MSI Big Bang-XPower II X79

[Jotole]

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Muy buenas,

Como no he visto mucha información sobre esta placa y la poca que he visto es en ingles, me he atrevido a crear un hilo sobre ella.

Aquí podremos hablar de ella, mostras nuestras experiencias, e ir dejando información para posibles usuarios que les parezca interesate.

He pasado por 3 placas X79, la primera una Asus Rampage IV Extreme, una grandisima placa, pero llena de problemas, sonido integrado que se va, idas de pinza de la Bios, y varios problemas mas que la hacen odiarla, al igual que admirarla.

Como la mía pasó a mejor vida y para no quedarme sin equipo de juegos me hice con una Asrock x79 Extreme 7.
En cuanto a Oc de procesador muy buenas, pero algo justa para lo que ya la quiero que es meterle un 3 way, desde primera hora que la monté la "noté" floja en ese aspecto, para un o dos graficas genial, pero 3 se le iba de las manos.

Empezé a fijarme en esta MSI, al principio pasó muy inadvertida pero al ver sus especificaciones, me hizo fijarme mas en ella, hasta el punto de hacerme con una.

A groso modo cuenta con 22 fases de Potencia, (La Asus lleva 14, mientras que la asrock lleva 12), y te puertos pci-ex, esa parte es la que mas me gustó como entendereis…........xD. A parte lleva un chip PLX (Se trataría del chip PLX PEX8747, un chip que se encarga de dar soporte para más líneas PCI Express. Actualmente parece que este PEX8747 es el único chip puente capaz de añadir líneas extra PCI Express Gen 3.0). Para dar soporte a todos los slots pci-ex, en caso de utilizarla para computación.

El resto de especificaciones agrega características interesantes e incluye componentes de clase militar III, muy de moda últimamente, PCI-Express de tercera generación, USB 3.0, interfaz de bios UEFI, etc.

Características:

■Utilización de componentes de clase militar III (capacitores HI-C para el CPU, capacitores sólidos, Super Ferrite Choke, DrMOS en Mosfets), sello de calidad y estabilidad de MSI.
■Soporte para SLI y CROSSFIRE de cuatro vías.
■Ocho bancos de memoria DDR3 2400mhz + con overclock soportando un máximo de 128GB.
■Para suplir las necesidades energéticas del CPU en condiciones extremas cuenta con veintidós fases Hybrid Digital Power y cuatro para las memorias, todas con control inteligente sobre ellas, apagando las que no sean necesarias para ahorro de energía.
■Dos conectores de alimentación de ocho pines para el CPU capaces de entregarle hasta 300w extra, y en el apartado grafico posee un conector extra de alimentación para los zócalos PCI-Express de 6 pines para cuando utilizamos más de dos tarjetas de video.
■Asegura un comportamiento óptimo en condiciones de overclocking extremo, utilizando nitrógeno líquido, para ello cuenta con dos jumpers para LN2 MODE.
■Puntos de lectura de voltaje para el CPU, memorias, CPU I/O, CPU SA, y PCH.
■Mediante unos switches en el PCB denominados PCI-E CeaseFire, podremos apagar los PCI-Express principales de la placa, algo realmente útil para cuando tenemos varias tarjetas de video instaladas y necesitamos probar una por una individualmente, gracias a este switch lo haremos sin remover físicamente las que no utilizaremos.
■Direct OC: mediante dos botones en el PCB ( + / - ) es posible subir el bus principal de la placa sin necesidad de ningún tipo de software y en tiempo real.
■Botones de encendido, reincio, OC GENIE y MULTI BIOS en el PCB
■OC GENIE II: Presionando este botón el equipo se overclockeara de manera automática sin tener necesidad de ingresar al bios.
■Podremos hacer capturas de pantalla estando en el BIOS guardándolas en un pen drive para compartirla con amigos o guardar nuestras configuraciones.
■Dispone de seis perfiles de configuración en cada BIOS, y podremos guardar perfiles de overclock también en unidades extraíbles.
■Dispone dos chips de BIOS soldados y uno desmontable.
■En caso que el BIOS I falle, utilizaremos el II para inicializar la PC en DOS con un pendrive, cambiaremos al BIOS I mediante el switch y flashearemos esta BIOS para recuperarla.
■La zona del zócalo del procesador esta muy despejada, algo beneficioso para preparar la placa cuando vamos a utilizar refrigeración EXTREMA.
■Placa de audio Sound Blaster X-Fi integrada.

