Is a PC for gaming possible for 400€?

[Bm4n]

Don't worry, this is not a post asking for help, the thing is that while reading the newspaper I came across this article: Report How to build a low-cost PC | MeriStation.com You don't need to read it, it's not great either in content or in writing, but the thing is that at the end they come with some recommended equipment that by the way do not fit the objective of making a PC that competes in price with the consoles that will come out soon around 400€. But well the topic is there, is it possible?, let's take a look.

My proposal:

A dual-core Haswell with 8GB of RAM and a 7790 in an mATX with interior paint and power supply with active PFC, price of just over 400€ and it works correctly to play everything in medium details. Do you have another idea?, do you see a A10 as a good team to play?

[Tecnho]

Man comparing a 400€ PC to a new console, well, it may not perform as it should a PC, but if you spend 600 or 700 on the PC and the price of console games... well, that's when it evens out and the PC wins in the long run for sure.

[whoololon]

Well, for €400, it's not possible. Not even for €500.

To begin with, the Meristation report starts with a monumental trap from my point of view: making a platform assembled in series (and which is not a PC) compete with something that we have to assemble piece by piece, and which is a PC.
And it's not that I think the idea is bad, but it's just that, with the current market prices, it's not feasible for a user to assemble a PC "for gaming" (which directly implies a performance somewhat above average) with that budget and with new components.
We also lack a DVD drive, keyboard, and mouse, being generous and using our TV as a monitor.

The only way would be to do it the fuller way: assemble a team of the most basic, with everything integrated into the motherboard, half the RAM of the most humble brand... and tout it as "TOP GAMER 3000 NISU Computer" (NISU - damn it, I don't know what brand it is.)

And now we continue to cheat to make it seem like it works: we put in games from before 2004, and only those in which we managed to get 60 FPS by setting them to the maximum. After all, console games are designed specifically for their hardware. The extra frills that lower performance are excluded.

...maybe with a RaspPi, a monitor, keyboard, and a joystick you can set up a MAME and that is cheaper and serves to play... and besides, it falls within the category of PC. :troll:

[Bm4n]

Well, let's break it down.

It is possible to have power, you can see that a computer with a haswell and a 7790 is a very valid machine for gaming; even an A10 would suffice although I wouldn't call it a gaming PC, I'd call it a PC that you can play games on...

Now, comparing it face to face with a console like the PS4, it falls short for a simple reason: when it first came out, it was sold without a profit margin for Sony. This is possible because over time, games will pay it off, which doesn't happen on a PC. A separate issue is that games come very optimized to run sometimes even at constant 30fps without us noticing a lack of performance, which is also not usually possible on a PC, and besides, they have a longer life than any PC or graphics card.

But the point is, how to make a gaming PC at the price of a console, simply one that you can play at ~50FPS on medium settings for most current games.

[Kernel1.0]

Pregunta: ¿Con este PC vas a poder jugar con la misma calidad que con una consola?

[Bm4n]

@Kernel1.0:

Question: With this PC will you be able to play with the same quality as with a console?

It will depend on the game, if it's a PC>console port you can, if it's console>PC I doubt it.

In terms of power according to rumors:
Xbox similar to a 7790
PS4 perhaps a 7850

You can build those graphics in a PC for 400-500€, yes. Is it the same?, no, the features are specific to consoles.

With their advantages and disadvantages, both the PC and the console, are different devices. We can open a PC vs Console branch, but the topic is whether Is a PC for gaming for 400€ possible? and to what level.

Of the rest we already know that consoles are not technically exploited at the beginning, but then they have more life. Also as I said that sometimes you can take advantage of the fact that at the beginning they have a 0 profit margin, but then they fall further behind. The games are better optimized but you can't modify any parameter. And on the PC you can configure to your liking, expand, it's good for more things although it's a bit more expensive and it's not as well optimized nor as comfortable and it usually becomes outdated sooner.

[cobito]

I think it's an interesting branch.

The way to reach an absolutely objective conclusion from a technical point of view would be to have results from test benches executed on the different consoles and PCs. For example, the average FPS in the execution of a specific demo.

Otherwise, one can only speculate. The PC that Bm4n has assembled for me is perfectly valid for gaming, but do you get the same results?

On the other hand, if you want to make a true console vs PC comparison, to the price you would have to add the price of a controller or the number of controllers and accessories that current consoles include.

Regardless of whether or not one wants to make a console-PC comparison, all of this is a somewhat subjective matter in general. For me, the company's PC#1 is perfectly valid for gaming, but I'm not a big gamer. Someone more sensitive than me could never play with my PC. In the same way, the proposed PC (or any other for about 400€) could satisfy the gaming needs of some users but not others.

