[Plan Renove] I moved to Skylake

[Mind_Hunter]

Muuuuuuy buenas a todos!! Qué tal estáis??
Hacía mil años que no escribía por aquí, aunque os sigo de vez en cuando! Me trae tan buenos recuerdos leer este foro!

He vuelto para pediros vuestra opinión acerca de una configuración Procesador + Placa base + RAM que tengo pensada, para despedir a mi vetusto q6600 g0 pata negra que tan buenos momentos me ha dado.

En un principio había pensado en lo siguiente:

• i5 6600k (250€)
• MSI z170A Krait gaming (150€)
• 16gb DDR4 2600 (111€)

Iría acompañado de una gtx660, el ssd etc.

Mi duda es.. Qué tal lo veis? He mirado directamente los nuevos skylake para poder aprovechar la ddr4 el máximo tiempo posible, ya que posiblemente en un tiempo me pillaré otros 16gb de RAM, ya que el Photoscan tira muchísimo de RAM.
Que uso le voy a dar? AutoCAD, Photoscan, Illustrator, Blender y gaming (Witcher 3, Battlefield 4, el próximo Fallout 4 etc…).
He estado pensando en pillar un i5 4690k, pero por la diferencia de precio me voy a por los Skylake con DDR4 y así hacer que dure más la máquina.

Agradezco muchísimo vuestros comentarios!
Un saludote!!

[Fassou]

Mind_Hunter is back!

And now to the point.

As you have already perfectly reasoned your choice of platform (you have good instincts ), I just want to say that MSI has many interesting things for the Gamer (the killer card, discounts for buying a motherboard + graphics card in several places), but since you have the ASRock Extreme4 for 165€, a mini point for ASRock.

Cheers!

[whoololon]

If what you are looking for is an investment, it makes sense to choose an 1151 system, although it is not cheap.
You can change that i5 for an i7 with hyperthreading (more suitable for your work) and if you choose 16 GB modules instead of 8 GB ones, we will end up with a 64 GB machine that will polish the infographic processes in a jiffy. With a good cooling system, air or water, we will have a machine for a while.

Regarding the motherboard, I personally avoid the "Gaming" labels, let's call it a mania.
The Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3P or the Asrock Z170 Pro4 I think would be better.
Regarding the graphics card, if you already have it, perfect, if you are thinking of changing it, I would wait for the next batch.

Oh, and thanks for dropping by again.

[Espinetenbolas]

The only advantage of the **1151** is the possibility of putting up to **64Gb** without going for a **2011-3**… being DDR4 at this time does not contribute much and increases the price of the platform.

In any case we will see in less than a year the **Skylake Refresh** and the cheaper DDR4 so now you can get what suits you best without problems and you will resell memos and CPU when Intel has polished the 14m.

Well there is no substantial difference between an **4790K** and a **6700K** nor between a **4690k** and a **6600K**… even practicing OC.

**Intel Core i5 6600K vs 4690K**

Intel Core i7 6700K vs 4790K**

In fact the 4790K benefits from having lower latency with DDR3 and there are points where it goes better… While there are other aspects in which the 6700K can stand out... for example in the power of the integrated graphics.

As I say until Intel improves the manufacturing process in 14nm and releases the **Skylake Refresh** and the DDR4 has more speed with better latencies the 1151 platform of the moment is only more expensive and allows more RAM.

[Mind_Hunter]

Hello everyone!!
As always, thank you for your advice and responses!
Espinete! How's everything? How long has it been!!

I agree with you, that the 6600k is not worth much compared to the 4690k, but costing only 20€ more… I would definitely take the risk, especially for the DDR4 support.
I ruled out the 2011-3 socket from the beginning for the following reason... I planned to spend around 500€, and on that platform the cheapest processor is almost 400€, so I ruled it out.

Fassou! Blessed are the eyes! How good to see "faces" around here again!
I've been looking at the Asrock you mentioned, and yes, it's great, but the problem is that it doesn't have an old PCI port, and I need at least one to plug in my x-fi...

So, I think in the end I'll do the following:

• i5 6600k
• Msi z170A Krait Gaming

And now, for a change, another question... Which DDR4 memory kit would you go for?

-2x8 Gskill Trident Z 2800 CL 15 --> 139€

• 2x8 Gskill Ripjaws 2800 CL15 --> 129€
• 2x8 Kingston HiperX Savage 2800 CL14 --> 149€

And as for the cooler I'm between these two... Which one do you recommend?

• Cryorig H5 Ultimate
• Noctua NH-U12S (this one is socket 1150, but I understand it's 100% compatible with 1151, right?)

Again, thanks in advance for your advice!
Best regards and see you soon!

[Espinetenbolas]

• i5 6600k -> Correct, you have to stick to the budget
• Msi z170A Krait Gaming -> I don't like it and like whoololon I run away from the Gaming label
• Memos**-> The ones you can afford and have the highest speed and lowest latency… of those three the Kingston.**
• Cryorig H5 Ultimate -> Don't even think about it.

As for the old PCI… a year ago I sold the X-Fi when I bought the 4790K because the Asrock didn't come with PCI-E... nor did she or any high-end 1150 motherboard... it has been the best thing that has happened to me because between the drivers, the problems with Flash and the card stopping being detected depending on how you hit it... I am more than delighted with the integrated one that has nothing to envy (at least the isolation of the Asrock [PURITY SOUND] is perfect and there is no CPU noise or anything) since much of what the X-Fi supports is obsolete acceleration technology in games (I also say that I don't play anything :troll:)… it is better to get a dedicated one by PCI-E or leave the integrated one than to keep the X-Fi.

