Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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Heh, I would have bet money that you would end up doing it, and when I saw that you had signed up for OCN, I thought that in less than 24h you would do it
I was about to the other day, but I stopped myself because I read that in idle, on the desktop, the voltage does not go down. Do you mind checking if that's the case? Which bios have you used? There are dozens of them....
I feel like trying it out, mine doesn't need a 200 offset, with 175 it already goes over 1.200 Mhz, I have the feeling that I got a good one and I feel a bit bad not squeezing it.
Regards
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;)Well, I've been running Unigine for an hour and it seems (and I say seems, touch wood) that it's stable at 1110. Not bad.Quiet, cool and with pretty good performance (like my SLI, but without a quarter of the noise).
I don't know Pepillo, do I return it? ;D, what luck you have, damn...1200...surely without breaking a sweat...
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No, the 1.200 are increasing voltage and with Throttling, I'll see if I get the courage to try a modified bios, like Jotele. Without touching voltage and without Throttling they are 1.150, 40 Mhz of difference does not seem to me to return a card.
Greetings
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It was a joke, man! I'm not going to return it for that. In fact, I was happy with the 1084.
I tried to set the voltage limit and see how high it goes. It stays at 1137-1150. It's not worth it for the gain. Moreover, as you mentioned, it's even worse, because when the TDP is exceeded, the frequency drops to 1097-1110, so in the end, you have the same thing but with more voltage.
It's a shame that NVIDIA doesn't allow a little more of the TDP, but of course, it would go beyond the standard for these cards.
Modifying the BIOS gives me a little scare... it's very risky, damn...
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Hello fjavi, yes, when I get home I'll do some more tests. I don't mind that it doesn't go up to 1150 or anything like that, what bothers me (more out of habit than anything else) is that, from what I see in forums or reviews (I pay less attention to these), generally, without touching anything, they go up to 1006, 1058…, although then they drop to 980 or 1006 respectively.
The one I have, as I noticed in the photos of the ELP3, goes up to 980. If it heats up, it automatically drops to 967 and 1.15.
Basically that's it, it's just a habit. It's true that I've only been tinkering with it for a day and that work doesn't allow me to spend more time with it, and that, I hope, that, at least, it stays at 1084 continuously. But, of course, this overclocking thing is a lottery and, generally, I don't usually have much luck with the GPUs...
What Pepillo said is true, I've had a look around the EVGA forums and some seem to have been sent selected graphics cards, because you can see 1250 and other things, but, of course, going up to 1150 at full voltage and passing a Unigine doesn't seem like a good methodology for finding or fine-tuning an overclock...
Another thing I don't understand, and this question is for Pepillo, is that in the image you posted your graphics card goes to 1.15 from the start of the Unigine. However, mine starts at 1.16 and then drops to 1.15. Is that normal?
And another thing I haven't mentioned is that the Titan installation was done without formatting from the SLI of the 480. It's true that I ran Driversweeper and other removal tools. Should I format? (Perezón).
Thanks!!!
The thing with the 1006 doesn't happen with all of them, I think the ELP3 has two that are at 1006 but another one goes to 996 and the worst one to 980, so it depends on how good the chip is, even the memory, because worse memory will consume more and limit sooner, anyway, it's not bad that a single GPU already gives what an SLI of 580 does, plus with more than enough VRAM for the games that are coming out very demanding of memory.
Also, a single GPU works better than an SLI, less stuttering problems and without worrying about SLI profiles, it's about playing everything without changing drivers, I would change my two 480s for one of these if they were cheaper, because as a card I think they're pretty good, let's see if they go down in price and I'll go for one, at least.
regards
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Modifying the bios gives me a little scare…jotole is that it's very risky...
