Overclock an AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition
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Welcome to the forum
The problem with your power supply was the quality, now you have bought a better one but, you could have bought an even better one with less power, your system does not exceed 300W as standard.
Now you have 430W on each of the 2 lines 12V with a combined total of 780, that gives you enough to run 2 graphics cards but, if you are going to spend between 300 and 600€ on graphics cards it is better to have a power supply over 100€, not 50 or 60. For next time I recommend between 500 and 600W, 800 for Crossfire/SLI. If you are going for 2 graphics cards I would also recommend not buying power supplies with rails, it is better to have all the power for all components than 2 lines because you would consume much more in the GPU.
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If it does not have a cable for monitoring and its own software (only top ranges), do not trust the voltage measurements. A while ago we opened a thread to look at our voltages with a multimeter, it is the only reliable way to measure.
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Welcome to the forum
The problem with your power supply was the quality, now you've bought a better one but, you could have bought an even better one with less power, your system doesn't exceed 300W as standard.
Now you have 430W on each of the 2 lines 12V with a combined total of 780, that's enough to run 2 graphics cards but, if you're going to spend between 300 and 600€ on graphics cards it's better to have a power supply over 100€, not one of 50 or 60. For next time I recommend between 500 and 600W, 800 for Crossfire/SLI. If you're going for 2 graphics cards I would also recommend not buying power supplies with rails, it's better to have all the power for all the components than 2 lines because you would consume a lot more in the GPU.
Thanks for the info but one thing, my graphics card says it requires 500w with 100w supposedly left over from my old power supply (600w) is that enough to power the rest of the PC? motherboard, processor, 5 fans, etc.
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They tell you this to cover all bases, it's a vague recommendation. A cheap power supply usually has less power in 12v, which is what moves the CPU and GPU, which consume the most. Also, if you leave it with little margin it suffers more. A good power supply doesn't need as much margin and comes with all the power of its 12v rating.Editing:
Your micro and your power supply will consume about 150W and when gaming, the 2 components are not at 100% at the same time, the consumption of the rest of the components is very low. As I said, you won't exceed 300W as standard, if you exceed it with OC it will be by little, you move that with 400W of quality in 12V.
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Damn man, if I had known this before, I wouldn't have bought so much power supply :S, I was complaining about my old power supply
because I thought it didn't have enough power and I bought this one xD
well, I could have bought a 750w one for the same price and also have the bronze seal
which apparently means that if they have those seals they are of better quality …
However, do you think this power supply is bad? I also bought it because of the good reviews it had..and about the overclock, in the end I didn't do that overclock because it was in automatic OC even though I changed all the parameters, now I reset the bios, and I only increased the multiplier to x20 and the voltage to 1.45v
in short, I'm now running at 4ghz, 30º at idle, 40º while playing..
There are no crashes so far, although I'm not singing victory yet because with Windows 8.1 there are several complaints about OC issues... -
One more question so as not to open a double post
I decided to OC my graphics card:
GIGABYTE HD 7870 2gb DDR5
better I leave you this video I listened to this guy and did the same OC tell me if you think it's good please
GPU CORE (stock): 1100 Mhz
GPU CORE (OC): 1180 Mhz
Memory Clock (stock): 1200 mhz
Memory Clock (OC): 1450 mhz
Thanks for everything!
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OC is better than you fine-tune for your hardware, download GPU-Z and see that no temperature rises above 80º. I wouldn't give more strain to the memory, you could even lower it by 50MHz, in the core it might give you 50MHz more, I already told you that it depends on how your card came out and the design of the cooling which in your case is pretty good.
Look at some OC guide for AM3, it would be good to scratch the NB a little, with HT you must respect the frequency, 200x10 by default. If you increase the base clock you will gain a little more than pulling the CPU multi, as all frequencies increase you will have to control the rest of the parameters, in memory first you plug in a multiplier with margin depending on the RAM specifications, when you have the micro tuned you can deal with them. You can put for example 250 base clock, x8 for HT and x16 for CPU, if you get a good micro and with a good board you could put it at 2600 for example but well, from 2200 it's already good, a multi of 9 for example, also watch the temperatures. If you want something more relaxed (your board is not that great either) you can work with 220-225 x9 in HT, x10 in NB, x17 or x18 for CPU and for memory, as I said, it depends on what you have, don't get too carried away with them, it's more important to scratch frequencies on the micro.
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The ideal is that you fine-tune parameter by parameter seeing the voltage it needs and the temperatures it reaches, download AIDA and OCCT for example. If you don't want to get too carried away it's fine to start with a starting point OCing everything but RAM, the parameters I gave you at the end are already good, you're not going to do miracles scratching to the top.
Read a lot and try to understand it, come with specific doubts and we will help you out.
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I increased the video's graphics and looked at the game, which is what I'm interested in, but it didn't increase any fps 0
However, the processor increased between 10 and 20 fps. Did you see the first overclock I mentioned above? What do you think about it? I'm very clumsy, my rams are 1333 mhz kingston DDR3
If the first overclock above is okay, I'll do it manually, it's on auto, but I changed the parameters myself.. since they were much higher, anything I can squeeze out of my processor is fine, don't worry about temperatures, it's well cool, it doesn't go over 40º with this OC on the cpu
and the graphics doesn't go over 30º..
Well, I won't touch the graphics because with 2gb I don't think I'll notice any improvement if I overclock it, if so, I would definitely do it, I'm interested in pushing the processor to its limit, Tell me if the one above is okay or tell me if it's possible to give me some parameters, I'll stress test it and tell you if it crashes, I need a base for overclocking to keep trying, tell me the parameters, I'll put them in and we'll keep testing, I really do learn quickly for these things but I don't stay at the beginning.
