Sharkoon VG5-V Noctua NH-14 case

[kyle_katarn]

Hello everyone.
I wanted to ask if anyone has any knowledge about whether the noctua tocho would fit in the sharkoon vg5-v case.

From the height it seems like it would, because the case specifications say coolers up to 16cm, like the noctua, my doubt is about the length.

And I'm going to tell the whole story to see if you can come up with another solution besides the one I'm making up.

Right now I have an nzxt hush case and I have a hell of a lot of cables in there, because I have quite a few disks and it's all packed in.

Recently I upgraded from a quad core to an i7 and plugged in the noctua, which fits by the skin of my teeth, but in addition the case is quite cramped and there's no way to improve the situation, so ALL the hot air stays around the case when it comes out of it, to the point that when I'm rendering and doing 3D stuff, if you touch the top plate over the processor area, you get burned, and right there is where the external hard drive falls, to make matters worse…

The first solution was to reverse the airflow of the fans (This guy is crazy! you'll say). The rear one brings air in from above and the front one blows it out from below, it's not natural, but the front one already spits out hot air, and the temperature inside has dropped a bit.

SpeedFan doesn't give me temperature alerts, at idle everything is around 36-37 except the graphics card which goes up to 47 or so, but I think things could be better and the airflow would be cleaner, but since everything is full of cables, it's a mess.

I bought some delta fans from 4000 rpm on aliexpress to replace the ones I have and to force the reverse airflow even more.
I've heard them running and they sound like a damn jet plane, which I don't like at all, but the idea is not to keep them at 4000 all the time, rather to find the speed that makes them work well as extractors and lower the temperature a bit more this way.

And depending on how I see things, I'll get the Sharkoon VG5-V or W case, I'd prefer the V, because it has side fans that would already be good for bringing in more fresh air.

You'll tell me to get a bigger and more spacious case, but because of the space where the case is, it can't be more than 43 or 44 cm tall, and there's not much variety in that size that allows 16cm radiators, have the power supply at the bottom, which is also penalizing my current cable management, and also be ATX format.

The thing is that in the current case, the nzxt hush, the noctua cooler and the rear fan are practically touching and it's quite difficult to maneuver in there.
The sharkoon case is quite tight and I wouldn't like to find out that the package doesn't fit.

I know that the position of the processor on the motherboard influences all this, it's an asrock z97 pro4, so I'd like to ask if anyone has or has seen this case in person, and if they know more or less the space that the rear fan occupies in this case.

Oops, sorry for the rant!!, I hope someone can enlighten me or if you can think of another solution I'd be open to hearing other options that I haven't thought of.

Cheers!!

[whoololon]

What horizontal space do you have?

Edit: And if you put the exact dimensions (height*width), then we can figure it out. ;D

[kyle_katarn]

Do you say space for the box?
Well depth about 50-51cm, width 22-23cm and height, which is the most critical 43-44cm

And the box can't have USB and audio ports above because there would be 2 cm between the sheet and the shelf of a ledge that is above... Yes, everything is easy, I know...

And I'm going to blow it up with some photos of the situation so that everything is clearer, although the photos are a P--- M-----

[whoololon]

Juer… :susto:

Well, I'll tell you in advance that, always according to the manufacturer's specifications, the NH-14 (I assume it will be the NH D14) measures 160 mm with the fan.
Those Sharkoon ones have a maximum limit of 160 mm.

You have the Silverstone Precision PS11 USB 3.0, dimensions 215.3mm (width) x 426.5mm (height) x 481.5mm (depth) and a maximum cooler height limit of 161 mm. (I would recommend the W model and replace the acrylic panel with a metal grille panel) and also the Thermaltake Commander MS-I Snow Edition, with dimensions 426.0 x 202.0 x 484.0 mm and a maximum cooler height limit of 170 mm.

Respect as much as possible 5 to 7 cm. on the left side and 10 to 12 cm. on the back. :sisi:

[kyle_katarn]

Thanks!!, I didn't have those two cases listed, I'll look them up to see what they cost, because the budget is also tight…:rollani::rollani:

I already had the maximum cooler size for the sharkoon under control, I don't think there will be a problem there, I'm worried about the distance between the rear fan and the noctua, which is indeed the NH-D14.

Watching videos and thinking for a while, maybe that fear is unfounded and I'll end up the same in any case, I'll explain myself to see if I'm right.

