A step forward?
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Re: [Consejo] Actualizar Core2Duo para jugar
Good afternoon, hardlimit family, it's a pleasure to see you again!!!
I am referring to this old post because back in 2012, once again, you helped me acquire my current equipment, which I later improved with G.Skill Ripjaws X memory - 2 x 8 GB DDR3 SDRAM, PC3-12800, 1600 MHz, 1.5 V), a couple of SSDs, as well as the graphics card (ZOTAC 1060 of 6GB).
To be honest, for my daily routine, this equipment, thanks to the RAM and the graphics card, gives me very good results, although I am well aware that the processor cannot give much more and it is possible that it will pull my performance down a bit.
I didn't plan to take "a step forward" in terms of processor change, but maybe I have an opportunity due to a favor that a friend has asked me for.
This friend is still using a Pentium Core2Duo and the computer is not giving its best, probably due to improper use of downloads and malware, but it is true that he should not be pulling anything with that equipment today. According to what he tells me, he doesn't want it for much more than browsing, office work, and little else, but I think he needs a feeling of a fast computer and I believe that with my configuration he could have it.
The options are these:
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Recommend him to buy an entire CPU with a MAX budget of 500 € at the top.
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Sell him my card, processor, RAM, one of the SSDs I have and my old 7870. I would have to buy a case and a power supply separately that can handle this configuration, since I think mine can handle it. The idea would be to ask him for the same 500 € for this configuration + the case + the power supply, I don't want to make money from this, I just want to take advantage of the moment, if you see that this is worth 400 €, that's fine with me.
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Obviously, if we choose this last option, I would use the amount to acquire processor, card and memory, I currently have an additional SSD that I can use until I can acquire an M2.
Having said all this....how do you see it?
I am happy to see that many of you are still around, the years pass but good habits don't....
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On the other hand, I see that there are currently refurbished options of the Intel Core i7 (3770) 3.4 GHz from my 1155 platform for just under €150...do you find it interesting?
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It's that "little more" that matters, because if it includes pachangas for certain games, it invalidates the office use.
In principle, with a formatting and an SSD for the OS and virtual memory, it would be enough without having to invest more than what the drive costs; and if he's one of those who have been tempted to install W10 in old configurations, let him go back to W7 or put in a Linux distro he likes.
Personally, and I hope my friend doesn't read this, before spending €500 on an Ivy, I'll build a Ryzen 2600 with its B450, 8 GB of RAM, 240 GB SSD, GTX 1650 and matching power supply, but without hesitation...
...but as I say, it depends on whether he's going to use it to play, even if it's just a little, or not.
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Thanks for the quick response....well you are absolutely right, I have already recommended a lot in previous years and I always ask that question, and you should see how people tell you what office software mode and then they want to play with rolls, but in this case I think it is true.
And don't worry that my friend can read it without any problems, as I have told you this is not about making money or business, but about taking advantage of the moment.
If you tell me that the configuration my vale everything assembled 300€ or similar I think it's fine.
So, if you don't see the option to offer my equipment....for those 500€, understanding that it is not going to be played, what would be your recommendation?
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how is this configuration for my friend? https://www.pccomponentes.com/configurador/4e10Db83C
And what do you think about this one for me? Would it be a good jump from an i5-3570?
- Asus PRIME B450M-A 79,99€ (if you recommend another one I'm all ears)...
- AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8GHz BOX 220,99€
- Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 PC4-25600 16GB 2x8GB CL16 82,51€
TOTAL: 383,59 €
I would keep the case, power supply, graphics card and SSD
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With respect to AM4, if it's for gaming, the most advisable (personal opinion) is a 3600; it doesn't justify the price difference.
With that savings, we can also avoid having to skimp on the motherboard and we can get one that has the VRM (at least the VCore one) dissipated; and if we're talking about putting a 3000 series in a 400 series motherboard, we either make sure it comes with the updated BIOS, or we get the MAX range from MSI, which with a button allows us to do it without needing to have a processor installed.