Well, I've also jumped into the pool:
Honestly, I think it's worth it. It's not just the 1.202 Mhz that it reaches without touching anything else but the power limit, in my case I've tried with 115%, and it's perfect on the first try. It's also that you can set a profile that's more suitable for the fan, and the temperature has stayed at 74° during the benchmark. That said, this bios sets the boost to 1.202 Mhz automatically, if you get one that doesn't reach it, you have to set the offset to a negative value, -10, -20, or whatever you need to make it stable. But since it raises the voltage to 1.20, it easily reaches the 1.202 Mhz, cooler, and without Throttling. And my doubt, I had read that in some cases the voltage didn't lower in idle, but it has worked for me without problems, it lowers the voltage to 0.862 at rest.
Tomorrow I'll run a session of Crysis 3 to be more at ease, and I'll test to see how far this Titan goes :mad:
By the way, the process of flashing the bios, extremely simple, I had never done it with a graphics card, but it couldn't be easier. Here's where they explain it best:
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1891166
Regards
P.D. Teeth, if you're not sure, don't do it, the truth is that it gives you a "yuyu" to do that to a card of this caliber that you can't see …...... but what would life be without the thrill of risk -
I don't have much idea about OC on GPU, but I've been intrigued by this one I have and without touching the voltage it gave me this last Sunday-Monday. Pepillo, tell me what you think. This weekend I'll build the second one and the RL blocks, when I get back from work. According to my coworker, the second one I'm going to build is somewhat better than this one, since he does stress tests on them, I don't, I do other types of tests, but I haven't really looked to compare, that's why I ask you Pepillo to tell me how you see it. This is what I got last Sunday from the one I have at home but without touching much, certainly the stock voltage, I mean I only touched the powertarget, I didn't raise any voltage:
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Well, another one that goes up like foam... :wall:
I've been playing Crysis 3. Although in Unigine the graphics stay stuck at 1084, in the game it fluctuates between 1084, 1058, 1045 and usually doesn't go below that. So this whole overclocking thing isn't that simple if you don't use a modified BIOS.
Not Pepillo, my inhibitions are getting the better of me...
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Teeth I don't know if you're referring to mine, but mine is chosen from a few and there are even better ones, in fact the one that will be mounted next weekend is supposed to be better, according to my colleague, but I wouldn't raise the voltage. I deal precisely with that, effects produced by overvoltages or bad voltages, to put it in some way and how to control them. Besides, mine already comes somewhat overclocked, it's an SC, it's not the normal one, so don't worry, you have a graphics card, believe me, just think about enjoying it and forget about everything else.
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Teeth I don't know if you're referring to mine, but mine is chosen from a few and there are even better ones, in fact the one that will be mounted at the weekend is supposed to be better, according to my colleague, but I wouldn't increase the voltage. I deal precisely with that, effects produced by overvoltages or bad voltages, to put it some way. Besides, mine already comes somewhat overclocked, it's an SC, it's not the normal one, so don't worry your pretty head, you have a graphics card, believe me, just think about enjoying it and forget about everything else.
If Majo. If it's chosen then I understand. Since you've seen several just tell me it's not that strange that mine is at those values…:wall:
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Teeh I can't lie to you, that's why I tell you that I don't know, since in the conditions that I see them they are not normal, but when I can I'll tell you, tomorrow in the morning I'll consult my colleague and I'll let you know, if I can tomorrow in the afternoon or evening I'll tell you and if not on the weekend without fail, but I would tell you that what happens to you must be normal, that's the way it is. It's the same as in CPU, there is a lot of variety, but if I can tell you and I don't want to scare you, these GPUs are very similar to CPUs like Intel in terms of electro-migration, that's why I'm not in favor of raising the voltage. Although neither should you be alarmed or scared, of course, everyone should do what they think is convenient, but the important thing is to enjoy what you have and punto.Me I'm going to sleep and teeh I repeat, worry only about enjoying it, listen to me it's an impressive graphics card
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Teeh I can't lie to you, that's why I tell you that I don't know, since in the conditions that I see them they are not normal, but when I can I'll tell you, tomorrow in the morning I'll ask my colleague and I'll let you know, if I can tomorrow in the afternoon or evening I'll tell you and if not on the weekend without fail, but I would tell you that what is happening to you must be normal, that's the first thing. It's the same as in CPU, there is a lot of variety, but if I can tell you and I don't want to scare you, these GPUs are very similar to CPUs like Intel in terms of electro-migration, that's why I'm not in favor of raising the voltage. Although you also shouldn't be alarmed or scared, of course, everyone should do what they think is appropriate, but the important thing is to enjoy what you have and punto.Me I'm going to sleep and teeh I repeat, worry only about enjoying it, listen to me it's an impressive graphics card
Well I would appreciate it, to console me a little, at least…:ugly:
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Pepillo dime que te parece
Well, that's correct. If you look at the graphs, the GPU clock has suffered some small peak, the consumption is already at the limit and nothing more can be done without removing that limitation from the bios. I am not a serious "overclocker". ELP3 or Jotele, for example, know much more than I do about these topics.
