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Hello everyone! First of all, I want to ask you, what happened to the forum? Since November, it wouldn't let me connect, the page was like "hacked" or something like that, it was very strange :S, but anyway, I'm glad to see that it's operational again
In that absence from the forum, I changed some parts of the PC, now it's the one in the signature, I changed the processor, motherboard and ram, I went from the E6600 with 2 cores to this AMD with 4 cores which works much better for gaming, I improved the ram to 8 gb ddr3 (before it was 6 gb ddr2) and the motherboard corresponding to the new AMD processor.
Well, to the point, now that I have updated the whole PC (except the hard drive, which won't be until the price drops) it's time for the monitor, and after much looking I'm almost decided for this one:
I'm looking for an IPS panel because, as I've seen, the logical evolution today is to switch to an IPS if you already have a TN for a long time. And this monitor seems to perform well in games:
And here's a review where they test everything, and in the response time with Overdrive it seems that it also performs well:
There's a detail that bothers me, bought directly from Dell it costs 341€, while in the rest of the stores where they sell it costs around 240€, it costs 100€ less than from Dell itself, what is this due to?
How do you see it? Do you think it's a good purchase? Or do you recommend other options?
Maximum budget those 240€
Thanks! Best regards!
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the DELL you put is 8ms a bit slow for gaming
look at this LG IPS231P 23" LED IPS is 5ms and it is cheaper and this LG IPS235V 23" LED IPS
or something similar
regards
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the DELL you put is 8ms a bit slow for gaming
look at this LG IPS231P 23" LED IPS it is 5ms and it is cheaper and this LG IPS235V 23" LED IPS
or something like that
regards
On this same page that I have put above:
It shows the comparison of the response time of the Dell with the LG that you mention, and despite the Dell having 8 ms and the LG 5ms, the LG does have ghosting while the Dell does not, since it has Overdrive.
It would be good if you looked at the links I have put above
Best regards!
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I've read quite a few reviews of that monitor where they mention ghosting... personally, I think that if it's for gaming, an IPS that isn't expensive isn't the best option, as they all have ghosting to a greater or lesser extent.
My advice would be to buy a 24" LED with 2ms that's reasonably decent (around €180 there are good options) and if you want an IPS for gaming, wait a while for the prices to drop
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On this same page that I posted above:
It shows the comparison of the response time of the Dell with the LG that you mentioned, and despite the Dell having 8 ms and the LG 5 ms, the LG does have ghosting while the Dell does not, since it has Overdrive.
It would be good if you looked at the links I posted above
Best regards!
For gaming, all IPS screens have ghosting, so buy one that is cheaper and that's it
If you're talking about quality for work, I prefer the DELL, but for gaming it's not worth itFor gaming something like this: BenQ RL2450HT 24" LED LED DVI/HDMI Gaming - 192 euros
Best regards
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So you're against buying an IPS? Is there such a big difference between an IPS panel and a TN in a game that makes the ghosting of an IPS worth it? (I'm not talking about response time, I'm talking about image quality) Or do the current LED TN monitors really have very good quality?
Do you recommend that Benq then?
Thanks! Goodbye!
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I've been playing with IPS for years and I still haven't found the famous ghosting :rollani: I must have very bad eyesight
I'm currently using a 2475w from HP that has an H-IPS 6ms gray to gray 12ms on/off, that is, I think it still hovers around 500€. -
@Krampak H-IPS 12ms real, with that you should not notice ghost you do not have bad eyesight what you have is a good monitor.
In this it does not necessarily have to be expensive you just have to look for the right one, IPS because why not. But that you go to notice the difference only in games I doubt it, in other things yes, but precisely in games it will not affect you the angle or the depth of color.
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I'll show you several models that I've found interesting, let me know what you think:
24" TN
Samsung Syncmaster S24A350H - LCD Monitor: Amazon.es: Electronics
23" IPS
Asus ML239H - LCD Monitor: Amazon.es: Electronics
The latter is apparently very good for gaming but has a brutal bleeding, does anyone have this monitor?
The idea is to buy it on Amazon, from what I've read they'll replace the monitor without questions and they won't charge you for the return shipping, has anyone bought from here?
Thanks! Best regards!
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Out of curiosity, what happened to the MVA panels?
Toda la actualidad en la portada de Hardlimit
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Well I've spent the whole afternoon watching videos and reviews, and I think the safest bet is this one:Asus ML239H - Monitor LCD: Amazon.es: Electrónica
I've seen videos on YouTube about the "bleeding" or the "glow" (I don't even know which term is correct anymore) of this monitor and I've started testing my own TN monitor for this "bleeding" and I have the same as that monitor and after 6 years it's the first time I see it (and that's because I was looking for it) so I guess it's not going to be something that affects me in the normal use of the monitor, I'll put some links to see what you think of the monitor:
Review: http://www.bestgamingmonitor.net/featured/asus-ml239h-review/
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_ml239h.htmVideos "glow":
In those videos you can see that when you look at the monitor in a normal position (sitting in front) the black looks black, there's no "glow", it's when you move it
And this video about using the monitor in games without ghosting:
How do you see it? Best regards!
