AMD Zen, news and comments

[Obione]

There is a lot of jump in IPC, I think their trump card is to release an x6 that doesn't skyrocket in price (or the x8). It was a lot of money to go to a hexacore, now the micro would say it's not expensive in 2011-3 but, the motherboard is. You get a 1151 with a 80-85€ motherboard and you get closer in performance. If they add HT, getting closer in IPC with a 100€ motherboard, not 200, that's their trump card. Like when those x8s stood up to i7s, but only for renders

[rul3s]

Well well.... the more I read about AMD Zen the more I want one... depending on how I see it maybe I'll sell the 4790K and go for a Zen.

How I wish AMD would give Intel a run for its money again!

[Obione]

What use do you give to the Rules team?

I retract what I said in the Intel micro thread that I would change when they planted a micro (x6) and a BBB board. To stretch this until it explodes xD

I hope they turn out good, what a joke the Kaby are.

[whoololon]

@Rules The thing about buying on your day the best, is that you have a machine for the long haul.
That i7 of yours with a 1070 still performs well enough to ignore the first batch of Zen, so unless it's a whim, I wouldn't consider the change so soon. :nerd:

[Obione]

Given the lack of knowledge about its use, it seems to me that it won't be worth it. If it's used for pro editing, it would make sense. Or well, if you're going to use it somewhere else by building the AMD from scratch...

[cobito]

Tonight at 10 pm is the event where Zen is presented.

[whoololon]

Let's get dressed up for the occasion then...

...the thing is that I don't know which panties to wear...

[Obione]

My vote for lace panties.

[whoololon]

To highlight:

• The FX did not exist.
• 3.4 Ghz no longer impress anyone.
• The Vega advance gave me secondhand embarrassment.
• We still do not know the prices.
• In the end I did not put on panties.

[rul3s]

Well, I just watched the Ryzen presentation and it was really good, in summary I will say:

Comparisons against a 6900K

In the first test, they render an image and both are on par, a Ryzen at 3.4GHz without Boost and a 6900K at 3.2GHz with boost. The 6900K has a TDP of 140W, the Ryzen 95W.

In the second test, encoding a video in Handbrake, it took 54s on Ryzen, 59s on the 6900K.

In the third test against a 6700K, it was seen that it was not capable of playing Dota2 and capturing/encoding video for Twitch, it would cut out, but with the Ryzen it was smooth.

Prices are not known.
At the end they make a short Vega video where you can see playing the new Battlefront at 4k@60fps, although there wasn't much action in that scene...

I think they promise a lot if they stick to what they have shown, at least, to put pressure on Intel and their prices.

[rul3s]

Ah, the render they do with the Ryzen and the 6900k that takes 34s they have uploaded it on their website so people can try it out:

Blender: https://www.blender.org/download
Project: http://download.amd.com/demo/RyzenGraphic_27.blend

[krampak]

If I understand correctly, will Precision Boost + Pure Power make the automatic OC greater depending on the temperature (cooling) used?
The truth is that so far it doesn't look bad, but we will have to see the tests on the street.

[whoololon]

What was missing, now they don't even need us for the Olympics.
This world is going to the

And the truth is, it doesn't seem like it's going to be cheap.

[cobito]

I have made a little summary on the cover.

Everything indicates that the processor market could get interesting. But let's not forget that AMD is a company and, as such, its goal is to obtain the maximum possible profit. If the Zen perform as well as they present, their price will surely approach that of their Intel counterparts with a small discount for the fact that "they are not Intel".

[amd125]

Anything that is a competition between Intel and AMD will be good for the market and for the end consumer. Personally and for the use I give to the PC I have the FX 8350 for a while, but I would like AMD to get closer to Intel, because since the FX range that already has a few years, they have not released anything moderately decent. The high range I don't care about, because I'm not one to buy high range, but if there were micros around 200-250€ maximum that were cool, it would be very good news.

[rul3s]

@Rules said in AMD Zen, news and comments:

Ah, the render they do with the Ryzen and the 6900k that takes 34s they've put it on their website so people can try it out:

Blender: https://www.blender.org/download
Project: http://download.amd.com/demo/RyzenGraphic_27.blend

I RECIFY A DETAIL, you have to set the samples to 150, by default they come in 200.

My 4790k@4.6GHz configured to 150 samples takes 57 seconds to render the same work.

[palotes]

I am a Linux user and I am thinking about getting a Zen when they come out because AMD has been doing well with drivers for Linux lately. I have been reading about these processors for a few days and I am intrigued by the neural networks. No matter how much I search, I can't find details. But if I understand it correctly, the CPU will have a neural network that will make decisions about the execution of instructions? Does that mean I can train the processor to learn how to do certain tasks more quickly?

[rul3s]

@palotes said in AMD Zen, news and comments:

I am a Linux user and I am thinking about getting a Zen when they come out because AMD has been treating Linux drivers well lately. I have been reading about these processors for a few days and I was intrigued by the neural networks. No matter how much I search, I can't find details. But if I understand it correctly, the CPU will have a neural network that will make decisions about the execution of instructions? That means that I can train the processor to learn to do certain tasks more quickly?

But they can only be trained with positive reinforcement, not like if you don't do them well I'll stop the fan for a few seconds... rather from the plan if you do well I'll raise the vcore by +0.05

P.D: Don't take much notice of me, at this time of the morning I still haven't fully fueled up

[palotes]

@Rules But the neural networks are not for controlling cooling and frequency, right? It's for executing instructions. At least that's what I understood from @cobito's post. If that's the case, when the processor is used a lot for a task, over time it would get faster at that task. For example, if I use the processor to do intensive calculations on something specific, over time it would learn to do it faster. That's what I understand about the neural network that has been put on the Zens.

[krampak]

@palotes Yes, it's about executing instructions but the exact mechanism hasn't been specified yet, there are just the following two hypotheses:

1. Ranging from actual physical modelling of instruction workflow to identify critical paths to be accelerated (unlikely)

2. Statistical analysis of what is coming through the engine and attempting to work during downtime that might accelerate future instructions (such as inserting an instruction to decode into an idle decoder in preparation for when it actually comes through, therefore ends up using the micro-op cache and making it quicker).