Especificaciones:

Zócalo: LGA 2011

Plataforma: Intel

Procesadores soportados: Core i7 Sandy Bridge-E LGA2011

Formato: XL-ATX

Chipset: Intel X79 Express + Intel X79 PCH

Tecnología memoria: 4 canales, DIMM DDR3 hasta DDR3 2.400 MHz y ECC / No ECC, XMP y 1,35 V

Memoria RAM máxima: 128 GBytes

Número de bahías PCI Express: 4 PCI-E 3 x16 y 3 PCI-E x8 Gen2

Conectores SATA: 4 SATA 3 Gbps y 6 SATA 6 Gbps

Puertos adicionales: 1 puertos PS/2

RAID: Intel Rapid Storage Technology (RAID 0, 1, 0+1, 5)

Tarjeta gráfica: Compatible NVIDIA SLI 4 vías y AMD CrossFireX

Tarjeta sonido: Realtek ALC892, audio de 8 canales, Audio Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi MB2 (EAX HD 5.0 y THX TruStudio Pro) y audio sin compresión

Ethernet: Sí x2

BIOS: Click BIOS II, UEFI y navegable con ratón. En combinación con WinKi 3.0. AMI BIOS v1.2

Software incluido: MSI Live Update, Control Center (OC), Click BIOS II, Audio Genie, Video Genie y Super Charger

Accesorios incluidos: Brackets para eSATA con alimentación y USB 3.0. Sondas para medir voltajes

Dimensiones (cm): 34,5 x 26,4 cm

Conexiones internas: 2 x USB 2.0, 1 x USB 3.0, 1 x FireWire, FP Audio, Voice Genie, detección intrusión y medidor de voltaje en placa

Conexiones ventiladores: 6

Conexiones traseras: 6 x USB 2.0, 4 x USB 3.0, 1 FireWire

Pulsadores en placa: Encendido, Direct OC (+ y -), reset, OC Genie, Multi BIOS y Clear CMOS (trasero)

Sistemas de monitorización en placa
Panel POST, LEDS de estado y LEDS de fase

Disipación chipset: Pasiva

Imagenes:

Contenido, accesorios y manuales que vienen con la placa.

El panel I/O cuenta de un conector PS/2 para teclado o ratón, seis USB 2.0, cuatro USB 3.0, dos salidas de audio digitales (óptica y coaxial), puerto Firewire, seis conectores de audio análogos y dos puertos RJ45 de red. (Imagenes tomadas de Internet).

Fotos Reales:

Llama la atención la zona de la cpu muy despejada, al ser de formato XL-ATX, el primer pci empieza en el tercero de nuestra caja, hay que tenerlo muy en cuanta a la hora de elegir esta palca, porque nos inutiliza dos slots de la caja, haciendo necesaria una caja con dicho formato. Esto tambien nos permite ponerle cualquier disipador sin miedo a que nos tope en las memorias.

Imagenes de los pci-ex, y disipadores de la placa, si bien el tema elegido para los disipadores es bastante cuestionable, no desentona. La placa lleva el pcb negro, con todos los slots, para tarjetas de expansion y memorias del mismo color, el disipador del chipset, agrega color a esta combinación haciendola muy vistosa en dorado.

Detalle de los conectores de alimentación de cpu y gpu´s, esas tomas ayudan a estabilizar el OC, proporcionando hasta 300W a la cpu en caso necesario. El de vga´s es recomendable a partir de 2 tarjetas graficas, para suministrar estabilidad a los slot´s pci-ex.

Eso es una de las cosas que mas me ha gustado de esta placa, que los conectores de corriente extras estan en los bordes de la placa, sin que para conectarlos tengamos que tirar cables por encima de la palca base hasta llegar al dentro de ella, como por ejemplo la Asus, o la Asrock.

Aqui podemos ver las fases de potencia, 22 nada menos y 4 para las memorias

Ahora pasamos a quitar el disipador y ponerle bloques para Refrigeración Líquida, si bien no es necesario. En la mayoria de los casos ayudan a mantener mucho mas frescas las fases de potencia y el chipset.

Bios.

Los apartados mas generales de la bios son muy intiutivos, si bien para realizar Oc, que no sea el automatico que nos trae la placa, un poco consevador diria yo, ya que nos eleva hasta los 4Ghz. Se hace un poco mas tedioso, con datos técnicos que se escapan a la mayoria de las placas. Y haciendonos estudiarla con mas detalle.

