! it has been helpful

Finally, I just wanted to focus my purchase from the OC's perspective.
Let's say that the OC, fundamentally, would want it to increase the performance of the games. I have read that it is not worth "anything at all" OC in games. And considering that I will use OC for the general performance of the PC (considering the PC that I want to buy that will give me a piece of performance by itself) I don't think I need to increase its performance with OC, right?

And another thing!! hard drives for games for example, vary a lot if they go from 5400rpm to 7200rpm? And for other activities?

[Bm4n]

The Z68 boards have a couple of improvements when it comes to using SSDs and support for integrated graphics at the same time as OC, some like the Giga that I put on you do not have graphics support and thus uses all the power phases for the CPU that for OC is what you are interested in. You do not need an ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 or anything like that (with a special chip for SLI to dual 16x) unless you plan to set up an SLI with a 590 or a triple SLI.

If you want a normal SLI of graphics of less than 200W one of 700W is enough, if you want more you have to look for 800-900W and in all brands there are categories, if you want "the best" perhaps a Seasonic X.

With the SSDs it is very important that they are reliable and right now many of them fail like a carnival shotgun, the M4 is a reliable and fast disk.

The 6950 for its category has a good price, you can spend a little more and buy a 570, but if you are planning to do SLI the most logical thing would be a 560ti.

[Obione]

SSD caching is at best a substitute and the Virtu is still to be polished, Z68 is a joke :lol:

[Bm4n]

@Obione:

SSD caching is at best a substitute and the Virtu is still to be polished, Z68 is a joke :lol:

I'm not saying no, but it's worth €10 more than the P67 with 4 more power phases and if you're going to use SSD there's no bad placebo ;D

[Jaime_Triana]

In this case I will use SSD hehe

By the way, regarding the SLI and getting a 560TI... I've seen on pccomponentes and there are MANY MANY xD.
And I've heard that the ones that blow air out or something like that, are better for the temperature issue.
Is it worth it to play with an SLI (with the games we have today) or get a powerful one directly for something less than the price of buying two in sli.

Greetings!!

[CNCBCN]

@Jaime_Triana:

Thanks for your reply friend! It has been very helpful

Finally, I just wanted to focus my purchase from the OC's perspective.
Let's say that the OC, fundamentally, would want it to increase the performance of games. I have read that OC is not worth "anything at all" in games. And considering that I will use OC for the overall performance of the PC (considering the PC I want to buy that will give me a lot of performance on its own) I don't think I need to increase its performance with OC, right?

And another thing!! Do hard drives for games, for example, vary a lot if they go from 5400rpm to 7200rpm? And for other activities?

Theoretically, with OC you will always gain performance, both in CPU and GPU
I think you said you wanted an SSD, right? Those disks are called "solid" because they have no moving parts, so they don't have RPM. The ideal (as Bm4n and Obiene recommend) is to look for a reliable one The SSD will be only for the OS and to install games (don't put 40 at once as the euro/Giga ratio is high :nono:) Logically, you will need a disk or two for storage. You can get something from the "green" series. The Black ones are faster but I don't think they are necessary if you mount SSDs. You can also look into mounting a RAID 0 with two SSDs or mounting a RAID 0 with normal disks (but always with a support disk).

P.D. RPM matters :rollani: The faster they rotate, the faster they usually read/write, but what you have to look at is exactly that.

Example (just off the top of my head)ALTERNATE - HARDWARE - Hard drives (HDD) - SATA - 3,5 inches - Seagate ST3500413AS 500 GB
ALTERNATE - HARDWARE - Hard drives (HDD) - SATA - 3,5 inches - Western Digital WD1500HLFS 150 GB
ALTERNATE - HARDWARE - Hard drives (HDD) - Solid State Drive (SSD) - SATA - OCZ Vertex2 3,5" SSD 120 GB
Look at the speeds and draw your own conclusions (but don't buy any of them as they are chosen off the top of my head)

[Obione]

Jaime, the reference designs that blow air out are good for SLI/CrossfireX especially in conventional cases where the top card generates a lot of heat. Since they are 2 important heat sources, yes, they keep the inside cooler but they are noisier and do not cool as much as the 2-fan designs.

