Choose between: Philips 236V3LSB 23" and Packard Viseo 240 DX 24" or any other similar one

[endermcx]

Hello, I am going to buy a new monitor and I am thinking about one of these two models, I already know that you will tell me that a better one is an IPS and so on, but my budget does not allow me to spend more, I am already quite tight with these and an IPS would cost me 170 euros or more...

between these models:

Philips 236V3LSB 23" LED 236V3LSB/00 Monitor for 137 euros

and this one

Packard Bell Viseo 240 DX 24" DVI Full HD ET.UK0HE.003 Monitor for 135 euros

which one do you recommend? the only differences I see are:

philips: 23 inches (58.4 cm) being LED

packard bell: 24 inches (59.9 cm) LCD that is not LED, I understand that the difference is minimal, is that so?

both have DVI and VGA which is what I need to connect my main PC and my download PC

I am also open to any other proposal as long as it is of a similar price

[Sylver]

I would go for the Philips, for reliability, experience, for being LED and because it is a good monitor for that price. The response time is the same on both, although it seems that the Philips does not include integrated speakers, and that is actually an advantage, because they usually do not sound good.

Regards

[ferelxyx]

the Philips is undoubtedly much better, it is almost an LG (they are partners) and it is LED and the LED you can notice the difference
less consumption, better color and better blacks

Packard Bell does not have good monitors in general

regards

[endermcx]

thanks for replying to both of you

not having speakers is not a problem, I don't use them, I have them separately.

As for Philips, as a brand it certainly seems better, and if you tell me that you can really tell the difference between being LED or not being LED, (I thought it was minimal) the only thing that throws me back a bit are the comments I've seen on pccomponentes, there are several that say it's very complicated to adjust the image well and that it doesn't look good…

On the other hand, that 1.4 centimeters more in size I liked, although maybe it shouldn't be the deciding factor when choosing, I don't know I'm undecided to be honest, hehe.

Do you know any other option at a similar price? it doesn't have to be on pccomponentes

By the way, I have a 19-inch monitor with a 5:4 ratio 1280x1024 I suppose I'll notice quite a difference and it will be worth the change, right?

[Bm4n]

@ferelxyx:

the Philips is undoubtedly much better, it's almost an LG (they are partners) and it's LED and you can notice the difference with LED
less consumption, better color and better blacks

Packard Bell doesn't have good monitors in general

regards

LED lighting doesn't give better colors or better blacks. Packard is owned by Acer, it has monitors as bad as Philips currently (which is in a bad state).

I would go for a good 22"…

[Sylver]

The image adjustment shouldn't give you any problems, those who have difficulties and say they see it worse is because they usually choose an incorrect resolution, but a priori and with good graphics you shouldn't have absolutely no problem.

It is totally worth it, especially for the quality and the size change will make you unable to go back to 19 inches ever again jajaja

Best regards

[endermcx]

something about the fact that there was practically no difference between lc and led sounded familiar to me, but I wasn't sure… is the led worth it or not?

sylver, you also have a packard, does it seem that bad to you?

I ruled out the one with a 22 inch screen (which ends up being 21.5) because I want a bigger one, at least 23, otherwise there isn't much difference in size from the one I have... although there might be a difference in resolution

I have a question, I just saw this in the specifications of both:
PHILIPS:
Panel size: 23 inches / 58.4 cm
Effective viewing area: 533.2 (H) x 312.0 (V)

Packard
Size Format 23.6 / 59.9 cm
Visual area 521.28 (H) x 293.22 (V) mm

how is it possible that the philips has a larger viewing area if it's 0.6 inches smaller?

[Bm4n]

A ver Packard works with few monitors and has 2 ranges, viseo and maestro. The one you put is a low-end and old model; LED is not the best but it is what is used now. The size, well, you know, big ass and whether it moves or not… from 22 to 24” are the same resolutions, so you will pay more and have a larger pixel size.

[Sylver]

@endermcx:

something about the fact that there was practically no difference between lc and led sounded familiar to me but I wasn't sure…is the led worth it or not then?

sylver you also have a packard, does it seem that bad to you?

Me? A packard? Where did you get that from? :|:|:| I have a 17" OKI that half of Spain would laugh at and that's not in the signature precisely… xD

And I reiterate that in terms of consumption and quality, the LED is worth it. While it is true what Bm4n says, it's not the best, but there is an improvement between an LCD and an LED and it's true, I've checked it first hand, unless my eyesight is messed up, which I doubt because I put on my glasses in case there were any doubts.

