Car change, doubts about consumption…

[Franziskaner]

And the price differences in the revisions?

[krampak]

I read that the servicing, insurance and road tax are cheaper on the TSI than on the TDI, points for the TSI in this aspect…

[whoololon]

First of all, have you sat in a Seat Leon?
I found it to be a very narrow cabin car, which almost forces you to stick your left elbow out the window, with a very poor rear view and poorly corrected blind spots.

Nowadays, cars are practically the same under the hood, and I can assure you that the only reliable figures are the ones you get once you've bought the car.
For 12,000 km a year, without a trailer or half-loaded, with Spain's maximum roads and speeds, believing that you need more than 90 hp is just a whim. :sisi:

You're going to get rid of a car that, as you mention, has never given you a problem, and in my opinion, I think you should use it as a reference for your next car.

As alternatives, you can play it safe with the VW Golf 2.0 140hp PDF, or stick with the brand that has served you so well, Citroën DS4 HDi 160 Sport. The Alfa Giulietta is also a good option, a bit "flighty" for my taste... (which I think is a "lady's car" if you'll excuse me), but elegant.
You think that it doesn't matter, that one day is one day and you only live once, or that cars with less than 150 hp should be sold in the "toisarás", then you have the Volvo C30 Kinetic D4 (177hp) or the Renault Mégane Coupé dCi 160hp.
All of these are (or should be) below 26,000 euros.

And the usual thing, the best thing is to go to the dealership, let them leave you alone or put two plugs in so that whoever wants to sell it to you doesn't distract you, and sit in the car as if you were going to take it home right away. And numbers, lots of numbers and a cool head, because between taxes, insurance and price increases in fuel... ;D

And of course, health to enjoy it.

Edit: Oh hell, if what you were asking is what's good about the TDS engine. :wall:
Well, I leave the above, that will be of some use to someone.
The TDS is a direct injection engine to which a turbo and a volumetric compressor have been coupled, which leads us to the fact that it is intended for high and sustained revolutions. A motor for sporty driving, in short.
In very simple terms, it uses air to increase power, in this case in two ways: the volumetric compressor is responsible for increasing (by overpressure) the volume of air that (in diesel engines as is the case) must be compressed by the piston. The turbo does more or less the same thing, but with less pressure. The difference between one and the other is that, while the turbo uses the exhaust gases for its operation, the compressor uses part of the engine's energy to move, which takes away some of its power. Obviously, until sufficient revolutions are reached so that the emissions make the turbo work optimally, we must be relying on the compressor.
At low speeds it is not as outstanding, even somewhat worse than simpler systems, because of the compressor, but considering that this will be in urban sections, I don't think it matters much to its owners. That said, at "happy" speeds (where the turbo's output compensates for the loss, which is not that much, of the compressor) it can be a very interesting engine to consider, as long as the power/consumption ratio is one of the best.
That said, with the same engine, there can be significant differences in power from one car to another, and this is due to several reasons, mainly the configuration of the intercooler, which is responsible for cooling the air that must be introduced into the cylinder (the lower the temperature, the less volume and therefore more air for the same price).
Wow, what a brick. Sorry. <:(

[Yorus]

@packosoft:

In short, buy the one you feel like xDDD

I'll stick with this

I think it's a matter of letting you try them out and seeing how you feel, because the economic aspect doesn't seem crucial if you're only driving a few miles.

Another thing is that we never know what could change our lives. I bought an Ibiza TDI because I was driving a lot for work, and within two years I stopped dealing with incidents 'on site' and always stayed in the company building. Now, with the car already paid off, I'm very happy with the diesel, even though I prefer petrol.

[Bm4n]

Diesel won't make you consume that much normally, I assure you, anyway you'll save more than with gasoline. I haven't tried the TSI but they must be fine, and gasoline is gasoline especially for a powerful car it seems like a better option, but there are also people who are very happy with diesel engines vs gasoline.

[Fassou]

A mileage point of view, a diesel is better, but unfortunately modern diesels are usually muzzled by FAP filters and EGR valves, which take away many horses from their technical specifications for the sake of the environment.

That being said, those candidates coming from a 70hp HDi, might be getting out of hand;D

Best regards!

[garfield]

In my ignorance I tell you that my wife's Yaris, which they say averages 6.2 liters is really 7.5, and on gasoline in the end both my Carina and hers we are putting 98 and the consumption, for example in my car has gone from 9 to 8 liters.
More than the consumption I would look at the issue of maintenance, because in the end it is the same as the issue of lasers vs. ink jet.