Then, going back to the motherboard, I don't think PCIe 3 is very important. The bandwidth of the connector has been ahead of what the graphics cards need for a long time, but the fact is that Gen3 fully supports PCIe 3.0 which will only be used with Ivy (successors of Sandy, 22nm). When Gigabyte announced compatibility (they usually work hard on this aspect) MSI and ASRock went after them, the thing is that they were all right. On the one hand, Gigabyte has managed to create a compatible design, but not with all the functionalities.

The Z68XP-UD4 is a serious motherboard and is a good option. I wouldn't get anything above that, this platform is the least motherboard-dependent for multi and has a fairly low consumption.

You could have specified the use before, since you want video, a 2600K and a performance drive instead of the efficient Samsung we put in.

As for multiGPU, I would get a 6950 that scales very well. The 560 Ti are also good and overclock well, now that they have dropped a bit they are also a good option, for example the Asus DirectCU II for 207€.

Then there's the power supply issue, Seasonic is a safe bet. If the 80+ Bronze I put is a precious metal, let's say the Gold is a jewel. It's not twice as good but it costs twice as much. Let's say Cooler Master is not such a good jeweler but the power supply they put in is still a jewel. I would get the S12II looking for quality first and price then, but anyway, whatever you do you won't go wrong. For an SLI of 570 you don't need more than what the 620 offers (just under 600W) but if you also want to overclock both the CPU and GPUs it's better to have 100 watts more.

I'll put another proposal given the uses. I got a bit excited with the drive, if you don't need so much capacity you can get an F3 of 1TB for example, it doesn't perform as much but you practically won't notice it and you'll save some good euros. I'll also put the Seasonic X-660 which costs a bit more and has a bit less power than the Silent Pro Gold, and the ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3. You can get the Cooler Master power supply, Gigabyte motherboard and the Silver Arrow or the Archon cooler, I'll put the HR-02 because I think it has enough performance (close to the Archon or the Silver Arrow) for a Sandy and I got carried away with other components, just like I put the 560 Ti even though I defended the 6950. I insist, whatever you do here you are well advised and you won't go wrong, here's the budget:

Custom budget. PcComponentes.com

PD: In the case of the case, more of the same, Fractal, Cooler Master, SilverStone… We are not going to recommend something that will leave you with a bad taste in your mouth

[Jaime_Triana]

I just want an SSD drive to have Windows 7 and a few games installed. And then a Sata 3.5 for storage (that's why I was asking about the rpm)

In the end, and just by eye. With the possibility of doing SLI and OC the processor (but not the RAM). How do you see this configuration that I think can be the definitive one?

Custom budget. PcComponentes.com

[Jaime_Triana]

Thank you very much Obione for your opinion, it has been very helpful.
I will study the budget you have just offered me right now, goodbye and thank you very much!!!!!!! ;D

[Obione]

Heat sink failure, it's like wanting to make a miniature sports car. If there's space nothing under 12 cms. Dineral in source, little capacity with higher price/mega in SSD… The case is not one of my favorites but if you like it... The assembler is not the best but well, it's a cheap 570, do it yourself.

[Jaime_Triana]

The difference between the "Seasoni"c you told me about and the "Corsair" I put in before is around €30 in the budget.
(I know Corsair is from the same company that makes Seasonic) What's the difference between the two and which one is better? In terms of "W", the Corsair provides more according to its name and according to what I read, the "AX" provide optimal performance. I've heard wonders about the Seasonic ones, but I opted for the Corsair mainly because it had more "W" in case I might need more in the future if I did something that demanded more watts.

I put the "M4" SSD because you recommended it to me before! hehe, I would only put Windows and a few games on it.