The distance from the backplate to the top left screw of the motherboard should be standard, so that all the boards fit in all the cases.
Therefore, the distance from the processor to the backplate is the same in all cases for the same board.
And if all 12 fans are 25mm deep, in any case I'll end up with the same setup as I have now in that area.

[whoololon]

Indeed, the back dimensions usually vary from the plate bracket to the front.

I estimate that this heatsink, mounted on this plate, should be at a distance between 10 and 15 mm from the rear fan of the tower.

The airflow of the NH D14 fan (taking the 120 mm model) ranges between 63.4 m³/h (37.3 CFM) and 92.3 m³/h (54.3 CFM). The only thing that matters, apart from the fact that there is no contact, is that the airflow of the rear fan is greater. And always continuing the flow of the heatsink. :wall:

[kyle_katarn]

I'm referring from the back of the plate to the back of the case, where the rear fan is located. I think that distance is pretty standard.

The noctua's airflow is perpendicular to the rear fan's... and the heatsinks can only be placed in a specific way in the socket, so although the ideal is to get all the hot air out around it, blowing in a blast of fresh air wouldn't hurt either.

The monster looks like this from the inside

And the flow is from top to bottom.
The distance between the rear fan and the cooler is about 3.5 cm, which is more than I remembered.
Between the power supply and the cooler fan there's nothing but a sheet of paper, the power supply at the bottom would also help lower the temperature.

As you can see in the other photo, if I put the natural flow, as the air should go, it all stays there accumulated at the bottom and the wood keeps the heat nicely, to make matters worse, the temperature increases a lot.:wall:

When you turn it around and go against nature, it's hard to believe, but things have improved, we'll see if with the faster fans that are on the way it improves more, I suppose it will, because what I need are not normal fans that circulate the air, I need to convert the system into an extractor and force the hot air to come out in front of the case.

One thing I was looking for in the cases was that they had two front fans, because that way the top one is closer to the hot air and extracts it more easily and the silverstone comp, besides having two USB 3.0 in front which also makes me tilt the idea, since I have a front with two of 2.0 and with 4 I have the connectivity I need, so the candidate case has become the silverstone, thanks!!:sisi::sisi:

Let's see if the fans from chinolandia arrive, they've already been 12 days and are still in great britain :ffu::ffu:

[whoololon]

Man, you'll definitely notice an improvement as soon as you stop having the cooler on top and have (if you decide on one of the two models I mentioned) an open intake from the top. Good idea to change the fan flow (I messed up with my Z77 :verguen: ), you could have even opened the left panel. As for the price, none of them reaches 55 €. As I said before, I'm more than sure you'll notice the change right away. Edit: I was bugged by the vertical cooler thing and, indeed,

I guess it was a problem of the little space in the tower.

[kyle_katarn]

Yes, I have also tried opening the left panel, but it does not help, the air escapes and stays there accumulated.
Closing the box forces the movement of the air.

I will already tell you how it goes with the fast fans.

Thank you very much for the help.

[Sylver]

I'm with whoololon, I have that Noctua, and the most effective formula is to mount it horizontally with the air circuit facing backwards.

I understand about the piece of furniture that's preventing the air from coming out, but it would be almost more profitable for you to rotate the case 90 degrees counterclockwise on itself vertically, creating a lateral airflow with respect to the furniture, which for sure, by redistributing the pedals of the simulator and moving the rest a little, will fit and you will gain a lot of efficiency in the system, instead of having to make a strange mess with the fans in a thousand different ways.

Personally, I would prioritize the arrangement of the case over everything else, it's a matter of principle :chuckles:

Regards

[kyle_katarn]

But the heatsinks can only be placed in a specific way on the socket, right? So I couldn't rotate it.

Rotating the tower is also a pain, because if I put the back of the case facing right, first of all the cables don't reach or they barely reach, they get tangled and the front of the case becomes useless for plugging things into the USB, operating the CD or manipulating the power and reset buttons.

I've also considered that option, but as you can see it's not very practical.

If you tell me that I can rotate the cooler on the processor by 90 degrees, what I'll do is put it so that it follows the reverse flow that I've set up and helps to expel the air to the front.

I know it's the strangest and worst thing at first glance, but for now the changes I'm making are working for me.