As I have already said, here it would be indispensable to use test benches for a comparison and minimum fps limits and graphic quality acceptable by the majority for an answer.

[whoololon]

I wasn't going to, not at all, because of the versatility of a PC versus the dedication of a console.
I was simply pointing out the fact that consoles are complete systems that are manufactured/assembled in series, and therefore their prices, when comparing performance, come out ahead compared to a non-clone PC.

In my opinion, the fact that consoles have been mixed in here has distorted the issue, which is already fascinating in itself, since such a simple question needs an answer with a lot of nuances.

To sum it up to the point of ridicule and strictly adhering to your question: Is it possible to have a gaming PC for 400€? the answer is yes.

But of course, both the question and the answer have a catch. It would be "a PC that you can play with…" ;D

[Bm4n]

@__cobito__, that's true about the controller or keyboard issue... I haven't put any because the truth is that you can spend from 15€ to 150 or more if we put a good wireless controller or webcam. But anyway, just with the hardware I would put something like that together. What would you guys put?

@__whoololon__, there's the issue supposedly it can be done, but how and how much it performs... I didn't even look at AMD because I think there's no option.

PD. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6837/amd-radeon-7790-review-feat-sapphire-the-first-desktop-sea-islands/ One of the many reviews of the 7790, you can see that at 1080 it defends itself pretty well, it performs like my 560ti...

[Sylver]

I think it's feasible, even with a previous generation processor and a couple of cheap graphics cards, you already have a beast to play decently on everything, and if not, keep an eye on the configurations that are still seen by the brands. The limitation already lies in time, that is, for the immediate future, in the medium term, new games begin to double their recommended requirements, and if you build a team that is very tight in terms of performance, it is possible that it will not fulfill its function beyond a year. For me, this is the main problem. As for the question of the thread, the answer is YES, it is possible.

Greetings

[garfield]

I like the ones that come with AMD consoles

Here we do crossfire, although I agree that for very demanding games it goes just right. But you can play. I also don't understand how on a PC the game asks for more than on a console, being now the same graphics and processor as a PC, and what we should see is the quality at which the games are set, and if a PC can't run them it's because of lack of optimization. There's no other way.

I remember PCs that were assembled by Oki, trying to do the same thing they were 100€ more, in a team of 600€.

[Bm4n]

They said that APUs only did well with "dual graphics" with certain models, the A10 I think went with a 6650 and the results were not great; but I found very little info. I don't know how the A6 will be for gaming, or vs. an FX6 although this one is already skyrocketing in price. I think it's almost time for AMD's new APUs to come out, let's see how they turn out.

[garfield]

Well yes, I've looked it up and it's only with some very basic ones. What a strange thing they've done. Let's see how they fix it for the next processors, or if they fix it.

[ferelxyx]

The processor you put in Garfield can only do crossfire with the 6000 series, not with the 7000 series
AMD A6-5400K at 3.6GHz (CPU+GPU) - Integrated Video Radeon HD 7540D GPU, 32nm, Dual Core, 1MB L2 Cache, Socket FM2.
you have to put one from the 6000 series for a 7000 series graphics card

in tests done with modern games it gives 60 frames on average
and with that memory you can improve it a little more, it would be an acceptable PC for gaming

regards

[Obione]

I nailed it on the first try, if they don't change the prices tomorrow morning, it's 400 nails with the assembly :ugly: http://xtremmedia.com/?q=cconfig/view#A007068,A020143,A011938,A001845,A012139,A001240,A014283,A011964

[Tecnho]

Obione XD, the issue is to be as close as possible in price and components to the latest consoles, which by the way have 8gb of ram.

[Kernel1.0]

The truth is that to play console-like games at 1080 and more than 30 frames per second, you can do it with 400 euros.
I don't know who commented about the monitor for the PC setup, a console also comes without a screen. If you buy a monitor or a television, you don't save money.

[Fassou]

@Kernel1.0:

The truth is that to play console-like games at 1080 and more than 30 frames per second, you can do it with 400 euros.

Completely agree :sisi:

Salu2!

[Obione]

@Tecnho:

Obione XD, the issue is to be as close as possible in price and components to the latest consoles, which by the way have 8gb of ram.

That 8 gigas not even 4 quarters, you'll see how a luxury game like BF3 on maps of 64 players with 4GB :fuckyea:

Editing: Fuck, 400,20€ :ugly:

[Tecnho]

XD of course, but the thing is that it should be similar in hard to the new consoles that experiment, although I also tell you that the consoles have blue ray, and god save me from being a lover of them but for the price right now they are worth it, although the profit is in the games and accessories it is clear.
I have a ps4 on reserve you can beat me and impale me:alone: