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      In a month I'm going to buy some SSDs at PCC to set up a RAID0. The thing is that my motherboard is already quite old and only has SATA 2 ports. I've seen that getting two 1TB SSDs each comes out to the same price as getting four 500GB SSDs each, but I don't know if SATA 2 will be a limiting factor.

      What I'm interested in is obvious, that both Windows and programs and games start as quickly as possible, but I don't know if I'll notice a difference between 2 SSDs of 1TB each, or 4 SSDs of 500GB each... what do you recommend? Both systems are at the same price.

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        Excuse me, but are you going to buy 4 SSD drives just for that? A single SSD will already be limited by SATA 2, so don't even get me started on more than one drive.

        I think you're confusing Sata hard drives with SSDs. Solid-state drives are faster, but more expensive and with less capacity. I doubt you're talking about buying 4 500 Gigas hard drives in SSD format because today it would cost you more than 1,100-1,200 Euros since a 480-500 Gigas SSD is around 300 €.

        If you need speed, you can buy an SSD and a card, which exist, to put SATA 3 on your PC even if it's old. People have an SSD for the operating system, programs and some games; and then a Sata drive of 1-2 Teras for data, movies, music, back-up... A 120-240 Gigas drive usually has enough for most people.

        Today there are good 240-250 Gigas drives that aren't too expensive: Crucial CT240M500SSD1 - Internal hard drive of 240 GB (SATA, 2.5"): Crucial: Amazon.es: Computing

        Another more expensive option is a PCI Express slot Hard Drive: Asus RAIDR Express SSD 240GB PCI 90MB0G60-M0EAY0 Hard Drive SSD

        They are much more expensive than normal SSDs but faster. Anyway, unless you give your PC a professional use, a normal SSD + a card for SATA 3 ports will be enough.

        If what you want is to mount 2 SATA drives in Raid, SATA 2 won't limit you as much, since even in RAID you don't reach SSD speeds. But with SSDs at around 95-120 € for 240-250 Gigas, few people are already mounting Sata drives in Raid to be honest.

        If you really want to mount 4 solid-state SSD drives... I would say think about what you're going to do with such a monstrosity. Few people mount RAID with SSDs, some but it's not so normal, and that with 2 drives. With more, I don't know anyone.

        You'll let us know.

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          My idea is to put 4 of these in RAID0:

          216€ x 4 = 864€

          or two of these: Samsung 840 Evo SSD Series 1TB SATA3 MZ-7TE1T0BW Hard Drive SSD

          395€ x 2 = 790€

          As I see that the prices have been updated to the downside compared to the last time I looked, it is almost certain that I will opt for the two SSDs of 1TB each. I agree with what you say, that even with one I would have more than enough speed for normal PC use, but my intention is to stretch my PC as much as possible until I can no longer run any game at 30 fps, no matter what changes. I like to give myself the luxury, and take care of things so that they last as long as possible, it is also true that platform changes overwhelm me a lot. Now, this consultation came about because I wanted to make sure that I am not complicating my life unnecessarily with 4 SSDs if I am going to get the same result with two.

          Adding a card to the PCIe with Sata 3 ports was something I considered at the time, and people who have had these cards completely discouraged me from it.

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            @Highlander:

            My idea is to put 4 of these in RAID0:

            216€ x 4 = 864€

            or two of these: Samsung 840 Evo SSD Series 1TB SATA3 MZ-7TE1T0BW Hard Drive SSD

            395€ x 2 = 790€

            As I see that the prices have been updated to the downside compared to the last time I looked, it is almost certain that I will opt for the two SSDs of 1TB each. I agree with what you say, that even with one I would have more than enough speed for normal PC use, but my intention is to stretch my PC as much as possible until I can no longer run any game at 30 fps, no matter what changes. I like to give myself the treat, and take care of things so that they last as long as possible, it is also true that platform changes overwhelm me a lot. Now, this consultation came about because I wanted to make sure that I am not complicating my life unnecessarily with 4 SSDs if I am going to get the same result with two.

            Adding a card to the PCIe with Sata 3 ports was something I considered at the time, and people who have had these cards completely discouraged me from it.

            hola
            in summary, you're blowing it :troll::troll:
            sorry for being so direct ;D
            from the forum I think I read a comparison of different RAIDs 0 and from three to two or from four to two the gain is …. misery for the investment.
            mount a maximum of two SDDs and always mount a backup disk, because if one of the disks fails... goodbye to everything.
            saludos

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              The transfer rate of the disk drives should not be more important than the performance of the rest of the motherboard components (GPU, CPU and RAM). And if on top of that it comes out for more than 800 €, it is only forgiven if, as you have mentioned, it is "to indulge yourself".
              To put an easy analogy to understand, it is like spending on modifying a Seat 600 what a new Ibiza would cost, so that in the end it performs the same as a Seat 124.

              But in the end, it is your money.

              ...me lo dicen las voces...

              hlbm signature

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              • amd125A Desconectado
                amd125 Veteranos HL @Highlander
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                @Highlander:

                My idea is to put 4 of these in RAID0:

                216€ x 4 = 864€

                or two of these: Samsung 840 Evo SSD Series 1TB SATA3 MZ-7TE1T0BW Hard Drive SSD

                395€ x 2 = 790€

                As I see that the prices have been updated to the downside compared to the last time I looked, it is almost certain that I will opt for the two SSDs of 1TB each. I agree with what you say, that even with one I would have more than enough speed for normal PC use, but my intention is to stretch my PC as much as possible until I can no longer run any game at 30 fps no matter what changes. I like to give myself the luxury, and take care of things so that they last as long as possible, it is also true that changes of platform overwhelm me a lot. Now, this consultation came about because I wanted to make sure that I am not complicating my life unnecessarily with 4 SSDs if I am going to get the same result with two.

                Adding a card to the PCIe with Sata 3 ports was something I considered at the time, and people who have had these cards completely discouraged me from it.

                It is true that some SATA 3 cards are problematic and the gain is low with some, but not all.

                Making a RAID with SATA 2 does not make sense. Even with SATA 3 the change will not be substantial. If you have the money, then buy a large SSD, not more. You will not be able to exceed the 300MB/s which is the limit of SATA 2. You can already use 2 disks or 4, this is what there is. Any current computer with a single SSD using SATA 3 will outshine your computer even with a RAID.

                If it were up to me to give you a luxury, then I would buy the PCI EXpress drive I told you about, and set up another larger SSD for data, and for back up, but it seems pointless to me. An SSD can exceed 500 MB/s in SATA 3; the PCI EXPRESS drive exceeds 800MB/s. and it does not need SATA 3. Even if you make a RAID with SSDs and even with SATA 3… you will not exceed 600MB/s using SATA 3 or 300MB/s with your current platform.

                I invite you to consult other forums. I doubt that anyone will encourage you to do what you want, not just because of the large investment, also because the RAID on your platform will not give you more performance than a single disk.

                And I will finish, RAID with mechanical disks DID make sense before. with SSDs the gain is much lower and it is usually not worth it. SATA 3 has become too small for SSDs, not so for mechanical disks.

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                  Obione Veteranos HL @amd125
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                  Man, I'm not a big fan of setting up RAID with SSDs, but with ICH10R for example, you get SATA 3.

                  I would get a 256GB M550, but I don't think a RAID 0 of M500 120GB is unreasonable either, on amazon you have a pair for just under 120€. The 256GB M550 is just under 140€.

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                    Well, in the end I decided to listen to you and not complicate my life, I ordered the Samsung 1 terabyte. I will make raid when DDR4 is completely mature and I finally change my platform. Thanks for the comments.

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                      I think you have done well, in fact I think that with less capacity you would be overdoing it, but it is a whim as you have rightly said. Enjoy it.

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