I think I'm going to get the silverstone case already and I'm not going to wait for the delta fans to arrive, because I had one reserved in a store and it's already sold out, Black Friday is playing me :risitas: :risitas:

[krampak]

But the heatsinks can only be placed in a specific way on the socket, right? So I couldn't rotate it.

No. I've had my Noctua placed in 2 positions (horizontal and vertical). Depending on how the anchor works, some only have 1 position.

[whoololon]

As I already mentioned, I believe you will notice a radical change once you change the tower. You will be able to place fans and heatsink however you like (always within the care needed to place that heatsink correctly), but it will no longer be out of necessity. :sisi:

Keep in mind that the one you have is from 2007, the hardware of that era did not need the dissipation of what you have mounted inside: a power supply blowing hot air onto the micro heatsink, and this in turn blowing hot air onto the graphics card. All of this in a case with more than limited air intakes.
We will agree that it is not the ideal configuration. :ugly:

[Espinetenbolas]

@krampak:

some do only have 1 position.

That only happens with AMD… the Intel socket has what is known as DOUBLE SYMMETRY.

Another thing is that high RAM clashes with the fins and you can only place the heatsink in one parallel position.

As for the case... in principle, unless it has fans on the side, there is usually no problem with the NOCTUA... because they respect the standard size of most ATX cases.

The Phanteks and I think other models do go a bit beyond those measurements and do not fit in many cases but the NOCTUA do... I tell you.

[kyle_katarn]

Well I've searched a bit more and seeing that the Z77 extreme 4 have the socket in the same position as my Z97 pro 4, this one that I'm going to turn over right now :sisi::sisi:

I don't think it will touch because it's already mounted on the memories and it didn't touch, at least...

The fans are already appearing supported in the email tracking :D:D

As soon as the coolmod website loads and I see if they put a discount on the case, I'm going to buy it.

Thanks to everyone for the comments.

[kyle_katarn]

First of all, thank you all for your help.

The box arrived on Friday at noon, everything is fine, cool box, light because it has some plastic parts, but it's okay. :risitas:
I thought about waiting for the fans from China to arrive to start assembling everything, but what the heck!! :D:D
That afternoon I got into the job, and when everything seemed perfect, problems started and all because of the same individual, the damn Noctua, the day I opened the box I got scared and I was right… ¬¬¬¬

The case fits well from the height, the problem is with the width and length, in no position and with no configuration of the two fans it comes with, the big guy doesn't fit.
Neither with the flow backwards or forwards, nor up or down. :ffu::ffu:

It doesn't fit. :wall::wall::wall::wall:

Well, let's try to sacrifice one Noctua fan to see how we do it....
And we did it, in the end it worked with the flow upwards and only with the middle fan, because there's no space to put the other one and therefore no space to put the two top fans of the case :nono::nono:

This morning the Chinese fans arrived and I had to fight a bit, because I forgot that the 4-pin ports only regulate with PWM, I thought they also regulated 3-pin fans, but that's not the case.

So I had to rewire the fans and in fact I had to extend the front cable to be able to take it to a connector that is on the back of the case where the only two 3-pin connectors are, one for each Chinese :rolleyes:, the others since they go to 1000 and a little, I have them at full speed, they don't make noise compared to the Chinese ones that I have around 2000.

The configuration ended up like this:

Here you can see the comparison of width between a normal fan and the Chinese one, it's quite thick :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The little beast is now in its place and everything is much cooler

Speedfan gives me the graphics at 39 and the rest around 30, the CPU is at 38, but with the paste recently put on, I still hope that in a few days it will drop a few more degrees.
Radical change from the 36-37 and 47 I had before.

So I'm quite satisfied with the idea of bringing all the air to the front.

That's it, many thanks to all, you guys are great

[whoololon]

When you say you've tried it in every possible way and it won't fit, I believe you, but maybe you haven't thought about removing the rear fan from the case. It doesn't matter much now, but when the heat arrives you should consider it. What a pain that card is and how thick the rear fan is.

In any case, I'm glad it improved with a relatively small investment. ;D

By the way, what card is it?

[kyle_katarn]

I did try it without the rear fan. With the vertical flow if it fell ventilated above, it didn't come in from above and if it fell below it didn't come in with the graphics. With the horizontal flow, as you put in the photo, the fins catch with the graphics. I tried everything, I got up at about 8:30 pm or so and finished at 2 am and without dinner :ffu::ffu: My card is an asrock z97 Pro4 http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97%20Pro4/index.es.asp