[krampak]

we are putting 98 in it and the consumption, for example in my car has gone from 9 to 8 liters

It comes out practically at the same price for 1000km (131€ with 95 and 126€ with 98), but I read that being turbo and according to the compression ratio of the engine the improvement can be accentuated.
Tomorrow I will try to look for a dealership that has both models (with luck one with DSG that I also want to try XD) and see if I can clear up my doubts :ugly:

[garfield]

Well, you'll have to tell us so we can get our hopes up

[Bm4n]

The DSG seems very expensive to me and a lot of extra weight, for a sports car I wouldn't take it, for comfort without a doubt. Of all, right now if I were looking for a lion I would expect the ST to come out soon, I like big rears hehe.

[krampak]

What do you think about the wheels? I put the 18" ones directly in the configurator because they are much more attractive aesthetically than the standard ones (17" and simple) but I am seeing that it increases consumption between half and 1 liter, in addition to going with 40 profile and having to be more careful with the potholes… it is a shame that they do not have other 17" models as well as they give you 2 options in 18". In addition there is the price of the tires..
Bm4n the ST goes much faster xD Regarding the DSG, yesterday they took me in a Golf grd tdi of 184 with DSG and it is incredible how smooth it goes, the weight is 24kg of difference and the acceleration according to the specifications is faster in the DSG despite the extra weight, with the advantage of not having to let go of both hands of the steering wheel at any time, really I do not know what gives you more sportiness (considering that I would go with the gears xD).

[Yorus]

Look at the price of each wheel size in case you need to change them (the diesel would eat more wheels per weight and torque), if I spend more than 400€ when I need to change tires, and only with 16", I don't know how much those will be.

[whoololon]

Man, I don't know much about the tire thing.
But basically, to sum it up in one point, it's the only safety element whose maintenance and effectiveness depends exclusively on the user.
As you rightly point out, changing a car's tires isn't cheap, and you shouldn't (always within reasonable limits) haggle on this aspect. That being said, look for ones that won't be a pain when you have to replace them.

Avoid, as much as possible, getting into whether one size has greater acceleration, or top speed, than another, and choose the one you think best suits your driving style.

… oh no, of nothing.

:lol:

!
Apart from that, you can always go for second brands and affiliates, even pushing it, if you're not going to reach 190, you can go down to mounting some U or T.
Being strict with the current speed limits in Spain, N would be enough (you have to bear in mind that the legislation allows for a reading error in the speedometer of +-7%, not reaching 10, so M would be very tight). There are very apprehensive people with their money who use this data to save a few euros on changing tires, and it should be clarified that we will be able to pass the ITV (Spanish ITV, a vehicle inspection) without any problems.

Edit: Here I put a page with a lot of information about tires. … it looks weird, doesn't it?

[Yorus]

Since I opened the Pandora's box of tires, here is what I found.

These are the specific specifications of the rims for a Leon FR TSI with 180hp:

Rim of 17 -> 225/45 R17 91W
Rim of 18 -> 225/40 R18 92Y

And the prices on an online tire website choosing the same brand and model:

PILOT SPORT 3 225/45 R17 91 Y > 121.38€
PILOT SPORT 3 225/40 R18 92 Y > 138.74€

• VAT is included in this case -

The examples I gave are Y for both, but the standard one for 17 is W. And it is for 300km/h, a bit exaggerated.

Anyway, my conclusion is that it is not a huge price difference, and the issue of the profile and the rims will depend on where you drive and how careful you are.

[Bm4n]

I don't know, I drive my car a lot and I've hit potholes and curbs and with my small rims like nothing, with some bigger ones... Now, as for being pretty, 18 inch ones look great, although 17 inch ones are also quite big and you can save a few euros on tires besides having less risk of bending them.

[krampak]

Well in the end I have decided to go for the TDI, tomorrow I will go to see the last dealership (the biggest one) to see how it is. For now I have differences of 1500€ between one and the other, in none of them do they have the 184cv model, all have the 150 one (which has another type of rear suspension), so if I tried it it would probably have to be that other model, but I think I will already have a good idea :ugly:

[packosoft]

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a mi con el de los 2 chevrones :troll:, me pedian en la citroen 250€ por goma (17" 215x50), lo mas barato que las encontré fueron 320€ la pareja.
Ahora en el nuevo ya me esta dando miedito el dia que toque cambiarle los patucos, con 17" y unas 245/40 atras y 225/45 delante…

[krampak]

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Hombre, en la Seat no iré a cambiarlos… ya me "timaron" una vez en la Citroen con el C2, 150€ por neumático (175/65/14) cuando por el mismo precio en una cadena conocida tenia la pareja al mismo precio (que es donde los cambié la siguiente vez). 225/45 voy a llevar yo en las 4 ahora, he estado mirando y salen por unos 130€-180€ la pieza según la marca.