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I'm afraid Juan, I've told you what I had to say, there you have the important parameters, don't mess with voltages for the moment, just with the CPU (try to lower it by the way), now it's up to you to read and understand so as not to mess it up :ugly:
The graphics also help to play, the OC from the Catalyst Control Center (OverDrive section) is simpler than the mechanism of a pitcher but, look at the monitoring of GPU-Z, there are not only cores, perhaps you have sensors in memories and voltage regulators for GPU and you should also have a sensor of the North Bridge, that's why I told you to download AIDA and OCCT, the latter will come in handy for testing.
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Vale obione mira :
http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/03/07/140307041400546847.jpg
CPU Frequenzy : 200 mhz ( No se ve bien por el flash )
No me arrancaba el pc …
baje el multiplicador y seguia sin arrancar
baje el NB a 2400 y arranco windows..http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/03/07/140307043704386064.jpg
Aqui esta encendido con el asrock utility…
Otra duda mira esto :
http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2014/03/07/140307041445562211.jpg
Esto quiere decir que mis memorias ram estan trabajando a 800mhz???
mire las opciones y esta en auto, si lo pongo manual puedo ponerlo a 800, 1333, y 1666 no quise tocar antes de preguntarte..
mis memorias son de 1333mhzVoy a estresar esto y te digo algo
[EDITO] cuando tenia windows 7 ahora tengo windows 8.1
el pc arrancaba con esto :4080 mhz
Cpu frequenzy 240 mhz
voltaje 1.45v
NB 2640
cpu np voltaje 1.25v
ht bus speed 2150mhz
y arrancaba sin problemas porque ahora con menos oc no arranca?Me tiro error a los 2 minutos el prime en 2 nucleos
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nothing man I can't get it stable on the prime65 at the 3 test one or 2 cores stop working for me…
if I only increase the multiplier and the voltage is stable at 4ghz it doesn't give me an error in any core
I don't understand how before I had the overclock that I told you before in Windows 7 and it didn't fail after 4 hours of prime... no errors and here after 2 minutes it throws an error in 2 cores :S
if I touch the NB or the HT it throws an error in the prime if I put the NB to 2600 it blue screens and doesn't start Windows in Windows 7 it did start and didn't give errors.. why does the HT on the board show 2500 and on the pc 2000? and about the ram should I set it to 1333? -
Stability with OC is not a matter of the Operating System, something must have changed in the BIOS settings or it must be broken.
Indeed, 800MHz :ugly: If you look closely, they are all school multiplications with base clock. At stock (200MHz) the memory multiplier is 4. If you raise the base clock to 220-225 you will have the memories over 900MHz, if they could hold around 1500MHz even with a little voltage you could set them to "1333" (multiplier of 6.665).
Anyway, as I have already told you, the memories are the last thing, and I will add that being a modest board you could be satisfied with 225 x 17 CPU, x9 HT, x10 NB. Although the processor temperatures are good, a cheap board suffers more with the increase in consumption, in any case, make sure it does not exceed 60º in stress tests. The NB is a matter of looking at temperatures and in BIOS it does not show up. You will have to monitor via software, I suppose it will have a sensor… If you want to push it up to 2400 you may need a little voltage, if you can't monitor temps don't go beyond 2200. I can't tell you more, you have it in white and in bottle. It's more a matter of reading and understanding than of hanging up photos.
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I have done the OC exactly as you told me and I finally managed to pass the 3rd test, I am now on the 8th without errors, about 20 minutes, I will leave it on for another hour or so, I think that will be enough,
I don't think it will make much difference if I increase the NB a little more, right?
for now I will leave it like this, and I apologize for being so annoying with that barrage of questions, but I am eager to learn, I have been watching a couple of tutorials and other things to understand about the NB, HT, etc.. I have more or less got something clear, I will keep investigating, you are right about the motherboard, I plan to change the motherboard soon and go for an 8-core Fx, I will buy it as soon as I can,
I promise you that the overclock that I told you about in Windows 7 had no problems, I did it exactly the same here and it is impossible for me, at the 2nd test of prime, about 2-3 minutes, it throws an error on some core and it stops… maybe something got damaged.. the day the power supply melted, maybe it took something out with it..
anyway, thank you very much for your help, your patience and your understanding
I will leave the graphics with this OC:
GPU CORE ( stock ) : 1100 Mhz
GPU CORE ( OC ) : 1180 Mhz
Memory Clock ( stock ) :1200 mhz
Memory Clock ( OC ) : 1450 mhz
and off to fly!
35 minutes of stress and error on core 4, I have increased the voltage from 1.100v of the NB to 1.2500V, testing stress again -
FIN I didn't touch it for 1 hour 20 minutes of prime 0 errors I think I've stressed it enough
in the end the parameters you told me were exactly right I just had to raise the nb voltage to 1.25v
and no more error on any core
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Hello!!
In case anyone was following this post, and has the same processor, this is how mine ended up
after tests and more tests...CPU ratio : 16.5 ( 3953.93 mhz )
HT Bus speed : 2155.65 mhz
CPU frequenzy : 240mhz
NB speed : 2634.68 mhz
NB voltage : 1.250v
CPU Voltaje : 1.45v
30 º / 50 Full cargue TempI set the ram to 1000 and something, I can't remember exactly now...
my ram is 1333mhz, I'm not sure if the latency is good or not, I didn't do well setting the ram there, I should have raised it more... here's the picture, if you recommend raising or lowering the ram, please let me know or if the latency is wrongGreetings to all