As for the heatsink… I simply have "no idea" xD. Whenever I read about heatsinks, I only see "Noctua" everywhere as the best. If the heatsink you recommended before works for me when doing OC, then that same one (as long as it fits in my case, which I think it does)

The tower is a whim... I really like that one

And as for the graphics card, I still have the same doubt... I've always had "Asus" because they gave me confidence, just like with the motherboards. But on the other hand, "Zotac" from what I've seen and checked with my friends... what can I say, it runs the same and is more economical. As long as I get the same performance from one brand or another, I'm fine with it (unless Zotac has a reputation for breaking or something after a short time of course xD) Lastly, I wanted to ask you something... do I need to buy a graphics card that says "TI" to do SLI, or if for example I buy that Zotac, if I buy another one like it, could I do it too?

Thanks for all the help you're giving me.

[Bm4n]

It doesn't matter if you buy Corsair AX, Colermaster Silent Pro Gold, Seasonic X, they are all very good power supplies, with efficiency around 90% and a 5-year warranty. Just choose the one you like the most or the one that makes you angry.

We have put some very good heatsinks on it, and if you don't like it, look for a review of a heatsink that you like and you will know if it is good or not.

The tower is a matter of taste.

And the graphics card, the 560TI is a model, it is not special for SLI, but for the price and consumption it would be a good graphics card for SLI and you would even get by with a 700W power supply. That is to say, an SLI of 560TI yields more than a 580 and costs about 10-20€ less.

[Jaime_Triana]

It's interesting that two 560Ti's perform better than one GTX 580 and are cheaper. I'll take note!
It's not about choosing the one that gives me more courage anymore...it's about the watts, I had to experience a "boom" in my PC a few years ago because of a bad power supply that didn't deliver the "W" it specified and....
For example, with SLI of those two 560Ti's, would the Seasonic X 660W or the Corsair 850W Modular be enough for me?

[Bm4n]

I already replied to your PM, for a 560 SLI a 700W, for a 700 a 800W and for a 580 a 900W… just a rough estimate and talking about quality power supplies

It's easy to calculate, the 560Ti consume 170W maximum, which in reality is a bit less, but considering that some models have OC let's say a maximum of 200W, we multiply by 2 total 400W consumption (although according to some reviews it's 300W). Subtract 300W from that, subtract 100W for an i5 with OC that doesn't consume it either, and with 200W it's more than enough for drives and motherboard. I would say that the real consumption of the equipment would be around 550W.

[Jaime_Triana]

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Creo que después de mucho pensar, esto es lo que me voy a comprar:
Presupuesto a medida. PcComponentes.com

¿Qué os parece? Aun dudo en verdad sobre la fuente, el disipador y la marca "MSI" de la gráfica….

Perdón por hablar en distintos hilos! Un saludo

[incrediboy]

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@Jaime_Triana:

Creo que después de mucho pensar, esto es lo que me voy a comprar:
Presupuesto a medida. PcComponentes.com

¿Qué os parece? Aun dudo en verdad sobre la fuente, el disipador y la marca "MSI" de la gráfica….

Perdón por hablar en distintos hilos! Un saludo

lo veo bien, si acaso añadir algun ventilador (creo que no puedes meterlos en el configurador, pero puedes pedirlos a parte y hablar con ellos para que te los monten en el pc)

sobre la marca msi no te preocupes, no es tan conocida como otras marcas pero es muy de fiar

[Jaime_Triana]

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@incrediboy:

lo veo bien, si acaso añadir algun ventilador (creo que no puedes meterlos en el configurador, pero puedes pedirlos a parte y hablar con ellos para que te los monten en el pc)

sobre la marca msi no te preocupes, no es tan conocida como otras marcas pero es muy de fiar

Perdón por mi ignorancia, pero cuando te refieres a otro ventilador, te refieres uno para la torre, para la gráfica…?
¿Esa gráfica MSI twin force III tiene buena ventilación o se calienta mucho?