La bios es muy completa, y estable como una roca, desde ella podemos acceder a Internet, guardar nuestro perfil de oc, en la propia bios, o en un pendrive. O hasta realizar un backup de nuestro disco duro.

Para finalizar os dejo un detalle de como la tengo configurada para 24/7, si bien es un poco agresiva, con una buena refrigeración líquida mantendremos perfectamente a raya nuestro procesador. Os diré tambien que con esta misma configuración necesitaba un punto mas de vocore que en la Asus Rampage IV Extreme, hecho que achaco a tener mas fases de potencia, ya que las dos iban refrigeradas por agua. Tambien he conseguido un OC mas alto que en la Asus, pudiendo llevar mi procesador hasta los 5,1 Ghz. De forma estable. Aunque el incremento de vcore para esa frecuencia puede llegar a electromigrar el procesador en menor tiempo que el que tengo para 24/7, no siendo recomendable. De todas maneras la ganancia de esos 200 Mhz, no nos supone nada, a no ser que sea para benchear…....

Pagina del producto.

Un Saludo

[Fassou]

Great idea this mini-review of your motherboard.

Regarding your impressions about Asus and ASRock, I totally agree, the ones from ASRock really put in the effort, but Asus has been sleeping for a while after achieving its fame, and at best, it copies something from Gigabyte to not be too outdated.

Cheers!

[fjavi]

I don't have a good experience with MSI, I had an old one that broke, then a P45 that must be the worst P45 for OC, although it's true that it comes with a lot of extras, but it makes me angry that to do 3600 I needed more voltage than on a P35 or X48 to do more frequency and also not be stable.

I put that in the X79 they must have worked more on the bios issue because in mine the bios seems worse to me than a gigabyte 965 and comparing with the DFI 965p worse still and it's a P45, there were good boards with that chipset and they cost the same.

although it has many sata ports and military components, but in the end if I can't overclock they are useless to me.

although from the photos that board does have an impressive look, I hope it is just as good in OC and stability.

good reviews.

Regards

[Obione]

From my experience with P67, it has been a real challenge for them to release a BIOS without problems, in all models, but Asus is even worse. Then there are things they couldn't adjust like dynamic voltage, they took their time to add it when all the other brands already had it.

As for phase shutdown, if it's like on my motherboard, you can set it to that mode (APM) or fixed or dynamic.

Honestly, the Big Bang looks amazing :ugly:

[Jotole]

@Fassou:

Great idea this mini-review of your motherboard.

Regarding your impressions about Asus and ASRock, I totally agree, the guys at ASRock are doing a great job, but Asus has been sleeping on its laurels since it got famous, and at best, it copies something from Gigabyte to not be too outdated.

Cheers!

Indeed, Asus did something very good and it was stealing engineers from EVGA, that's where that Rampage came from, but I think it has been resting on its laurels, and if it doesn't want to lose ground it will have to wake up. Asrock is putting in a lot of effort lately, I tried a Z77 and the motherboard was a beast, too bad that the 1155 doesn't quite go for these extreme configurations.

Cheers...

@fjavi:

I don't have a good experience with MSI, I had an old one and it broke, then a P45 that must be the worst P45 for OC, although it's true that it comes with a lot of extras, but it frustrates me that to do 3600 I needed more voltage than on a P35 or X48 to do more frequency and it's not stable either.

I suspect that on that X79 they must have worked more on the BIOS issue because in mine the BIOS seems worse than a Gigabyte 965 and comparing with the DFI 965p it's even worse and it's a P45, there were good motherboards with that chipset and they cost the same.

Although it has many SATA ports and military components, but in the end if I can't overclock them they are useless to me.

Although from the photos this motherboard does have an impressive look, I hope it's just as good in OC and stability.

good reviews.

Regards

@Obione:

From my experience with P67, it has cost them a fortune to get a BIOS without problems, in all models but well, worse is the case of Asus. Then there are things they couldn't adjust like dynamic voltage, they have been slow to put it when all brands had it.

Regarding the phase shutdown, if it's like in my motherboard, you can put that mode (APM) or fixed or dynamic.

The truth is that the Big Bang looks great :ugly:

I hadn't touched an MSI motherboard for a long, long time, comfortably since the Abit season that I have in the signature, by the way it was also a scandal…........xD.

And it's true that MSI has gone down a few steps in recent years regarding motherboards. The latest high-end chipsets I've had have always been Asus, Gigabyte or Evga, I didn't go beyond that. Gigabyte with X38/X48, and Asus and Evga in X58.

