Great dilemma and doubt with RAM memory

[boncoe]

Hello everyone, it's been a while since I posted anything as I got stuck saving some money to upgrade my equipment, waiting for the new Ryzen 3000 series to come out next month. My plan is to buy an Asus prime X470 motherboard as I think the new X570s will be too expensive for me and I'll have more than enough with the 4 series. To this, I intend to put a Ryzen 3600X or, if that's not possible, the 3600, but my big doubt or dilemma comes with the darn ram memories as they are not cheap (although they have come down quite a bit) for that X470.
My question is: is it more convenient to buy memory with lower frequency and lower latencies? or on the contrary, higher frequency and slightly higher latency? I'll give you two memory models 2x8 gb=16gb total:

• Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 PC4-24000 16GB 2x8GB CL15 (€86 at Pc components)
• G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4 3200 PC4-25600 16GB 2x8GB CL16 (€115 at same place)
  The latter has Rgb and slightly higher frequency but higher latencies and I think it doesn't have the XMP mode for automatic overclocking like the Corsair, although I might be wrong because I'm already dizzy from looking at models and series with Samsung and SK Hynix chipsets.
  The G Skill flare X 3200 would be the thing, but they cost €159, can you inform me and give your opinions or configurations in case you have the same components?
  Thanks and sorry for the long post......

[hAyO]

Yes you can buy an X470 board for the 3600X/3600, but it won't go to 100% due to the limitations of the chipset, that the processor is backward compatible doesn't mean it can work the same. Taking that into account, go ahead with your option.

Regarding the memories in AMD, I'm not very up to date, but maybe I would opt for the latencies of the Corsair, since they may push you to those 3200-3300 by increasing some latencies. Regarding the TridentZ, they probably have XMP but it's what we talked about CL16 to CL15, maybe they are practically the same in real performance or very similar, so that the 3000 will do what I told you (as long as you're going to do OC, if not, the GSKILL by far).

Emphasizing, on the issue you demand of the board and the processor, you're going to wait for the 3600/3600X, right? All this starts to play in the market on the 7th, so, why don't you wait for the boards to come out too and see what we can scrape together?

[boncoe]

@hayo said in Great dilemma and doubt with ram memories:

Yes, you can buy an X470 motherboard for the 3600X/3600, but it won't run at 100% due to the limitations of the chipset. The fact that the processor is backward compatible doesn't mean it can function the same way. Considering this, go ahead with your option.

Regarding the memory issue in AMD, I'm not very knowledgeable, but I would probably opt for the latencies of the Corsair, as they may be able to reach those 3200-3300 by increasing some latencies. Regarding the TridentZ, they probably have XMP, but what we're talking about is CL16 to CL15, which are practically the same in real performance or very similar, so the 3000 may do what I told you (as long as you're going to do OC, otherwise, GSKILL hands down).

To emphasize, on the issue you're asking about the motherboard and processor, you're waiting for the 3600/3600X, right? All of this starts to play out in the market on the 7th, so why don't you wait for the motherboards to come out as well and see what we can scrape together?

Thanks for your response, I'm speaking from my ignorance, but do you really think that an X470 chipset, which is now the top of the range, won't get the most out of that 3600 or 3600x? That being the case, I understand that the X570s won't be commercialized until late or early next year due to the issue of eliminating previous chipsets like the X470, B450, etc., from stock. I don't think anyone would buy a third-generation Ryzen knowing this, right?

[hAyO]

It's not that it won't work, but the X570 improvements are those, special for the Ryzen 3000, and all its capabilities (PCIe lines, buses, addresses and so on) that doesn't mean they won't work with the X470, maybe the difference is around 10-15% but until we see real circumstances.

The X470 was designed for the Ryzen + enthusiast series (that is 2xxx) after the improvements on the Ryzen 1xxx series, where the manufacturing process was improved and the technology was polished more. Ryzen 2, or rather Ryzen 3000, is a more drastic change in the design of the processor itself, it starts from the base of a BIOS update, but... that's what we're talking about.

[hAyO]

@hayo said in Great dilemma and doubt with ram memories:

It's not that it won't work, but the improvements of the X570 are those, special for the Ryzen 3000, and all its capacities (PCIe lines, buses, addresses and so on) that doesn't take away from the fact that they won't work with the X470, maybe the difference is around 10-15% but until we see real circumstances.

The X470 was designed for the enthusiast series of Ryzen + (that is 2xxx) after the improvements over the Ryzen 1xxx series, where the manufacturing process was improved and the technology was polished more. Ryzen 2, or rather Ryzen 3000, is a more drastic change in the design of the processor itself, it starts from the base of a BIOS update, but... that's what we're talking about.

I'm answering myself and I'm sorry, according to Donny Woligroski, a member of the AMD marketing team, communicates that there will be no performance lag, the only drastic change is PCIe 4.0 and therefore m.2 devices (nvme) and graphics cards that use this bus.

[boncoe]

@hayo said in Big dilemma and doubt with ram memories:

@hayo said in Big dilemma and doubt with ram memories:

It's not that it won't work, but the improvements of the X570 are those, special for the Ryzen 3000, and all its capabilities (PCIe lines, buses, addresses and so on) that doesn't take away from the fact that they won't work with the X470, maybe the difference is around 10-15% but until we see real circumstances.

The X470 was designed for the enthusiast series of Ryzen + (that is 2xxx) after the improvements over the Ryzen 1xxx series, where the manufacturing process was improved and the technology was polished more. Ryzen 2, or rather Ryzen 3000, is a more drastic change in the design of the processor itself, it starts from the base of a BIOS update, but... that's what we're talking about.

I'm answering myself and I'm sorry, according to Donny Woligroski, a member of the AMD marketing team, communicates that there will be no performance drag, the only drastic change is PCIe 4.0 and therefore m.2 devices (nvme) and graphics cards that use this bus.

Thanks for your answer again, it's like I imagined, the x570 chipset will bring substantial but not essential improvements to take advantage of the new generation of ryzen 3

[rul3s]

Around 3200 CL16 are a good balance in price/performance, check these out:

https://www.amazon.es/Corsair-Vengeance-LPX-Memoria-Rendimiento/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_es_ES=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=3200+cl16&qid=1560940834&s=gateway&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.es/Patriot-Memory-16GB-3200MHz-módulo/dp/B016A29PWA/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_es_ES=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&keywords=3200+cl16&qid=1560940834&s=gateway&sr=8-5