Well, I would appreciate it, to console me a little, at least…:ugly:
Don't worry too much and go play, it will give you something ;D
Regards
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Pepillo, can you believe I haven't slept well? :ffu:Obsessive-compulsive disorders aside, is what's happening to me in Crysis 3 normal? I mean, going from 1084 to 1071 or 1058…1045...up again...like that, over and over? While in Unigine it stays stuck at 1.084 all the time?
I guess it's the throttling because of the heat, or the power consumption...¬¬
Too bad I don't have the balls to flash it and at least give it a 15% power boost...I imagine it wouldn't stutter as much...
Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but that kind of frequency fluctuation will result in some stuttering.
And I wonder...why the hell did they put this boost nonsense in the new generations? I was so happy with the old-school overclocking...
Oh, and one last thing. Maybe my 950 at 3.6 HT on is causing a bottleneck in Crysis 3, because in some sequences, the GPU usage drops, and the frames are below 60...
I was also looking at your card, Pepillo, after you put the tuned BIOS in...curious about the power consumption, it's brutal, at 1.21 and the fan at 75%...we'll be over 275?
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I've told you several times already, Throttling is due to power consumption, limited to 265W, which is 106% Power. The advantage of modified bios is that they allow you to increase that consumption up to 300 or more in theory (in practice, 300W is the maximum of the two power connectors of the card and the PCIe), thus eliminating Throttling, at least up to 1.202 Mhz …. more, if the card is enough, you're back to the downswings, because with 1.21 voltage and the fan at 70% you're back to the limit of consumption.
Look, this graph is after an hour of playing Crysis 3:
Stuck all the time at 1.202 Mhz, with the GPU always above 90% …..... and the consumption reached 114% (114% of the TDP of 250W are 285W) and taking into account that it measures it below, I'm already at 300W. That is, cooler than before and without downswings.
Regards
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Pepillo, can you believe I haven't slept well? :ffu:
Obsessive-compulsive disorders aside, is what's happening to me in Crysis 3 normal? I mean, going from 1084 to 1071 or 1058…1045...up again...like that, over and over?, while in Unigine it stays stuck at 1.084 all the time?
I guess it's the throttling because of the heat, or the power consumption...¬¬
Too bad I don't have the balls to flash it and at least give it a 15% power boost...I imagine it wouldn't be throttling as much...
Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but this kind of frequency dance will result in some stuttering.
And I wonder...why the hell did they put this boost nonsense in the new generations? I was so happy with the old-school overclocking...
Oh, and one last thing. Maybe my 950 at 3.6 HT on is causing a bottleneck in Crysis 3, because in some sequences, the GPU usage drops, and the frames are below 60...
I was also looking at your card Pepillo after you put the tuned bios in...curious about the power consumption, it's brutal, at 1.21 and the fan at 75%...we must be at around 275?
You won't have MS with a single GPU even if the frequency drops a bit, first because single GPUs perform better and you'd notice if you dropped to 600 MHz or less and that depends on the game, second because those cards have hardware MS control, the previous ones like the 480 or 580 have it by software, but they put hardware control on these thinking about boost and thinking that in SLI one can run at different frequencies, that's why with a single GPU you won't have MS or if you do it will be a driver problem or a game that doesn't run well, but normally it should run smooth.
you could also notice if for example it doesn't give more than 35 or 40 fps, but more than MS it will be that it loses fluidity, I mean, I'd play and compare with your previous SLI, I think this Titan runs better and with fewer problems, games like GTA4 should run much better.
regards
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What fjavi says is quite true. It's one thing to seek the maximum for overclocking, benchmarking, etc., and quite another for gaming. This card is designed for dynamic clocks and that doesn't have to be seen in a negative way when gaming.
