Looking for speakers or studio monitors

[Sylver]

@Kernel1.0:

Perdón Yorus por sacar otro tema.
Yo tenia una minicadena JVC del año de la castaña y la tenia conectada al ordenador por que los altavoces se oían de lujo, el tema es que dejo de funcionar y un amplificador para esos altavoces me cuesta mas que unos altavoces auto amplificados. Ahora vuestros comentarios me han hecho recordar esos altavoces y los añoro, ¿alguien sabe como los podría hacer funcionar sin que me cueste una pasta?

Hombre, si era una minicadena poco potente, con cualquier amplificadorucho baratero de pocos vatios te valdrá, con mirar qué potencia tenía la minicadena y ajustarse a eso te valdría. Si no, con una simple minicadena de segunda mano (hay muchísimas tiradas de precio, o equipos de música antiguos de los 90) se los conectas, le metes el conector del PC por auxiliar y a correr.

Yo hace poco estuve a nada de pillar un equipito de música viejuno de los 90 por milanuncios, desde 20€ los hay, y todos tienen una potencia decente en el amplificador que incorporan. La única pega es que viene todo en una pieza normalmente. Los buenos son los que venían por secciones, donde podías separar el ampli del lector de discos y demás, pero eran normalmente más caros (y de mayor calidad, obviamente).

@Yorus:

Vamos a ir parte por parte (viva el multiquote!)

Ya en casa he podido tomar medidas. En mi mesa caben altavoces bien grandotes, pero a costa de quitar cosas y comerme mucha mesa. Los altavoces que había mirado son estos, que algunos superan poco poco los 14cm de ancho y eso me lo puedo permitir en cuanto a espacio:

Woxter Dynamic Line DL-420 - https://www.amazon.es/Woxter-Dynamic-Line-DL–410/dp/B00GO1M458/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470151710&sr=8-1&keywords=woxter+dl-410
Estos tienen muy buena fama porque dicen que son unos Trevi remarcados pero a mitad de precio. Dicen que tienen buen sonido y mal acabado, pero insuperables por su precio. Son comedidos de tamaño, porque los datos de Amazon están mal, porque ponen los del embalaje, las medidas reales son 23x18x13 (redondeando).

Hercules XPS 60 DJ Set - https://www.amazon.es/Hercules-4780691-Monitores-estudio-altavoces/dp/B0086E1394/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1470152128&sr=1-1&keywords=hercules+xps+60
Estos me llaman la atención y tienen lo que pido pero no se que tal serán. De tamaño están bien. Antes de los Logitech tuve unos Hercules baratuchos de madera que me sorprendieron en cuanto a definición de sonido, aunque no en cuanto a graves, pero esto es otra gama superior. Los míos murieron :nono:

Alesis Elevate 3 - https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B009ELKA6U/ref=s9_simh_gw_g23_i1_r?pf_rd_m=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=KHVRY9YFBN97N8Y3857X&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=6d8f0343-6251-45c8-9899-ea554850c331&pf_rd_i=desktop
Mirando por webs parecen ser bastante buenos dentro de su gama. De tamaño andan al límite y les falta entrada para una segunda fuente de audio.

Edifier Studio R1280T - https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B00GBN50SC/ref=s9_simh_gw_g23_i2_r?pf_rd_m=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=KHVRY9YFBN97N8Y3857X&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=6d8f0343-6251-45c8-9899-ea554850c331&pf_rd_i=desktop
Otros que andan al límite de tamaño y de precio, pero los veo recomendados por todos lados, hasta a Obione en N3D ;D.

Y la verdad es que viendo como quedarían los diferentes altavoces por tamaño cada vez me convencen más los Creative que has puesto, de los que también he oído cosas buenas, pero no se como en comparación de los otros. Imagino que la caja le limitará en cuanto a graves, pero en las opiniones que leo en todos lados nadie dice que flojee en eso.

He tenido cerca varios equipos de sonido Creative desde niño, y la verdad puedo decir que responden maravillosamente en entornos de escritorio, incluso sorprenden en gamas de 5.1 ganando a algunos home cinema bien montados.

De esos monitores que has puesto confío en Woxter, porque ya he tenido equipos de sonido de esa marca y me han dejado muy buenas impresiones, son potentes, aunque flaquean en bastantes frecuencias, pero para uso doméstico eso no es muy relevante.

Cierto es que los Edifier tienen buenas críticas y parece ser que suenan decentemente; personalmente no he tenido ningunos, aunque podría apuntar (únicamente en base a opiniones de terceros) que en cuanto a calidad de materiales dejan un poco que desear, porque aunque aparentemente se ven sólidos, el tuiter y el woofer no son distintos a los de unos altavoces de minicadena doméstica cualquiera. Eso sí, tienen un mejor diseño obviamente, que hace que rindan mucho más y mejor.