Trying this one has been a bit given how fragile the X79 motherboards seem, with half-done BIOS, and with a lot of problems. I wanted to try something new, and I'm really happy with the result.

I always do OC the "old-fashioned way", without dynamic voltages or anything, for strong OCs, that usually causes problems.

For me since day one until now, it hasn't done anything strange, I have BIOS 1.3 and on the page there's up to 1.5. But I'm of the opinion that if something is working well, why change it...

I'll tell you that at least from my side MSI will have a user who will look at their next motherboards with different eyes.

A motherboard of this level, 100€ cheaper than its counterparts from other brands, is a real success.

Regards and thanks!!

[fjavi]

Jotole I suppose that MSI must have already stepped up their game, especially in those ranges, but it makes me very angry that I ended up with one of the worst P45s, I had a P5k premium or a rampage X48 and they gave a thousand kicks in OC to that P45, I could even have the memory much faster.
Although I can't talk about these anymore, but in 775 the asus give them a good review.

Greetings

[_PinKy_]

Excellent review.

A question I have, how is the BIOS when it comes to OC?? Can you do OC by Offset?? Are they well debugged??

Some reviews, they put it a bit weak in terms of OC and BIOS, except for one.. I closed the tab :facepalm:, but anyway, do you recommend it??

[ferelxyx]

I have assembled several mid-range and low-end MSI motherboards and honestly, I don't like them
the bios is a bit weak and confusing and they don't perform as well as other brands
I prefer ASROCK- GIGABYTE AND ASUS, in that order
best regards

[_PinKy_]

@ferelxyx:

I've built several MSI mid-range and low-end motherboards and honestly, I don't like them
the bios is a bit weak and confusing and they don't perform as well as other brands

I prefer ASROCK- GIGABYTE AND ASUS, in that order

regards

I've had those 3 before and they're very good, it's just that I wanted to try something different, although the one I'm asking about is high-end, I suppose it will be different from the mid-range-low ones. This motherboard looks very good, but the BIOS… I don't know, I don't know...

[Jotole]

@_PinKy_:

Excellent review.

I have a question, how is the BIOS for overclocking? Can you overclock by offset? Are they well debugged?

In some reviews, they say it's a bit weak in terms of overclocking and BIOS, except for one.. I closed the tab :facepalm:, but anyway, do you recommend it?

Hello, Pinky,

Honestly, I think the BIOS is very complete, maybe with fewer details than the Rampage's, which is the most complete I've seen, but solid as a rock. A bit convoluted, because the terms are not like in most motherboards, but once you get used to it, no problem.

As for overclocking, you've seen in my screenshot how I have the equipment set up for 24/7, and once the overclocking is stabilized, it doesn't give any kind of problem. It's true that this range, the X79, seems to have come out without even being tested. I say this because of the many problems that are happening with almost all the motherboards of this chipset.

I've gone through the Rampage IV Extreme, an Asrock 7, and this one, so far, hasn't given me any problems. From the first moment, it gives a sense of security.

From what I've seen in my version of the BIOS, I have the 1.3, (and it can be updated to 1.5), you can't overclock by offset. I haven't updated the BIOS because I'm one of those who think that if something works better, don't change it ;).

I also never overclock by offset, I'm old school, and the first thing I disable are the power savings, overclocking, the old-fashioned way…............xD.

I've heard that MSI, in the mid/low range leaves much to be desired, honestly this motherboard is more than good, with a very contained price and power and stability for whatever you want.

I do recommend it.

Regards...

[_PinKy_]

Honestly, I don't know why I'm asking about the offset, if I also disable energy savings, ;D honestly the board looks great.

Thank you very much for the comment, so I think I've already decided. :mudo:

[Jotole]

@_PinKy_:

The truth, I don't know why I ask about the offset, if I also disable energy savings, ;D the truth is that the board looks great.

Thank you very much for the comment, so I think I have already decided. :mudo:

I think it's a very good choice…......... ;).

You're welcome.

Best regards.

[fjavi]

@Jotole:

I think it's a very good choice…......... ;).

No hay de que.

Un Saludo.

I don't know if the rumors are true but it is said that Intel cancels Ivy-E and puts Haswell-E at the end of the year, if that is true and that Haswell works for the 2011 platform with the X99, it will be proven that if Haswell doesn't put it in the 1155 it's because it doesn't feel like it, anyway they are rumors but it is curious.