Regards
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At the end this morning I caught a couple of flights and at mid-morning at home, food and RL assembly.
Pepillo, mine are fresh, this image is after 6 unigine in a row.
Temperatures at idle: between 20 and 21º C.
As standard (they are SC not the normal ones) between 30 and 31ºC and they don't go beyond that.
My voltages were dropping to 1.13V, now they stay at 1.16V (all strictly standard) which I imagine they could go up more without touching the BIOS. Now I have to pick up everything that I have on the table, if I have time I can maybe try to push them up like I did last domino without touching the voltage to see if they have gained, although I suppose that if:
Well I'll pick up later.
They are impressive, also to say that the ones I brought this morning my colleague told me that with very good ones.
With offset raised to +55, without touching voltage, voltage remains stable at 1.16. You don't need to modify BIOS for these beasts, you just put RL in them and they are devils without knowledge. With the standard cooler the card I had at home at more than +55 already started to do something strange, not serious throttling but there was something strange. These with RL have solved the problem for now, without touching BIOS or raising Vcore.
More results, I hope I don't bore
Vcore without touching, offset +100, result ok
Vcore without touching offset +120= 1176Mhz superstable
Up to +130 offset they hold without touching voltage if I put +140 offset they fail, that's the limit of mine with RL without raising voltage, that is 1189mhz, according to eVGA precision. I saw these working yesterday at work and without RL they held a maximum offset of 80 without touching voltage, so the improvement with RL apart from temperatures in my case is +50. Surely if they touched voltage with eVGA precision they would reach 1200mhz, I don't know, but as I'm going to have them as standard I don't care. With what they give as standard it's enough for me.
I forgot to put a picture of my last test, they don't give more without raising Vcore and I don't want to do that
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Je, Je, hubiese apostado dinero a que terminabas haciéndolo, y cuando vi que te habías dado de alta en OCN, pensé que en menos de 24h lo harías
Yo estuve a punto el otro día, pero me paró que leí que en idle, en el escritorio, no se baja el voltaje. ¿Te importa comprobar si es así? ¿Que bios has utilizado? Hay decenas de ellas …....
Tengo ganas de probarlo, la mía no necesita un offset de 200, con 175 ya pasa los 1.200 Mhz, tengo la sensación de que me tocó una buena y me da un poco de pena no exprimirla.
Saludos
Pues yo me he lanzado a la piscina también:
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Sinceramente, creo que vale la pena. No son solo los 1.202 Mhz que se pone sin tocar nada más que el límite del consumo, en mi caso he probado con 115%, y perfecto a la primera. Es que además, puedes poner un perfil más adecuado al ventilador, y la temperatura se ha quedado en 74º durante el beenchmark. Eso sí, esa bios te sitúa el boost en 1.202 Mhz de forma automática, si te toca una que no llega, tienes que poner el offset en negativo, -10, -20, o lo que te haga falta para que sea estable. Pero como sube el voltaje a 1.20, los 1.202 Mhz los alcanza con facilidad, más fresca, y sin Throttling. Y mi duda, que había leído que en algunos casos no se bajaba el voltaje en idle, pues a mi me ha funcionado sin problemas, se baja el voltaje a los 0.862 en reposo.Mañana pasaré sesión de Crysis 3 para estar más tranquilo, y probaré a ver a cuanto me llega esta Titan :mad:
Por cierto, el proceso de flashear la bios, extremadamente sencillo, no lo había hecho nunca con una gráfica, pero no puede ser más fácil. Aquí es donde mejor lo explican:
Saludos
P.D. Teeth, si no lo ves claro, no lo hagas, la verdad es que da un "yuyu" hacer eso a una tarjeta de este calibre que no ves …...... pero que sería de esta vida sin la emoción del riesgoPerdona por no contestarte antes Pepillo, de dia el trabajo, por la tarde noche la familia, y de noche el equipo esta semana se me ha pasado volada, ni me he enterado…..