¡Saludos!

[Yorus]

Well, between your comments, which I value a lot since you are involved in that little world, and the space that studio monitors would take up, I am almost decided on the Creative ones, which you have also tried several models of.

Up until now, I have only had the first Trust ones (they didn't sound bad), the Hercules (clean sound but without bass), these Logitech ones (they are not bad, to be honest, but I want to improve) and a 2.1 Logitech that I sold because the subwoofer could not be adjusted and the bass affected my mood and gave me headaches. In short, I have not had anything above 30€ except for a period with the mini-chain Pioneer, but I have that in the living room for movies and I would not change it for anything.

Of the Creative ones, compared to the Logitech ones, I am more confident that they have a separate tweeter, because the Logitech ones have two speakers but of the same diameter, and the volume of the box is larger, which surely helps with the bass.

Thanks again! ;D

[Sylver]

@Yorus:

Well, between your comments that I value a lot since you are involved in that little world, and the space that studio monitors would take, I am almost decided for the Creative ones, which you have also tried several models.

So far I have only had the first Trust ones (they didn't sound bad), the Hercules (clean sound but without bass), these Logitech ones (they are not bad, to be honest, but I want to improve) and a 2.1 Logitech that I sold because the sub could not be regulated and the bass affected my mood and gave me a headache. That is, I haven't had anything above 30€ except for a period with the mini-chain Pioneer, but I have that in the living room for movies and I wouldn't change it for anything.

Of the Creative ones compared to the Logitech ones, I am more confident that it has a separate tweeter, because the Logitech ones have two speakers but of the same diameter, and that the volume of the box is greater, which surely helps with the bass.

Thanks again! ;D

You're welcome, that's what we are for :sisi:

However, if it's not urgent, wait to see if any other colleague wants to contribute something, you never know if there is a better option on the market, I personally think that those Creative ones will cover your needs perfectly and give you a lot of joy, but I am not up to date with absolutely all the models and their prices, here the offers and the novelties fly!

Best regards!

[Yorus]

I can still wait a little, it's not in a hurry but I have to order some DDR3 and a few other things and that way I can take advantage of the shipping.

As a curiosity, I tried some Bose Companion 2 Series III at Worten by plugging in my mobile phone and I don't know what would go wrong, but they didn't sound at all clear. At MediaMarkt they have the Woxter DL-410 on display and they wouldn't even turn on :wall:. Maybe it happened to me again, it's not that the outlet where it was wasn't working or they had it disconnected.

Edit: If the Bose are like that I don't understand how they can supposedly give quite good quality. Well, I understand that the ideal thing is to have several cones to reproduce different frequencies as long as they are well filtered:

[Nemo]

I'm going to recommend the speakers that I've been longing for since I first saw them.

They are the Gigaworks T40 series II, the older brothers of the ones that your forum friends have already recommended to you.
The reputation of Creative speakers is true. They really sound good and, although the T20 are very good, these ones are heaven.
The only drawback is that they cost double the price. If you have the opportunity to go to a store where they have them (like Fnac) and listen to them, you'll see how good they sound.

P.D: As the memory of my platonic love has bitten me, I have visited the Creative website and I have seen that they are on offer for just under 100 euros.

[ferelxyx]

@Nemo:

I'm going to recommend the speakers that I've been longing for since I first saw them.

They are the Gigaworks T40 series II, the older brothers of the ones that your forum friends have already recommended to you.
The reputation of Creative speakers is true. They really sound good and, although the T20s are very good, these ones are heaven.
The only drawback is that they cost double. If you have the opportunity to go to a store where they have them (like Fnac) and listen to them, you'll see how good they sound.

P.D: As the memory of my platonic love has bitten me, I have visited the Creative website and I have seen that they are on offer for just under 100 euros.

I think the same, these are great and take up little space, the only bad thing is the price, of course

if you don't want to spend money Woxter Big Bass 95 - 25 euros approx
Creative Gigaworks T20 Series II - Speakers - 64 euros approx

[Yorus]

Thanks guys, I'm getting clearer about the Creative ones, now I'm torn between T20 and T40, hehe. I was surprised by the price on their website for the T40, cheaper than Amazon and with free shipping.

I'm going to take your advice Nemo and I'll go to the nearest Fnac this weekend to see if they have them to try them out. I'll make a selection of music of various types in Flac to analyze them better.

[Yorus]

I just saw a detail of the Creative that I don't like at all, it has an external transformer. With this, the box will gain more volume for the sound, but I hate having transformers all over the place.

