About cars

[incrediboy]

@_PinKy_:

Thanks!!!

But in the end.. I had a car breakdown and I have to spend 1500€.

So the winning candidate is option 3.

Thanks for the votes ;D

out of curiosity… what did you break on the car?

[Sylver]

@incrediboy:

out of curiosity… what have you broken on the car?

Jejejejejejejejejejeje :ugly:

@_PinKy_:

I haven't broken anything, it's a manufacturing fault, and you have to deal with it with chips, it's the (electric) power steering that dies, and it has also taken the driver's airbag, my warning light is flashing.

The option is to drive without power steering or to fix it, and without power steering it's very hard to drive, it's very strange, I've driven cars without power steering, and it's not that hard.

It doesn't have to be the airbag that's gone (or maybe it is, but that's rare), it's a common trick that happens with modern cars (and therefore more electronic). To this day, I don't know a car from 2008 onwards that hasn't had problems with warning lights. In my family, we have an SUV from 2009 that is still under warranty and has been intermittently flashing the passenger airbag warning light since we bought it. They've "fixed" it under warranty four times, but the light keeps coming back.
I could tell you thousands of similar faults... engine warning light, anti-pollution filter warning light, fog light warning light, parking brake warning light, urgent technical service warning light, electrical problem warning light... Dozens of real cases that I've experienced, and in 90% of cases, all the cars were in perfect working order, all were modern cars, all very electronic. It's a major fiasco that cars are becoming more and more electronic, these things happen... right now, I'm reminded of a neighbor's Audi A3 that has had the engine warning light on for 4 years and has traveled all over Andalusia and part of the Valencia region and is still running smoothly... almost nothing <:(

(I won't say anything about the power steering, it's just broken and that's it, that's clearly physical damage, you don't need warning lights everywhere)

Best regards

[deeiivid]

@_PinKy_:

I haven't broken anything, it's a manufacturing fault, and you have to eat it with potatoes, it's the (electric) power steering that dies, apart from the fact that it has taken the driver's airbag, I skip the warning light.

The option is to go without power steering or to fix it, and without power steering it goes very hard, it's very strange, I've driven cars without P/S, it doesn't go that hard.

Well, that's clear, but if it came out for example in March, if I could wait it's nothing.., but you don't know if it's in April, May or June (Q2) 2013. But well as it's going to go by RL, the temperature won't be a problem, later on I'll be keen to do the MOD to the HIS.

But the thing is that you don't know "anything" about the micro. 4 loose things and little more, but about boards?? Nothing.. at least I haven't found anything, just an ECS that they say is not very different from the Z77.

That's because when the power steering doesn't work, you move the steering wheel and also the power steering motor. Mine broke down about 80km from home and you can't imagine… and for parking 3/4 of the same.

[_PinKy_]

@Sylver:

Jejejejejejejejejejeje :ugly:

It doesn't have to be that the airbag went off, (or maybe it did, but that's rare), it's a trick that usually happens with more modern cars (and therefore more electronic). To this day, I don't know a car from 2008 onwards that hasn't had problems with warning lights. In my family, we have an SUV from 2009 that is still under warranty and has been sporadically lighting up the passenger airbag warning light since we got it. They've "fixed" it four times under warranty but the little light keeps popping up.
I could tell you thousands of stories like this... engine warning light, anti-pollution filter, fog lights, handbrake, urgent technical service, electrical problem... Dozens of real cases that I've experienced, and in 90% of cases, all the cars were in perfect working condition, all were modern cars, all very electronic. It's a major fiasco that cars are becoming more and more electronic, these things happen... right now, an Audi A3 from a neighbor comes to mind that has been on for 4 years with the engine warning light on and has traveled all over Andalusia and part of the Valencian Community and is still running like a champ... almost nothing <:(

(I won't even mention the power steering, it's just broken and that's it, that's noticeable physical damage, no need for lights everywhere)

Regards

I don't know what you mean by physical damage, if you're saying that I caused it, it's not so, as I've been researching forums for my car model and I'm not the only one it's happened to, it's just that the "engine" is broken because it's of poor quality bla bla bla. There are quite a few cases like that.

Power steering failure fiat grande punto

They told me that the airbag isn't the cause of that, but a part inside it, it just broke, but what a joke.

My car is from 2008 and if I told you what I've spent on electrical repairs... that's what FIAT is like ;D also every 2x3, warning lights pop up, ESP, ASR.. etc usually disappear after a while, but the others that have come on is because something was wrong.

I'd take a look at the engine failure, I have a friend who said the same thing bahh!! nothing happens and after 2 years and a half, he had to "scrap" the car :ugly:

I know about breakdowns, you can read a lot on Forocoches and outside too, it's a shame.. my father's car supposedly has a faulty injector as it warns him, the car runs on pm :fumeta:

So many things...

