Is it worth getting an i5 760s 2.53GHz 8MB LGA 1156???

[endermcx]

Well, let me tell you, I have a Q9300 2.5GHz with 4gb of ddr2 ram.

A friend gave me a 1156 motherboard, specifically a GA-P55-UD3L socket 1156, specifically this one: http://es.gigabyte.com/products/page/mb/ga-p55-ud3l_23

I'm thinking of getting an i5 760s 2.53GHz 8MB LGA 1156 that I could get for about 120 euros and a pack of rams 2x4gb ddr3 that would cost me about 45-50, totaling about 170 euros

and I would sell my computer, which at market price for the micro+motherboard+ram pack I think I could get about 100-120 euros.

what do you think? is it worth it? is there a difference in performance between one and the other? I know it would be investing 120 euros in a platform (1156) that is dead, hence my doubts.

regards

[Franziskaner]

hello
man between a 775 and an 1156 you will notice a difference (leaving aside the issue of memos, DDR2 to DDR3) but as you rightly say the only "lost" investment is the 120 of the micro. another thing is the use you want to give it, but I think that for 50 euros that you put from your pocket it's a bargain

[endermcx]

thanks for answering. there is a big difference then, even though both micros run at the same speed of 2.5ghz. i assumed that since it is a newer platform, but i wanted to confirm it, plus i would also gain 4gb of ram.

i use the pc for everything, browsing, office work, videos/movies, playing when i have time... i also have an ati 5850 and the truth is that the one i have runs battlefield 3 at 1080 and almost everything on ultra pretty well, but if i can improve substantially with minimal investment, then i would change...

by the way, are the 775 heatsink mounts the same as the 1156 ones? just to know if i would also have to buy a heatsink...

[endermcx]

the processor is this: http://www.ebay.es/itm/270914312438?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[Sylver]

The option you propose is not a bad one, but the truly advantageous thing would be to sell that card they gave you, sell your equipment as well and put a little more to get a mid-range Sandy (card + micro + memory) and that way the upgrade would be very profitable, you could take advantage of that 5850 and you would be left with a great computer.

Best regards

[endermcx]

it would also be another option to do what you say, the problem is that I have tried to sell the motherboard and there is no way, no one buys it... Therefore, changing everything would be very expensive for me, because it would be micro+ram+motherboard, that is, the fixed pack that does not go below 300... so it would cost me close to 200 euros to change, which is totally out of my budget, the idea is to spend 50-70 and no more...

[Sylver]

Man, you'll have the improvement by getting that i5, then you could repeat the trick by selling it and making the jump to a sandy.
Investing in 1156 you already know it's not the best option today, but you have to decide if you really need the change, if that Q9300 is too small for you, the use you will give it and above all be clear that sooner or later its cycle will end and you will have to renew it for one reason or another.
If finally the change only costs you 50€ and you think you need something better than the Q9300 to cover needs, go ahead, you have to be practical. But my recommendation is that you tie up all the loose ends, regarding the sale of the Q9300 and so on, so that the shot doesn't backfire and the project is left half-finished.
There will undoubtedly be an improvement when changing platforms.
Regards

[Nemo]

Well, honestly, if you can keep going with the Q9300, hold on until you can and then change under conditions.
If the change were to 1366 still, because it adds some improvements over 775. But regarding 1156 and more specifically of that processor without HT, I would stay like this.
You would gain some cache memory and speed, but it is so little change that it is not worth the 50€ or the management of selling the other components.
Let's say that if you want to change it's not bad.. but don't expect appreciable improvements.
Keep the board, in time you will have shovelfuls of 1156 processors at a better price and you will be able to build a secondary PC or HTPC with good performance with it.
Regards

[endermcx]

hello, I will respond to both of you.

In principle, based on the selling prices I have seen on ebay for the q9300 and the ram, I think the upgrade could come out to around 50-70 euros. As for whether it is necessary, the truth is that it is not a real necessity, I am fine with the one I have and so far I have not had any problems. It was to improve a little if it did not cost me much and also to have 8gb of ram instead of 4, of the 4 that I have, playing battlefield 3, I have seen that 3.5 or something like that are used, so there is not much left over...

Nemo, forgive my ignorance, what is HT in terms of performance, I suppose that only the i7s will have it, right? and that is the difference with the i5s. Well, maybe waiting is not a bad option, because the truth is that right now I can hardly see any 1156 for sale second hand...

[Nemo]

Indeed, the i7 8XX have 4 cores and 8 threads. In general, they have more performance than that 760 and it is greatly appreciated if you work with virtual machines or software that requires processing power.

If what you want is to increase the RAM capacity because your current motherboard limits you to play, that is another story and a necessary evil. In that aspect, it would be worth changing. But as I say, regarding that specific processor, no.

Best regards

[Bm4n]

Man, if you upgrade for 50€ what the hell, why not. On the HT it's more noticeable on processors with few cores, in a 4 it's not as much, and less in games or that kind of thing, globally it increases performance by 20% more or less.