In my experience so far I have good references of Philips and few of Packard Bell, so I'm telling you what I know for sure.

[ferelxyx]

@Bm4n:

LED lighting does not give better colors or better blacks. Packard owns Acer, it has as bad monitors as Philips currently (which is in a state of collapse).

I would stay with a good 22"…

Packard Bell is a Dutch manufacturer of computers and electronic items, with a presence in Western Europe and Latin America. Since January 2008 it has belonged to the Taiwanese group Acer
ACER as a brand has only been known for a few years, but it has been manufacturing components for many more well-known brands for many years, as is currently the case with Samsung

Philips are not sold as much but are almost the same as LG and if you notice the difference of being LED or not
I have a Samsung 19" TV model 4000 LED and the color and blacks are much better without a doubt

and don't tell me that I'm wrong, because then you are blind and that's just as well since I only have one eye

regards

[endermcx]

sorry sylver I made a mistake, the one with a packard is bm4n, but as he himself says he is a master and not a viseo.
Well then it seems that from what you tell me that you have been able to compare lcd-led it is worth losing that 0.6 inches in exchange for the led (the consumption is indifferent to me, I don't care if it spends 30 or 20 w that aspect is not relevant to me).
I am more at ease with what you say that it will be for putting non-native resolutions, it makes sense…By the way, I have the same graphics as you, I hope it is enough to move games at 1080 because the resolution jump is important.

Bm4n, the difference between getting one of 21.5 and one of 23 are 15-20 euros, and damn, being the pixel larger things will also look a bit larger, right? I remember that from one of 17 to 19 with resolution 1280x1024 both the difference was noticeable, and since I am changing it... I don't think I have anything negative that is larger and if the benefit of almost 5cm of screen diameter more... no?

ferelxyx, thanks for the info on the origins of each brand, I didn't know them, you would have it clear then, right? it compensates for the led even if you lose 0.6 inches, and especially the brand, although philips is not "the big deal"...

Do you have any other monitor options at similar prices or that don't go much further.

many thanks to all for participating and helping me

[Bm4n]

@endermcx:

Bm4n, the difference between getting a 21.5 and a 23 is 15-20 euros, and damn, since the pixel is bigger, things will also look a bit bigger, right? I remember that from a 17 to a 19 with a 1280x1024 resolution, both the difference was noticeable, and since I'm changing it… I don't think I have anything negative that's bigger and if the benefit of almost 5cm of screen diameter more... not?

I don't know if for you it will be positive or negative, it's just a bigger image and bigger pixels. My previous monitor was a 24" 1920x1200, 1080 is smaller so bigger pixels, and the difference is noticeable depending on the distance you use it… specifically:

Diagonal - Resolution - PPI (pixels per inch)
24.0" - 1920×1080 - 91.79
21.5" - 1920×1080 - 102
The size difference is almost 10%.

Everyone has their own taste, but in this case, the saying "the bigger the better" doesn't apply because just because you buy a bigger monitor doesn't mean you'll be more comfortable with it, especially if it's the same resolution. Like everything, each thing has its use and depending on the distance and the use you're going to give it, one will be better than the other, anyway, it's always better to have a small and good monitor than a big and bad one.

[Nemo]

A question... with permission from endermcx.
Bm4n, regarding what you said about pixel size, would the visual experience be the same on a 22" monitor at 1080 seen from 50-60cm as one of 24" at 1920x1200 at 1 meter?
By visual experience, I mean that you don't have to squint to read text ;D.
Best regards

[Bm4n]

Yes, let's say that at 50cm you can notice it but at a greater distance you can't. If you use it at 1 meter 24-26" is fine, but at a greater distance it's better to buy a TV. Of all the large monitors have their audience, especially in design where they need a lot of workspace on a single screen, for those who handle data they usually mount several monitors and gamers also to make a larger panorama.

[endermcx]

no problem nemo, the more we learn the better. Also I would like to know why you insist that 21.5 is better… bm4n I usually use the monitor at a distance of about 75-80 cm, sometimes I get closer to 55-60 if I lean back in my chair but it's not frequent. I think it's a "considerable" distance which is why I'm leaning towards a 23-24 inch monitor, plus if I get a 21.5 inch one I'm sure that when I have it I'll be thinking that I should have gotten the bigger one and I won't enjoy it properly... (plus it'll be appreciated for watching series, movies, games, etc., right?). I've been looking at monitors: I've seen these other BENQ ones: BenQ G2420HDBL 24" LED Full HD DVI 9H.L3XLB.QBE Monitor on amazon is 144 euros or this one Benq G2420HD - Monitor LCD: Amazon.es: Electrónica which is the same as the previous one but without LED, and with a response time of 2ms for 135 euros I think this one is interesting because of the price and because it also has HDMI, it's always an extra... what do you think?