As for the motherboard, in that price range for me the Asrock Z170 Extreme4 is the best option for having 10 phases (VS. 6 of the MSI) and also having a big passive heatsink on the chipset… then there is the issue of the ATX mounting that I don't see in the MSI of putting only 6 screws and leaving so much piece of board in the air even if it is smaller... not to mention the SATA in vertical instead of at 90º... believe me, avoid that MSI

MSI VS. Asrock

[whoololon]

…not for you or for me.

The GA-Z170-HD3P maintains two PCI slots.

!

[Mind_Hunter]

Whoololon, the problem I see with the Gigabyte you mentioned is that it "only" has 6 power phases, and with the Gigabyte socket 775 I've had, there have been a couple of things I didn't like at all, so for now I'm ruling out Gigabyte.
Espinete, I've been looking at several reviews of the Extreme 4, and apparently people complain about uneven performance in CPU and memory, with inexplicable dips…
Now I've found the Asus z170a and the Asus z170 Gaming Pro, the latter cheaper (€139) and with several positive reviews... I'm more undecided...

[Fassou]

The Gigabyte usually have great models on paper, but I've had more than one disappointment with them, so I don't usually recommend them as I used to, but the one that says whoololon seems like a good option to save a few euros.

We all agree on the micro, the memories, what Espinetenbolas says. Know that the difference between the Trident and the Ripjaws is that the former have selected chips (better OC?), but since they are for work, better a Kingston and more so with better latencies (CL14).

Heatsink, the H5 Ultimate that has the three B's. But remember that it may be very tight for space underneath, so when choosing the memories, better the ones that don't have too much heatsink upwards, that the DDR4 heat up less and don't need it, and better that they don't make contact.

Salu2! and enjoy the great rig!

[Mind_Hunter]

Hi Fassou! I'm sorry to be so annoying... Which would perform better? A hyperX at 2400 but CL12 or a 2800 at CL14? They cost the same (in fact, they are probably the same chips but with different configuration).

[Fassou]

In this article from legitreviews.com they are looking for the "sweet spot" of ideal memory speed for the Skylake platform, but as you'll see in the graphs, the results are pretty flat.

The final recommendation is that you don't go below 2600, but you also shouldn't spend too much, because it's not really noticeable (except for available bandwidth).

If the difference is very small, you can spend a little more thinking about making future OC easier, but there are probably other areas that are more interesting to you, where you can spend that saved money.

Salu2!

PD: get the 2800 CL14, and you can probably set them to 2400 CL12

[Mind_Hunter]

And now, when I already had everything booked... I have the following doubt...

For the same price I can get an i7 4790k, and of course, in theory it pulls much more than the 6600k... All because of the price difference between DDR3 and DDR4. What do you think? Is that i7 worth it to me?

Thanks in advance!

[whoololon]

This is what **espinete** was pointing out, and rightly so: currently, a team based on 1151 is quite more expensive with relatively mediocre performance.
If we play that game of "well, something better will come out in a few months" in the end we never buy the machine. Of course, in the end the 1151 will prevail and its performance will be spectacular, but right now it's not like that.
Keep in mind that a good motherboard with an i7 4790k, topped with quality RAM and good cooling and matching graphics, becomes a team capable of keeping up for at least 5 years (very minimum). There you enter to decide if you can amortize it in that time and, when the time comes, make the leap to a more updated (and optimized) platform.

[Espinetenbolas]

At the moment, platform 1151 has more future potential, but the performance is not substantially better than micros that have been on the market for over a year and have polished Bios and Drivers... not to mention the price.

In any case, not having the latest is always cheaper (we all know that ) but you have to consider whether you prefer to pay the extra price to be able to expand to 64Gb in the future or if 32Gb is already enough for you or if you think that when Skylake Refresh comes out, you will go for one of those because you will have 200 or 300Mhz more with OC... well, those are the only "future advantages".

On the other hand, it should be explained that although Skylake has a better overall IPC than Haswell by 4-8%, this collapses the moment both are OCed or faster mems are put into Haswell, since the limit is the limit and Intel Core technology is only capable of so much (it should be noted that many reviews have tested the 4690K and 4790K with 1600Mhz mems for there to be a substantial difference in performance :wall: ).

It should also be explained that DDR4 does not have its maximum potential at the moment and for a DualChanel system, it only increases the cost of the platform and gives worse latency data... which penalizes the performance that Skylake could have... in other words, the current DDR4 is not much better than DDR3, which has already reached its maturity and limit (the same thing happened when moving from DDR2 to DDR3).

[Mind_Hunter]

Thanks again for your responses.
In the end I opted for the "future-proof" option and the possibility of putting 64gb of RAM, which Photoscan gobbles up memory like crazy (I've seen configurations with 768gb of RAM to handle thousands of photos with said program).
With the i7 the CPU price went up by more than 60€, and it didn't compensate for the 37€ I saved with the DDR3 RAM. Besides, looking at Photoscan benchmarks, the CPU is not as important as the RAM and the graphics, so I save that money to build a future SLI of gtx 660, now that they are cheap.
As Espinete said, if I see that with the Skylake Refresh it's worth changing the CPU, I will, and if not.. long live the 6600k, as the change with the q6600 will be more than considerable.
I just have to thank you and apologize for the dizziness! I'll let you know how the new machine runs!

See you soon!!!