You'll notice the jump in titles where the processor bogs down the graphics, which will be many if you play at 1080p.
With respect to your friend, of course there is a difference between a C2D and a 3570... but only in heavy tasks or in games. In browsing or office work, the difference will be given by the type of storage drive, as I already mentioned.
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Yes, I do play more occasionally, and in VR it's noticeable that my processor is a bit slow. I chose the X because it's on promotion now and there's a 20€ difference, although I imagined that for the X this motherboard would be weak. Honestly, I've never been a fan of overclocking, but if now it's as easy as they say...
If we switched to the normal one, which motherboard would you recommend? Could I invest in an m.2 HD, which tempt me a lot or in doubling the memory?As for my friend....if it were up to him he would go to the MM and get the first computer that fit his budget. I already told him to format and put an SSD to see what he thought, but let's say he's developed a "phobia" of the PC because it's not working....I don't see him with Linux or anything, he wants Windows 10 and the user experience to be smooth for office work, browsing and work use..he reiterates that he won't play anything....
And a thousand thanks for your help
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In my opinion, AMD becomes uninteresting (note, always talking about gaming configurations) starting from the 3600; from there on, it's a price inflation that isn't reflected in current titles and that makes Intel a better candidate.
The M.2 thing is a minor issue that at most saves us having a couple of cables in the middle; to clarify, by M.2 we refer to the form factor, and that includes M.2 SATA (same performance as a SATA) and M.2 NVMe (the hot rods that only make sense under very specific circumstances).
Also remember that on certain motherboards and chipsets, M.2 disables some PCIe lanes, so you should first check the manual for your motherboard.
As a motherboard recommendation, I've mentioned the MAX range from MSI for the ability to flash the BIOS without having a processor installed, which is very necessary if, as in this case, we want to mount a 3600 on a B450, since the latter needs the corresponding version to support that generation. Having said that, as long as you make sure the BIOS supports that processor, any B450 will do the job. Having the VCore VRMs dissipated is fundamental for me, thinking about summer and motherboards with few phases.
On the subject of RAM, I've always been of the opinion (although I don't practice what I preach) that the more, the better. It never hurts, and if it does, we can set up a RAMCache and/or a RAMDisk.
Regarding your friend, one thing is appreciation and another is reality. A computer performs the same whether it's newly purchased or after ten years as long as the software environment is the same, the problem comes when we put a more current OS on it or try to run applications that demand more power than it can offer. For example, I have an Athlon 3200+ with 1 GB of RAM and a Voodoo 3000 with 32 MB of VRAM running Windows XP and I can play IL2-Sturmovik or TES 3: Morrowind without problems, but I wouldn't even think of trying to play The Witcher or Oblivion on that machine... I hope I made myself clear.
Tell him to do a format and reinstall from scratch with the OS he used at the time, and to get an SSD, which are now very cheap. If after doing this he doesn't notice an improvement, or sees that it's really not enough for him, he should renew the platform as appropriate; he can always reuse the drive in the new configuration.
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Ok, I have already proposed to my friend what you are saying, I will reinstall the OS (I think it was W7) and we will try with an SSD that you can later reuse.
For my part, I have already been reading about the MSI Max B450, I have seen that in terms of quality/price the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max is not bad with a 3600, we would be talking about €114.90, so the initial configuration would be:
-MSI B450 Tomahawk Max: €114.90 (€94.96 excl. VAT)
-AMD Ryzen 5 3600: €209.99 (€173.55 excl. VAT)
-Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 PC4-25600 16GB 2x8GB CL16: €85 (€70.25 excl. VAT)I put the prices without VAT because I would have the opportunity to buy it, in the end it would come out to about €338.76. If I could sell my motherboard/processor and memory for about €150-200, I would get a more than decent change for about €150-170, right?
