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I bought an HP officejet printer/scanner/fax and ethernet for 49€ at MM a couple of months ago, it works very well and the black XL cartridges are very economical. A laser would be better but a decent one with those features costs about 200€.
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If you can spend 100 euros better than 200, what I would be interested in is that it had an automatic scanner. I'm going to look at specifications and comparisons.
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They all use unicorn blood, if it's for work and home and you want something really good I recommend Samsung CLX-3185 now if you want to spend little any of the hp offijet that are around 80-100€ will be fine although it lowers the quality and the pace of work, that already depends on the use.
I've seen on Amazon the CLX-3185/XEC, it costs almost 200 bucks Do you know what the difference is in the XEC? It's the most I could stretch. It seems to have everything, color laser and automatic scanner Don't you? I've seen that it copied 4 sheets per minute in color or 16 in black and white.
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Well I don't know, I'll take a look at it tomorrow, at work I have the 3185/w and the difference is that it has wifi, it's a very good printer, and it's the same as the 3185 now the XEC thing I have no idea, let's see if Samsung puts something.
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I have bought a Brother all-in-one for home and it works really well, the DCP-J525W does not reach 100€.
The cartridges are quite economical and the compatible ones for these models can be found anywhere and they also work very well...
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The model of the mia is the 4500, you also have it with an automatic feeder for the scanner (€70) or without it (€50 like the one I have) and there is also a model with wifi (for just under €100).
The only thing I have against the lasers and all the printers but obviously it is more noticeable in the lasers and especially the economic ones like these Samsung is that they come with practically empty toners from the factory so in a couple of months you already have to make the outlay for some new ones and apart from that many of the originals are for few pages (that is more expensive).
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I haven't looked at the colored ones but the black one, which is the one that will be used the most, is 100 pavazos and they say it prints an average of 24,000 standard pages. To be honest, I don't know anything about printers, they told me that the toner was cheaper but that you had to pay, as you mentioned, color + laser = 200 pavos. I think it doesn't have an automatic scanner (I got the Samsung/XEC) but well, the first thing is that they don't hit you with the cartridge price. If I see a Brother or whatever with much cheaper cartridges I might consider changing it, but after the 15th, I had to order it already to make sure the gift arrived on time.
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I already told you that the 3185 is a marvel, and in the long run, these lasers with toner are cheaper, apart from the quality, of course. I've been looking and I can't find any references to the XEC, and the specifications are the same as the 3185, I only see it on Amazon, nothing on Samsung Spain, but well, we'll see how it goes and you'll tell us. -
I haven't looked at the colored ones, but the black one, which is the one that will be used the most, is 100 pavazos and they say it prints an average of 24,000 standard pages. To be honest, I don't know anything about printers. I was told that the toner was cheaper, but that you pay, as you mentioned, color + laser = 200 pavos. I don't think it has an automatic scanner (I got the Samsung/XEC), but the first thing is that you don't get hit with the cartridge price. If I see a Brother or whatever with much cheaper cartridges, I might consider changing it, but after the 15th, I had to order it already to make sure the gift arrived on time.
No, that's the drum, which you'll have to change over time. It's rare to have toners of more than 15,000.
Samsung brand toners are 1,500 pags. at 40€ it comes out to 0.027€/pag. or 3,000 at 68€ 0.023€/pag. In mine, the HP 901XL which are with injector, you have them from 16€ of 700 pags. 0.023€/pag. And recently I set up in a store an officejet of a higher range with the 920XL which are without injector and for 13€ of 1200 pages 0.011€/pag. And this is talking about original consumables, so you end up with cheaper pages in the inkjet than in the laser, even though it may seem unbelievable.
That's why I've been somewhat disillusioned with cheap lasers, because where you start to notice the price difference is in the toners of 5000 and more, which are the ones that the big lasers carry. I say this because my first laser was a Samsung 1XXX and then there were two OKI torches that although were around 100-150€ the toners were another thing. So you have to print a lot, on a good laser and refilling the toners so that you save, since you already have to amortize those 100€, 150-200€ if it's a multifunction, which cost more.
Are they bad then? No, I still recommend lasers for those who print a lot, not for the savings but for the printing time and quality. If you occasionally print a couple of pages, use inkjet, but if it's 20-100 then laser; if you print for yourself, use inkjet; if it's for invoices or to give to the public, use laser for the quality.
PD. I forgot to mention something else, lasers have more expensive maintenance. If you put an HP with injector cartridges, the maintenance is zero, every time you change you have a new printer; if it's one without injector when you notice that they are worn out, you buy other injectors and they are changed like a cartridge. But lasers have the toner (for those who refill it, in those that can), the roller or toner cartridge, the drum which is expensive and the ribbon, and over time they require cleaning or replacement.
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Well, I was about to cancel the order and look for one with cheaper cartridges but I'll pass, you don't usually print many sheets at once but sometimes there are jobs for which the client can end up paying thousands of euros, the least we can do is deliver a quality print. On occasion, jobs have been taken to the printing press and there are a few sheets of photo paper left over that can be put to good use.
I suppose we'll save considerably compared to the previous one, the old HP cartridges get used up just by looking at them :rollani:
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Hello guys.
I haven't bought a printer for 8-10 years and I don't know how Epson and Hp are in terms of expense, cost, cartridge compatibility, etc... because in the same price range and with ink + WIFI do you know anything about these?
And between these and the Brother DCP-J525W that Faliqui mentions?
I want it for printing mostly in color (but not very frequently) and daily in b/n. Also occasionally I will scan something...
Thank you very much.
Best regards.
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I've been at home for 2 years with the most basic thing in history, an Epson SX100, and it works "well" for b/n, it's perfect, and for scanning in color, it leaves much to be desired with use. I use it very little and when I need it, even if the ink is full, it dries up or something. If you don't print frequently or it's for home use, get something that doesn't exceed 100€. Those Hp officjet, both the 4500 and the 8500, are pretty good and usually don't exceed 100€.
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Well, I was about to cancel the order and look for one with cheaper cartridges but I'll pass, you don't usually print many sheets at once but sometimes you do jobs for which the client can end up paying thousands of euros, so the least you can do is deliver a quality print. On some occasions, jobs have been taken to the printer and there are a few sheets of photo paper left over that can be put to good use.
I suppose we will save considerably compared to the previous one, the old HP cartridges get used up just by looking at them :rollani:
They saw the writing on the wall and got serious about inkjet printers, especially office ones. Because HP doesn't make cheap lasers like Samsung and you have to compete and their strong point is inkjet.
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There are budget lasers, but affordable color multifunction printers are few and only Samsung or maybe some Panasonic ones. -
I just saw that there are also 3,000 for the Samsung so they come out a bit cheaper, although they probably won't last as long. These Samsung ones, I don't know how they look at the yield per page, they seemed short to me even though I printed more, I think they are per blank page :lol:
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