@deeiivid:

That's because when the power steering doesn't work, you move the steering wheel and also the power steering motor. Mine broke about 80km from home and you wouldn't believe it... and for parking 3/4 the same thing.

I was saying, it's so damn hard :ugly:, I usually park it in neutral :fumeta: (thank goodness)

Regards!

[Mystique]

Just by saying the make of the car you've told me everything… Italians are far away.
They are very beautiful, but anything that goes beyond 2 cables is too much for them.

I recently sold a Stilo that we had and it's a chestnut, coils every 2x3, warning lights that fail, etc.
In the case of the airbag warning light for the passenger, the problem is clear, the connector that connects the seat sensor cable with the "rest of the car" fails a lot. The best thing is that you change it for a molex, for example. Also, in the same car, the rear lights failed to the point that the connector became loose, sparks jumped and the connector was damaged. Solution, change of connectors, cable soldered and it works better than the original.

[Sylver]

I didn't say that you broke it, just that as you could see, you don't need a witness to warn you that the power steering is bad, you check it with your own hands :ugly:

I already told you, the joy of electronic vehicles, and in all the cases I tell you there hasn't been any owner careless enough not to take it to the workshop... but after a repair or a simple "there's nothing wrong", they have continued to have the warning lights on and the cars have been running for years without problems... what a fun :D

Regards

[Tecnho]

@Mystique:

Just saying the make of the car has told me everything... Italians are far away.
They are very beautiful, but anything that goes beyond 2 wires is too much for them.

I recently sold a Stilo that we had and it's a chestnut, coils every 2x3, warning lights that fail, etc.
In the case of the airbag warning light for the passenger, the problem is clear, the connector that connects the seat sensor wire to the "rest of the car" fails a lot. The best thing is to change it for a molex, for example. Also, in the same car, the rear lights failed to the point that the connector became loose, sparks jumped and the connector was fried. Solution, change of connectors, cable soldered and it works better than the original.

Well I am a lover of Alfas, and I think that now at least the electrics work XD

[ferelxyx]

Italian cars are fast, stable and I can't even count the rest, the electronics and finishes are terrible and they always make noises somewhere
German cars are the most reliable and Japanese ones

I have a 1990 Ford Fiesta that I drove new and it was made in Germany and it still works
I only changed the clutch once, the rear brakes once and the front ones several times, including the discs, and once the exhaust
What broke several times were the electric windows due to wear and tear, I changed the one on my side three times and the one on the right once

The best thing nowadays is to buy a Dacia Sandero (Renault warranty) for 4700 euros new (with a 2000 euro discount for the old car)
It has the same engine as the Clio, it's the size of a GOLF and it works well, so what more do you want for that money

regards

[deeiivid]

I've been driving an A3 for 13 years, and the only repairs it's had have been my own… It's got 240,000 miles on it and it runs perfectly.
It's been passed down in the family and has never had any problems. I wouldn't change it if it weren't for things like this: New vehicles - SEAT León COPA | SEAT.es which makes you want one…

He's probably going to retire by September, but I'm telling you, if it weren't for the PIVE, I'd keep him much longer.
The electronics from the Italians have always been rubbish, but from what I've read, lately especially the Alfas have improved a lot. The Giulietta really does make you want one...

But, if you want reliability, there's nothing like the Japanese, and it just goes to show with their 7 year warranties.

PD: I just flipped out when I saw in the link NEW VEHICLES lol accent stuff xD

[Sylver]

Japanese and Germans are in charge, that's the way it is. For my taste, most of the Fords made in Germany are really tough cars, as well as the Opels. I have lived through the passage of a couple of Opels and a Ford through various parts of my family, and none of them went to the scrapyard, they just changed hands.
For me, a purely mechanical car from the 90s with four basic indicators, a/c and d/a is more practical than a modern one. It's another thing to talk about designs, aesthetics, consumption, performance... there are still gems from the 90s that give a lot of trouble, but for example in terms of safety there is no comparison... The best option in that aspect is necessarily a modern vehicle, which has undergone more tests and has been better studied with more advanced knowledge about occupant safety.

Regards

[ferelxyx]

I like the: FORD FOCUS ECOBOOST SPECIAL EDITION with PLAN PIVE for €13,900
it has a 1000 cc engine and 125 HP

but for now I can't buy it, otherwise I would, I would probably end up buying the Dacia Sandero
it's a decent and cheap car and it's more than enough for getting around

regards

[deeiivid]

@ferelxyx:

I personally like the: FORD FOCUS ECOBOOST SPECIAL EDITION with PLAN PIVE for €13,900
it has a 1000 cc engine and 125 HP

but for now I can't buy it, otherwise I would probably end up buying the Dacia Sandero
it's a decent and cheap car and it's more than enough for getting around

regards

The only thing I see is that the torque of the focus 1.0 is a bit poor. But it's pretty good to be honest.

At home we have never had "American" cars. Always German except for a Clio. My father drives 100,000 a year and he doesn't want anything other than German. The car that made him happiest was a Passat that reached 360,000 without major repairs.