[Sylver]

That is becoming more and more common for a reason: if the transformer (or power supply if you want to call it that) fails, the fact that it is separate from the speaker assembly allows for a simple replacement without having to disassemble and gut the speakers themselves, putting the sound system and the precision of the assembly that offers the best possible performance at risk. That, for example, in the self-amplified ones is a disadvantage in the long term, because if one of the sources fails, you have to gut the entire monitor and that seriously jeopardizes its performance, because once opened and tampered with, it is very likely that it will no longer be the same as when it came out of the factory, and that will be noticeable in reverberations, vibrations, definition, etc... That is something to keep in mind, for sure. ¡Greetings!

[Yorus]

To be honest, I've been thinking about it for over an hour, looking through all kinds of forums, and my conclusion is that the T20s are still my first choice. The truth is that my Logitechs look great on my desk, and of all the ones we've put, only the two Creative models would take up more or less the same space, the studio monitors would be real beasts on the table for someone who doesn't work with sound :D.

I have little experience with sound, but I'm a master at organizing and hiding cables and transformers, so I'm sure I'll manage to tidy it up, with the desk clear and with better sound.

The Logitechs still have some life left, they'll go to my parents' house, I have a monitor/TV and I never listen to music because it's 100% lamentable, it's good for podcasts and not much more.

[Yorus]

Today I went to Fnac and then went back to MediaMarkt, the first to see the Creative and the second the Woxter DL-410. Well, at Fnac they didn't even have the Creative in sight, and not a single speaker that could be tested and the ones at MediaMarkt were being renovated, so they had them all grouped together on shelves without plugs.

I think I'm going to wait a couple of weeks, because starting from the weekend that comes up I'm going to be away for 4 days. I'll bring the Amazon app installed with the basket full to place the order for the Creative T20 (if no one convinces me with another option) the day before I return ;D.

[Obione]

I've heard good reviews about the Woxter, but I would only go for the Edifier because of the connections. It has a mini-jack for one source on the 410, against 4 RCA's for 2 sources on the R1280T, and you also get a remote with the 3 magic buttons (+ / - / mute).

[Yorus]

Thanks Obione, the truth is that I have it... less clear

[Yorus]

I keep moving the topic around to see if something that is commented on helps me to make up my mind. For now I rule out the T40s. I don't need much bass, I'll be satisfied if they go down a bit more than mine. So between T20/T40 I go for the former, and because it has never been a good idea to put more cones for the same sound frequency, so they may have more impact, but the quality will be the same. Another duel, Woxter vs Edifier. To what Obione said about the connections (I don't know why I thought the Woxter had an additional input and it doesn't) is added that taking measurements the Edifier are somewhat larger, but they are in the dimensions that least affect me, height and width. The price difference is big, but the feel that one and the other give is also nothing like it. I've searched a lot and I haven't found anyone who has been able to listen to both to compare. And one thing I'm seeing that bothers me. I haven't been able to see the Woxter physically, and I can't find a single store in the Madrid community that has them to go there to buy them. On top of that Madrid Hifi doesn't work with Edifier, which next week I could go to the store.

[Yorus]

Well, I hadn't commented on this because I was waiting to take some photos, but as I'm very busy and my management position seems like the technical department of my company, I'll put them up and say that the speakers have been the lucky ones...

Edifier R1280T

The T20 also convinced me, but between these having dropped to 90€ and not wanting to be left wanting, here they are. They take up more desk space, but not excessively so, and it's clear that they take the sound to another level. For anyone who is addicted to bass, they won't be convincing, but I love them. I haven't tried them on Windows yet, as the X-Fi drivers are better, but as I'm not going to use it much there, I'm in no hurry.

[Nemo]

Well, they look really good.
Let's see if you have some time and you can give us more details about how they sound and some photos to give us an idea of their size.
Now enjoy them.

[JuezDred]

I'm going to install some columns with car speakers. Let's see how it turns out.

[Yorus]

Let me clear the table and show you, I still have some things to update after assembling the Xeon.

[Nemo]

Yorus, I have a question about the connectors and cables that come with the speakers and their connection to the sound card.
Do you include the 3.5mm jack to RCA cables that you need or do you have to buy them separately?
And for those who are more knowledgeable about the subject, any recommendations when buying this type of cable? I mean, is it better if the connectors are gold-plated, or if the cable is of a specific type to minimize quality loss?

[Yorus]

Well, I didn't bother to look at it closely because I thought none were coming and I got something like this but in other sizes:

https://www.amazon.es/KabelDirekt-Coaxial-Conector-Conectores-Metal-Negro/dp/B00FQK4SAM/ref=pd_bxgy_23_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=XR8A28038EB91S5BXY30

And then it turns out that it comes with one jack 3.5 to two RCA and another from 2 RCA to 2 RCA. That said, they are quite normal. I don't know if anything will be noticed, for now no kind of parasite or crackles are getting through to me.