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I've been playing with IPS for years and I still haven't found the famous ghosting :rollani: I must have very bad eyesight
Currently I'm using a 2475w from HP that has an H-IPS 6ms gray to gray 12ms on/off, that is, I think it still hovers around 500€.I've also never noticed even the slightest ghosting on my dell 3007wfp, but I have noticed it on more than one mediocre monitor with a TN panel
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What do you think about the ML239H?? Maybe I'll order it tonight so it arrives by Friday at the latest, depending on what you tell me.
Best regards!
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Finally I bought the Asus ML239H, I have received it this afternoon and I have been playing with it for a while, 0 defective pixels and the quality is very good, it looks like a quality product. It has some "bleeding" but it is not at all as exaggerated as they painted it, it is barely seen, for me it is not a problem. And in games, I have tried an FPS, the RAGE, 0 ghosting with the Overdirve at 40 out of 100, so if someone noticed ghosting at 40 it can still be raised more so I can say without any problem that it is an IPS GAMING MONITOR, I recommend it! Goodbye! -
Finally I bought the Asus ML239H, I received it this afternoon and I've been playing with it for a while, 0 defective pixels and the quality is very good, it looks like a quality product.
It has some "bleeding" but it's not as exaggerated as they painted it, it's barely visible, for me it's not a problem.
And in games, I've tried an FPS, RAGE, 0 ghosting with Overdrive at 40 out of 100, so if someone noticed ghosting at 40 you can still go up higher so I can say without any problem that it's an IPS GAMING MONITOR, I recommend it!
Best regards!
Now to enjoy it
Best regards!!
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Finally I bought the Asus ML239H, I received it this afternoon and I've been playing with it for a while, 0 defective pixels and the quality is very good, it looks like a quality product.
It has some "bleeding" but it's not as exaggerated as they painted it, it's barely visible, for me it's not a problem.
And in games, I've tried an FPS, RAGE, 0 ghosting with Overdrive at 40 out of 100, so if someone noticed ghosting at 40 you can still go up higher so I can say without any problem that it's an IPS GAMING MONITOR, I recommend it!
Best regards!
How nice it is that people, after asking and commenting about components, come back to give their impression about what they've bought. ;D
This way you also help other forum members in similar situations and enrich the forum.:)
Congratulations on your attitude and enjoy your new monitor a lot.Best regards
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Thanks!
I should mention that I did find one defective pixel on the entire panel, just one, that is only visible on a black background, it is very little or not visible at all, even so I mentioned it to Amazon where I bought it to see what they said, I told them that it only has 1 bright pixel on a black background (I previously read on Asus that they will change the monitor for just 1 bright pixel on a black background) and to find out if they will change it or if I have to talk to Asus.
In the response from Amazon they have already told me directly that on Monday I will receive another monitor like this and that I should return this one when the other arrives, all without shipping costs.
I was also asking in the post about Amazon and their sales and return policy, I also replied to myself, a 10 for Amazon, that for just 1 bright pixel they will change the monitor and without shipping costs.
Best regards!
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The return for defective pixels I think is set by the manufacturer rather than the store. I don't think they will replace a monitor for 1 pixel if the manufacturer only gives a warranty from 2 (just to say something), although perhaps I am wrong and they are very picky
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Hello again! Well, I'm afraid I have to correct my words from the previous message, here's what happened:Yesterday I received the other Asus monitor to replace the one with the faulty pixel, I turn it on and check that it doesn't have any faulty pixels, it doesn't, so far so good, the problem comes when I realize that this new unit has a brutal, exaggerated "bleeding", so much so that on a black background, the black looks green... which the previous one didn't do at all, some slightly purple black tone, but barely visible.
With this I realize that Asus has released a product with very poor quality control, that is, buying this model is an absolute lottery, if it's not one thing it's another, and getting everything right is almost impossible.
Therefore, I'm tired of this model and so many manufacturing defects, so I've talked to Amazon and this afternoon I've sent both monitors back, now I just have to wait for the refund.
I'll also tell you other impressions after returning to my 20" Samsung TN LCD monitor (from a 23" IPS LED):
The Asus looked much better than my Samsung, especially in games, but also because of course the Asus is 1920x1080 and my Samsung is 1680x1050, I think in this case it's the resolution and not the panel that makes the difference. I also want to mention that the Asus DID have "ghosting", now that I'm back to the 2ms TN I've noticed it a lot, IPS are still not for gaming.
From Asus to Samsung I noticed more striking and vibrant colors, and more contrast from the Asus compared to the Samsung, but in this case I think it's the LED lighting versus the conventional Samsung's that makes the difference, which makes for more contrast and more vibrant colors.
The viewing angles, without a doubt here the Asus made a big difference, there's no possible discussion about this.
With all this I want to come to the conclusion that, unless you're into photography and you're going to need optimal color precision (for printing, for example) IPS are not necessary for anything, especially for gaming users, TNs are still the ones that make the difference, especially for their speed, and I think it's also necessary to add that more precise colors (IPS) doesn't mean more beautiful and better, which is something that's always confused, I think that for beautiful and striking colors it's the LED lighting that makes a difference, not the type of panel.
Best regards!
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