[Bm4n]

I don't trust these small engines, 1.0, three-cylinder, etc. for a small or city car it's okay but you load it up for a trip and you go up a hill or on the highway and the car will suffer and consume much more than a larger engine, and I don't know when it will cost to change a turbo like that.

The funny thing is that then a good engine even if it has a higher displacement doesn't consume much more, I say this because my 1.6 vw diesel compared to a 2.2 honda for example doesn't have much difference in consumption and a lot of power. And on the contrary I have tried the 1460cc that renault mounts and although it's not much of a difference compared to a 1600 on the highway you can tell that it doesn't pull the same. In the city these cars do compensate, if I had to choose for the city I would probably go for a gasoline one, the multiair from fiat is pretty good.

But if you're doing miles I would go for a 1.6-1.8 diesel, and for long distances a 2.0.

Now if I were to choose an engine maybe today I would go for the honda 1.6 idtec with 120hp.

[deeiivid]

For the moderately long trips (150-200km) that I do every weekend, plus the return trip (total 300-400), I take my father's car, which is a c220 with a 2.2 and four cylinders, and the average consumption of the trip is 5.4L per 100km at a speed of 130-135 on the highway, much less than my Audi 7 i pico L (normal… they are 10 years old xD).

And on the road I take, there are some quite prolonged and strong ups and downs and with cars like the Prius (which he took on a leasing for the company and is already fed up) they become almost impossible and end up consuming 4.8L.
It is impossible to overtake with the Prius and the engine seems like it is going to explode from the noise it makes. For the city, it is a joy, but you leave it and you can give up at the first decent climb.

If you do a lot of road, you are always exposed to slopes. It is good to look at the engine torque, not just the horses or the consumption.

[ferelxyx]

European FORD and CHEVROLET are German and not American
and besides where did you see an American car that consumes 3.6 liters per 100Km
an American car with 3.6 liters does not even do 20 Km

what is clear is that until recently no one bothered to improve gasoline engines
because diesel was the fashion and more than 80% of sales, only HONDA had and has the best
gasoline engines and even so I buy diesel engines to be able to compete with the others
and then I manufacture them myself and anyway they are going to stop making diesel engines

The 1.7 diesel of the previous civic was isuzu, the 2.0 td of the other civic was rover,…
The first Honda integrated gasoline engine is the recent i-CTDI

regards

[Bm4n]

How? Honda is going to abandon diesel, just as it has just started! And they are the best.

[ferelxyx]

man the 2.2 i-ctdi from HONDA is considered the best in the world
it seems that they are going to stop manufacturing them because they only made it for the european market
the rest of the world uses gasoline and the japanese hate diesels

which by the way they are right, diesels are for big cars, off-road vehicles, vans, trucks and other
a car and more if it is a sports car with gasoline, it is clear

regards

[Bm4n]

Man forever gasoline but for those of us who spend a lot... We have to settle for diesel. And you see the 2.2 from Honda is almost like a gasoline, of course as the Japanese the car is just for show... But in the US I think they will gradually adopt more diesel.

Pd. And the 1.8 140hp from Honda is also amazing if it weren't for the price difference between diesel and gasoline... And that's atmospheric! :speechless:

[ferelxyx]

Most people really don't care about petrol because they don't drive many kilometers
and if you calculate what you drive, the consumption and the price of the car, most people are a bit stupid
EG: a petrol car costs 10,000 euros, the same diesel car costs 12,000/13,000 euros
if you drive 10,000Km a year or less, when you subtract the 2,000/3,000 euros difference in price
if diesel costs a little less than petrol and the difference in consumption is small

for most people, including myself, going to work, taking a walk, and other activities, a 1.4 petrol engine is more than enough

the problem in Europe has always been that diesel was better, that it consumes less, that that, that
it's all marketing and you eat it whether you want to or not, because others do it and manufacturers almost force you to

regards

[Bm4n]

In my case, I drive about 25,000km/year and the price difference between diesel and petrol was €1,000 in my car. Today, with a difference of about 10c per liter (before it was about 5c) and approximately calculating a difference in consumption of 1l/100 between the same diesel-petrol engine; I save €500 a year, that is, in two years it is amortized.

Obviously, it pays off or not depending on the km you drive and how long you want the car to last. Without a doubt, I would prefer to buy petrol, but when you spend a lot on oil, you have to think about the economy, although I completely agree that diesel is not a panacea and if you drive 10,000km/year, buy a petrol and enjoy it.

Of course, there are other factors, the resale value which, if I'm not mistaken, they said was higher in diesel, the difference in fuel price has increased, now there are more economical petrol engines with turbo, although the price difference has decreased between engines, and maintenance although it is not as it used to be, also the extra weight of the engine… In short, everyone should do their own calculations, basically those who drive a lot will spend diesel, those who don't won't need it.