[endermcx]

I did notice that about the threads, the i5 has 4 threads and the i7 has 8, but I didn't know they were that relevant for a 20% performance boost...

Well, upgrading to 8 threads does seem interesting to me, and if I also gained a bit more performance in the processor... well, that would be a win-win! I mean, my current motherboard only has two memory slots, so I can't go beyond 4GB.

Now, I'm considering that I'm afraid I would also have to change the heatsink, because the Aerocool Dominator I have is quite old and not compatible with 1156/1155...http://www.hard-h2o.com/review/disipadorescpu/aerocool-dominator.html

so I don't know, the whole thing won't be under 100 euros, even though both the RAM and the heatsink could be reused in the future...

[Sylver]

@endermcx:

I had noticed that thing about the threads, i5 4 threads and i7 8, but I didn't know they were so relevant for a 20% performance boost…

Well, switching to having 8 threads does seem interesting to me and if I also gained a little more performance in the processor... well, that would be a win-win! My current motherboard only has two memory slots, so I can't go beyond 4gb.

Now what I'm considering is that I'm afraid I would also have to change the heatsink, because the aerocool dominator I have is quite old and compatibility with 1156/1155 is not really an option...

http://www.hard-h2o.com/review/disipadorescpu/aerocool-dominator.html

so I don't know why the cost won't go below 100, although it's true that both the ram and the heatsink could be reusable in the future…

I wouldn't spend 100€ to be honest. It would be more convenient to save up, sell your current equipment later and build a good sandy or ivy directly. One way or the other, it will be noticeable in a substantial way, and the sandy according to my calculations still have to drop in price quite a bit.

Regards

[Bm4n]

We're talking about a 15-30% (according to intel) but in the best case scenario, for example in a game there will be no difference in performance and in general you won't notice it. HT what it does is virtualize another core to fill the spaces between the execution of a code executing a second, if we talk about 4-core processors that normally there is usually one free... well that increase in performance is not usually noticed frequently.

You will really have the increase in performance due to the change in architecture which is what really matters, the rest are extras. You can look in the benchs section to see what difference there is between a Yorkfield and a Lynnfield, for example in Linx there would be around 10%:
@Linx:

6-Fassou: CPU - i7 860@3,36GHZ - 41.8408 GFlops
7-Xrayboy: CPU-Q6600 @3,4GHz 37.0235 GFlops

[endermcx]

puff now I'm in even more of a dilemma:

I think I'm going to get involved in the issue, I've reached an agreement with a guy from a computer store and he's letting me have the i5 760 processor at 2.8 ghz for 125 euros delivered to my house, new, with invoice (warranty) and with the standard heatsink (I assume it will be rubbish but for now it will do at stock frequencies until I calmly find one at a good price that suits me)

125+ 39 for the memory that's on offer now on the app = 164 euros, I think that's pretty good...

minus what I could get for mine... the investment wouldn't go up by 60

[endermcx]

man if you increase the processor performance by 20%, go from 4gb to 8gb and from a crappy motherboard that I have now g41 to something a little better (even if it's not a marvel) can't it be worth it?

by the way how is the intel stock cooler? very noisy? I love silence, hehe

[Nemo]

But that 20% increase would be if you get the i7, with the i5 you stay the same. Where you do have an improvement is in the RAM.
The Intel heatsink, as always, is rubbish. It's not very noisy, but it doesn't dissipate much either. If you're not going to touch frequencies it will serve you for a while, but don't expect great temperatures.

Best regards

[endermcx]

are you seriously telling me that an i5 760 2.8 8mb cache and a q9300 2.5 4mb cache, are practically the same? wow what an evolution there was then? because the q9300 is not even a high-end within the quads of 775.

logically with the stock cooler I wouldn't touch frequencies, I would leave it as is until I have something better.

The guy at the store who is leaving it to me for 125 is rushing me at most that I say something this afternoon, or I keep it or he ignores me…

[Franziskaner]

with the change of platform you gain that you switch to DDR3 and if tomorrow you want to expand memory it will come out well priced (compare prices of DDR2 to DDR3) for the rest …. I personally would only do it for the least (but for tastes...... colors)

[Nemo]

I couldn't tell you exactly if they are in the same range or if the Q9300 would be slightly above (proportionally in their ranges, not between them)

It does have improvements, but they are more of a "platform" type rather than the processor itself, increased RAM limit, new SSE4.2 instructions, etc.. while in processor the most notable thing is the Turbo and the increase in cache, which never hurts…
Here you have the comparison.
I would say that being a bit lower it equals the Q9300 due to the slight improvements.

Anyway, what really bugs me is the S that accompanies the processor, normally this S is linked to processors with lower consumption than the same processor without S. That is, the i5 760 could consume 95 W while the 760S could be around 82W (all of this is speculation because officially I haven't found it)
As I say, you will gain in RAM capacity but the improvement in processor won't be earth-shattering.

P.D.: I would investigate more deeply the origin of that S and its compatibility with the board.

Best regards