ExclusiveTT: Haswell coming at Computex on Z87 chipset, next-gen performance platform to be X99 :: TweakTown

let's see what happens in the end.

saludos

[Praimus]

@Jotole:

I think it's a very good choice…......... ;).

No hay de que.

Un Saludo.

That motherboard and that XSPC block sound familiar to me… ;D

That MSI looks great, it's a beauty, thanks for this analysis.

@fjavi:

I don't know if the rumors are true but it's said that Intel cancels Ivy-E and puts Haswell-E at the end of the year, if that's true and that Haswell works for the 2011 platform with the X99, it will be proven that if Haswell isn't put in the 1155 it's because they don't feel like it, anyway, they are rumors but it's curious.

ExclusiveTT: Haswell coming at Computex on Z87 chipset, next-gen performance platform to be X99 :: TweakTown

let's see what happens in the end.

saludos

If instead of releasing Ivy-E they release Haswell-e directly, I see it as an advance for users, don't you?, we skip a generation and they give us a better one, that's supposed to be, hehe

I'm totally against backward compatibility and I think it's correct that the socket changes, as a general rule, new chipsets bring new things.

[fjavi]

Personally, I see it as a step forward if Haswell-E is indeed compatible with X79, if in the end it only works with X99, I'll think it's a joke on the part of Intel for people who have X79, it will show me that they released socket 2011 too early.

If it really happens and it's compatible with x79, it will be better for users because they can upgrade a CPU and have a similar or better performance to Haswell from socket 1150, it should be compatible one way or another.

I also think it's absurd to release Haswell on the 1150 and release Ivy-E on 2011 because it won't look like the high-end platform, although these are rumors and nothing is certain yet.

regards

[Alcor]

I agree with you fjavi about the joke, but that's something Intel has been doing for several generations, the Intel platform that left me with the best taste is the 1366 both with the Nehalem and the Gulftown (the best processors Intel has ever released, cool, fast and stable as a rock that performs and rivals with an entire SB-E), this X79 platform seems to have come out not in beta, but directly in alpha, due to the large number of problems and failures that are being seen, but if with the supposed reversal of X99 we return to the stability and finesse of the 1366 era for me it will be very welcome and I will switch to it quickly since SB-E has not left me with a good taste in my mouth and has given me many problems, especially with Asus and its crazy ideas in the bios, which although it may seem unbelievable and after a few years they continue to do the same stupidity of losing values and setting up in a factory way habitually, so I am one of those who expect that supposed reversal like water in May.:wall:

Regarding the MSI (which I have deviated a bit ;D ), it is a great motherboard and from the first day it caught my attention a lot, I was lucky enough to try its counterpart in X58 and it was stable as a rock but with the usual MSI failure, until almost a year passes they do not find stability, that is, once they have it they have nothing to envy to the most advanced and exclusive motherboards on the market for less price, excellent review Jotole and as always chapeau.

Greetings and a pleasure to debate with you.

[Praimus]

@fjavi:

Praimus I see it as an advancement if Haswell-E is really compatible with X79, if in the end it only works with X99 I will think it's a joke on Intel's part for people who have X79, it will show me that the socket 2011 was released too green.

If it really happens and it is compatible with x79 it will be better for users because they will be able to upgrade a CPU and have a similar or better performance to Haswell from the socket 1150, it should be compatible if or if.

I also see it as absurd to release Haswell in the 1150 and release Ivy-E in 2011 because it won't be left as the high-end platform, although these are rumors that there is nothing certain yet.

regards

To me it doesn't matter at all not being able to plug a haswell-e into my old x79 if with it I gain performance or other improvements, wanting to reuse hardware in many cases makes us drag problems.

I say, if we win, to stay the same I'll stay as I am and I understand what you mean fjavi.

@Alcor:

On the joke I agree with you fjavi, but that's something that Intel has been doing for several generations, the Intel platform that left me with the best taste is the 1366 both with the Nehalem and the Gulftown (the best processors that Intel has released in its history, cool, fast and stable as a rock that performs and rivals with all an SB-E), this X79 platform seems to have come out not in beta state, but directly in alpha, due to the large number of problems and failures that are being seen, but if with the supposed reversal of X99 we return to the stability and finesse of the 1366 era for me it will be very welcome and I will switch to it quickly since SB-E didn't leave me a good taste in my mouth and gave me many problems, especially with Asus and its crazy ideas in the bios, that although it may seem unbelievable and after a few years they continue to do the same stupidity of losing values and setting by default habitually, so I am one of those who expect that supposed reversal like water in May.:wall:

Regarding the MSI (that I have deviated a bit ;D), it is a great motherboard and from the first day it caught my attention a lot, I was lucky to test its counterpart in X58 and it was stable as a rock but with the usual MSI failure, until almost a year passes they don't find stability, that is, once they have it they have nothing to envy to the most advanced and exclusive boards on the market for less price, excellent review Jotole and as always chapeau.

