6th Gen Intel Core…SkyLake the force is a churro in you

[Espinetenbolas]

There is so much hype for some microprocessors that perform the same or worse according to the test as Haswell.

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I have seen several reviews and after seeing the one from el chapuzas a couple of things have become clear to me:

• Supporting DDR4 only serves to make the platform more expensive.
• The improvements over Haswell are slight and in some specific tests.
• Moving from 22 to 14nm has not been noticed… rather the opposite since its TDP is higher and OC requires the same or higher voltage as Devil's Canyon.

It is true that many reviews analyze DDR3 at 1600Mhz vs. DDR4 at 2133 (nominal speeds) and the differences are more accentuated due to bandwidth but at the same speed it seems that the current Intel Core architecture can no longer give more of itself.

AMD is lagging behind and light years behind, which results in this kind of thing :ffu:

On the other hand, it really seems that we are reaching technological limits that are difficult to overcome unless you spend a lot of money... something that Intel will not do because it is a company listed on the stock exchange and seeks to maximize profits when distributing dividends... and that is very easy when you have no one who can wet your ear :wall:

[Fassou]

So DDR4 with higher bandwidth, but it's really barely noticeable :facepalm:

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[charlipokerface]

I really hope for a big leap with cheap processors and the evolution of AMD and its Zen architecture with respect to Intel, I think they care more about energy consumption because in performance, the 10% they offer every 2 years for their high price in an economy that is increasingly unfavorable for consumers.

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[cobito]

Rather, I would say that it is the technological limits. Intel has been releasing micros since 2006 that have been surpassed almost generation after generation despite the fact that AMD has not been able to keep up all this time.

Note that in the Tick-Tock strategy, for the first time, there will be two tocks in a row. Until now, it was possible to offer better performance with new models at the same price, but the physical limits are making it possible to continue offering better performance, but no longer at the same price.

It is likely that in a short time, each new generation will cost more than the previous one and, as Espinetenbolas has said, we will have to see how Intel steers this issue to maximize profits, which could translate into a stagnation in the performance of affordable micros (a few hundred euros).

[Espinetenbolas]

I believe Intel is following its roadmap but without investing more than necessary because it has no competition.

Obviously, as a private company, it can do whatever it wants... but that's not the point, but that doesn't change the fact that it has been selling remakes for two or three generations.

The only substantial improvement comes from the integrated graphics, but that barely interests the gamer or professional user... we all want more Gflops... more bandwidth... more Mhz if possible... more power.

From my point of view, performance per core has stagnated and the power improvement only seems possible if the number of cores is increased... which is what Intel will do in the high-end range with the Broadwell-E

On the other hand, AMD has announced that its ZEN only increases computing power by 40%, so it seems unlikely that it will get close enough to Intel to force them to lower prices.

I believe the big leap will come when high-density HBM memory starts to be used in micros and the number of cores skyrockets.

In the meantime, the only thing we will have are remakes with slight improvements and reductions in the scale of integration, and I say this with regret because AMD won't be able to force Intel to do anything else.

[Ironpit]

The limits are being set by silicon, it is becoming more and more complicated to reduce manufacturing processes and at the same time increase performance, which is why work is already underway on other materials for micros, in any case this is also a race to nowhere, Haswell was already more than enough for what is coming in the next few years and Skylake when it is improved and implements the improvements in DDR4 I venture to say that they are more than capable micros for the next 5-7 years and even more so when the gamer trend is more GPU-dependent than CPU-dependent (except for a few cases), the bad thing is that we want improvements of at least 30%, micros at 5ghz from stock and that when you turn off the pc C3po comes out to cook and clean the house.

Friends this is not the case, Haswell was already formula 1 and Skylake is also formula 1 but in formula 1 the performance from one season to another is that 10% until someone finds a boom that in this case is possibly graphene

In any case Intel has already said it, the future is processors at lower frequencies (although personally I believe they will remain at 3.2-3.5) and more energy efficient.

Of course this is what I see and everyone has their opinion.

[Espinetenbolas]

The limits in manufacturing have always been set by silicon

Graphene? It could be but it is too unstable and complex-expensive to implement for mass production.

There are other ways to improve performance as I have mentioned that consist of improving the bandwidth that communicates RAM and CPU… for example high-density HBM memory, or more channels,... for example.

But of course... and the manufacturers RAM assemblers?

Or expanding the calculation capacity of the floating-point unit… yes, it is true that with each new refrito of new GEN it is improved by 4 or 7% but in return it turns out that they also go up less Mhz... so you stay almost the same :llorar:

As I say Intel has no competition at the moment... it has a FALSE competitor that is selling practically the same CPUs as 4 or 5 years ago.

Silicon will have some limits but it is clear that without competition you spend just enough so that everything is profit and improvements require minimal investment... that leads us to the current panorama of almost stagnation and sale of refritos at a gold price.

Another issue is also that DDR4 is not yet mature and from the end of this year... add 6 or 7 months and they will start to come out cucumber kits (or so SAMSUNG said)... that will mean a substantial improvement in performance in some applications or in other words the CPU can be better utilized at the same speed.

In summary, it is true that performance per Mhz increases but it is a trap increase if you consider that they go up less Mhz when doing OC.

[whoololon]

+1
Without competitors, the consequence is stagnation, which is great for amortizing a team and not having to see a new socket every year. :ugly:

[vilok]

Really the improvements from the i7. 2600k to the i7 6700k are minimal, it reminds me of the marketing of PCI 2.0 and 3.0 that made AMD and Intel look green as innovators. To say that everything is a farce and a con is ddr 4, pci 3.0, minimal improvements.
Just like the comparison of the FX with the i7, friends, we are talking about FX comparable in single core to an i5 for less price that eats up in multitasking.
So on the part of intel, to say that to sell is good but to deceive the user also and not to compare it with an i7 for less than half the price, almost the same performance +10 to this post.

[JuezDred]

In a private forum inside amd. Last night we were talking about pcie 4.0 that is coming out in a year. And how it would affect zen. Which comes implemented with 3.0 the answer was… the architecture is open. Each module of the processor can be changed to bring out an improved version of the same processor almost without adding production cost. What amd has planned is a soc that depending on demand will vary as the market moves.