No puede uno andar por un foro del otro lado del mundo, lo reconocies en el primer post........xD.
Efectivamente estuve dandole vueltas y el pasarlas por agua y tener las tres "inamovibles" me animo a hacerlo. Y como comentas, yo tambien creo que vale la pena y mucho, y ya no solo apra benchear, aunque sea a modo casero como lo hago yo. Para jugar es donde realmente ganaremos rendimiento sin apretarlas apenas, ademas de poder midificarles el perfil de ventilador los que las llevais por aire.
Veo que has tardado poco en animarte tu tambien no........ ;).
Has confirmado eso del paso a 2D en escritorio?, yo intentaré tenerlo montado esta noche, pero me queda mucho trabajo por hacer, no sé si me dará tiempo.
Que Bios metiste al final?, yo metí una que era 121nv150, y ademas ni comprobé a que frecuencias me trabajan sin OC.
Un Saludo…
Bien, es correcto. Si te fijas en las gráficas, el GPU clock ha sufrido algún pequeño pico, el consumo ya está al límite y no se puede hacer nada más sin quitar esa limitación de la bios. Yo no soy ningún "overclocker" serio. ELP3 o Jotele, por ejemplo, saben mucho más que yo de estos temas.
No te comas más la cabeza y ponte a jugar, que te va ha dar algo ;D
Saludos
Mas quisiera saber yo la mitad que el amigo ELP3, lo que pasa es que me gusta sacarle todo el rendimiento posible hasta al último centimo que me gasto en hard, si está ahí porque no utilizarlo…....... ;).
Bueno y un bencheo y verte en el Hall of Fame, de vez en cuando tambien agrada.........xD.
Un Saludo...
Al final esta mañana he pillado un par de vuelos y a media mañana en casita, comida y montaje de RL.
Pepillo las mías si que estan frescas, esta imagen es después de 6 unigine seguidos.
Temperaturas en idle: entre 20 y 21º C.
De serie ( son SC no las normales)entre 30 y 31ºC y de ahi no pasan.
Los voltjes me bajaban a 1,13V, ahora se quedan en 1,16V ( todo de estricta serie) lo cual me imagino que podrán subir más sin tocar BIOS. Ahora me toca recoger todo que tengo encima de la mesa, si lugo puedo quizas las pruebe a subir como hice el domino pasado sin tocar el volataje aver si han ganado, aunque supongo que si:!
Vaya temperaturas majo, impresionantes, que bloques metiste al final los EK?, como tienes el circuito??
Yo al final compré los Koolance, son los que mas me llamaron la atención, y al comentar eso de los condensadores al aire de los XXL, no me lo pensé dos veces. Te leí eso de los R22, estos los traían al aire, aunque llevan su hueco en el bloque. Así que después de dos horas de darle vueltas a la tarjeta desnuda, probando combinaciones, para ver como podía ponerle pad´s, encontré la combinación perfecta, los dejo disipados y el resto de componentes no se alteran.
Aún las tengo encima de la mesa, espero poder terminarlas esta noche aunque no sé si me dará tiempo…
Por cierto y aprovecho para preguntarte tu opinión sobre esta fuente:
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified
Con las gráficas con un leve OC y el 3930 a 4,9, se iba el equipo a 1100W, así que como quiero estar tranquilo y la Enermax que tengo tiene ya 5 añitos, no me la quiero jugar. La he comprado. Me llega hoy, me ha encantado que traiga dos juegos de cables enfundados, y el sof de control de la psu, ademas es configurable; mas potencia, un solo rail, todo con switch.Vamos a mi me ha encantado. Pero tenía ganas de saber tu opinión, ya que una vez hablamos sobre la Enermax Platimax, que era mi elegida hasta que me enamoré de esta.
Gracias por anticipado,
Un Saludo…