A greeting and a pleasure to debate with you.

Exactly, this is what I refer to Alcor, if with the change of chipset, socket or whatever we leave behind failures or gain improvements ¿why not?

By the way, what an offtopic we are putting to Jotole.

[fjavi]

@Alcor:

I agree with you fjavi about the joke, but that's something Intel has been doing for several generations. The Intel platform that left me with the best taste in my mouth is the 1366, both with the Nehalem and Gulftown (the best processors Intel has ever released in its history, fresh, fast and stable as a rock that performs and rivals any SB-E). This X79 platform seems to have come out not in beta, but directly in alpha, due to the large number of problems and failures that are being seen. However, if the supposed reversion to X99 returns to the stability and finesse of the 1366 era, I will welcome it very much and I will switch to it quickly since the SB-E didn't leave me with a good taste in my mouth and gave me many problems, especially with Asus and its antics in the bios, which, believe it or not, after a few years they continue to do the same silly thing of losing values and defaulting habitually, so I am one of those who expect that supposed reversion like water in May.:wall:

Regarding the MSI (which I have strayed from a bit ;D), it is a great motherboard and from the first day it caught my attention a lot. I was lucky enough to test its counterpart on X58 and it was as stable as a rock but with MSI's usual problem, until almost a year passes they don't find stability, that is, once they have it, they have nothing to envy to the most advanced and exclusive motherboards on the market for less price, excellent review Jotole and as always chapeau.

Regards and a pleasure to debate with you.

You are right but I think it's not just Asus, Gigabyte is the same, they are the most important manufacturers, in fact, not many X79 have been released. To be honest, the R3E works like a charm for me, of course it's x58, but I have the same OC configuration for years, sometimes I lower the latency to the memory but not a single failure, that's why I blame more the x79 itself than the motherboards although some give fewer problems.

Perhaps many problems are also in the CPUs that have disabled parts, that socket is very large with quite a TDP and it may have happened to it like the Q6600 b3 or the 920 C1, which were not as good as the next revision.

But perhaps a Haswell of those will be much better and more stable, even on an X79 if they are really compatible.
@Praimus:

I don't care at all about not being able to pin a haswell-e on my old x79 if it means gaining performance or other improvements. Trying to reuse hardware in many cases makes us drag problems.

I mean, if we gain, to stay the same I'll stay as I am and I understand what you mean fjavi.

I agree, but if you gain PCIe 3.0, 8 real cores, not two disabled, better TDP, better OC and stability and you only change a CPU, it's welcome.
But I suppose the x99 will have more advantages, but it will be more expensive to change, for example Jotole would benefit from just changing a CPU, although in the end if he likes an x99 he will also change the motherboard, if there are advantages to change.

Apologies to Jotole, although in reality we are talking about X79, it would be interesting to know if they will be compatible for those who already have X79.

regards

[Jotole]

@Praimus:

That motherboard and that XSPC block sound familiar to me... ;D

Wow, that MSI looks great, it's a beauty, thanks for this review.

If instead of releasing Ivy-E they release Haswell-E directly, I see it as a step forward for users, right? We skip a generation and get a better one, that's the idea, hehe

I'm totally against backward compatibility and I think it's right that the socket changes, as a general rule, new chipsets bring new things.

@Praimus:

I honestly don't care about not being able to put a Haswell-E in my X79 rig if it means gaining performance or other improvements, wanting to reuse hardware often drags problems with it.

I mean, if we're gaining something, to stay the same I'll stick with what I have and I understand what you're saying fjavi.

Exactly, that's what I'm referring to Alcor, if by changing the chipset, socket or whatever we leave behind bugs or gain improvements, why not?

By the way, what an off-topic we're getting into with Jotole.

Thank you very much. ;), and don't worry about the off-topic, it's absolutely fine.

Who knows, maybe we'll see an MSI Xpower III X99, in this very thread ;).

Best regards..

[kpablo]

A placon… nothing to argue about except the heat sink from SB... some people will like it... but I think we are in the majority who don't like those bullet or bullet casing designs... XD

Luckily they will change it for dragons... jajaja