[endermcx]

I have also found these, the last ones I was looking for, among all the ones mentioned, the winner must come out, because otherwise I will go crazy with so many models as there are...

LG W2443T-PF - Monitor LCD 23.6 ": Amazon.es: Electrónica

Samsung BX2331, 584.2 mm (23 "), 2 ms, 250 cd/m², 1920 x 1080 Pixeles, PVA, 1000:1: Amazon.es: Electrónica

Acer X233HB ET.VX3HE.003 - Monitor LCD: Amazon.es: Electrónica

Asus VH242S, 59.9 cm (23.6 "), 5 ms, 300 cd/m², 1920 x 1080 Pixeles, 170 °, 160 °: Amazon.es: Electrónica

[Bm4n]

Man exactly exactly, we took the monitor out… 70cm (head - monitor). Just that apart from the size you have to value more things, the data is what it is and what I say is from experience the rest is up to each one (for mine if with more size I don't have more work space it's not worth it, from something big I would go directly to a 27" 2560x1440). Of the BenQ ones I can only say that the frame is super scratchy plastic, of the rest several forum members have BenQ and without complaints.

PD. I had forgotten another reason why I mention it, the bad thing about a large TN screen is that if you don't look at it from a sufficient distance you will see a difference in the color from the top to the bottom due to the viewing angle. That really annoyed me so I finally sold it.

[endermcx]

the 75-80 are from the eyes, I have put the metro close to the glasses and from there to the monitor and that in position to use the keyboard and mouse, if I get comfortable in the chair just to look (movie, match, etc.) about 85-90cm

what other things do I value? because the pixel is a little bigger it will look blurry or something at that distance?
what you say about the color according to the angle will be in all TN monitors, whether 21.5 or 23 not? that is one of the advantages of IPS that have more viewing angle...

the plastic is indifferent to me, I am not going to be touching it, which brands do you think are good? lg and samsung?
because in this price range both in 21.5 and in 23/24 the brands that are there are PB, philips, benq, lg, acer, and some samsung or asus (few) and all have similar characteristics...

by the way, thank you for answering and for the trouble you are taking

[Bm4n]

I had the same issue, even though I was taller, because it wasn't panoramic 16:9 but 16:10. It won't happen to everyone, but it's better to try before you buy; the bigger the screen, the more angle you have when looking up and down. Put a background in a gray color and get closer so that "it's bigger", look up and down and you'll see that difference. You'll see the pixel more marked, the smaller the screen, the less noticeable it is. For example, in games, the more resolution you have, the less you notice the "jaggies". Although the difference of 1 or 2 inches is small, that's why you should look for something good above all. IPS have a greater angle, give more colors, but they are slower. If it's not a good and current model, it won't be good for gaming. In your case, it's out of budget. I was surprised by the BenQ, with just a cloth it got scratched... I know that these shiny plastics get scratched with nothing, but so much?! Look for one that has good characteristics and if you go to a big store you can see how it looks or else you can look for reviews on the internet.

[endermcx]

I'll try it out tomorrow with my 19" monitor, which is just as tall as a 23" widescreen, to see if I can see what you're talking about...

Well, that's true, you'll notice the pixels more up close, but man, the distance I'll be looking at it from, you can't notice that on TVs, a 32" you watch from a meter and a half and it looks fine with no problem...I'll have to do what you say, go to a mall and see the differences in size, pixels, colors and other things in person...even though I'll end up buying from an online store that's much cheaper.

As for IPS, I've already noticed, on pccomponentes there's an asus for 159 but it has a 14ms response time, that's ridiculous!!! that must make for some ghosting when gaming...as for the angles, to be honest I don't care much because I always watch it from the front, so I'm not considering those that go up to almost 200

wow, what a difficult decision to make about a monitor, lol, I don't know, for now I think the ones that appeal to me the most are the 2 benq ones from amazon that I put before, if I don't see something interesting somewhere else I think I'll decide on one of them, I wonder if I can see them in a physical store and compare them with others...I think these are better than the PB and the philips, right?

thanks for everything, when I decide I'll be able to post here what you think, goodbye!