Easy overclocking help for a beginner

[Sylver]

If it is a square block about 4 fingers high at most, it will be the standard one with almost 99% certainty, or an alternative one that is very cheap, placed in an effort to improve cooling but without much knowledge.

60 degrees is not bad at all for the OC it has, although it could/should be less.
But of course, 86 degrees is a dangerous temperature, so if it is stable, either improve the cooling (which is almost certainly what it is) or lower the OC to reduce temperature.

Regards

[lolly]

@Sylver:

If it's a square block about 4 fingers high at most, it will be the standard one almost 99% for sure, or an alternative very cheap one placed in an effort to improve cooling but without much knowledge.

60 degrees is not bad at all for the OC it has, although it could/should be less.
But certainly, 86 degrees is a dangerous temperature, so if it's stable, either improve the cooling (almost certainly that's it) or lower the OC to reduce temperature.

Regards

Right now the overclock is very low, 10 percent, and look at the temperatures I have... I think something I've changed is wrong.
What is the default vcore because I set it to 1.28 (I've been lowering it from 1.30) but I can't find the default value, it shows me the minimum and maximum value but not the original.

Let's see if I can fix it, if not, tomorrow or the day after I'll take some photos of the fan, heatsink and the bios as I left it

[Sylver]

Reset the BIOS, and it will apply the default values.

Because to OC under conditions you need a heatsink and a fan much better than the one that comes with the system, something more efficient in heat dissipation, otherwise it's taking life from the micro, many often fry because of this type of experiment…
Put those photos when you can, we will clear up doubts, although everything points to it being the stock heatsink.

Regards

[lolly]

@Sylver:

Reset the BIOS, and it will apply the default values.

Because to OC in conditions you need a heatsink and a fan much better than the one that comes with it, something more efficient in heat dissipation, otherwise it's taking life from the micro, many usually fry because of this type of experiments…
Put those photos when you can, we will clear up doubts, although everything points to it being the stock heatsink.

Regards

I don't know how to reset it lol, I will continue lowering v core to see and see if I can take photos
thanks

[Sylver]

Easy, you have three ways:

1- By connecting a jumper from the motherboard that is usually next to the BIOS chip or next to the battery. In the legend of the board it will be clearly stated, it usually says CLEAR CMOS.

2- By removing the battery from the motherboard and leaving it for about 5 minutes without it (it is advisable to remove the power from the power supply and press the tower's power button a few times)

3- By entering the BIOS itself and (usually on the right side) selecting the option "Load setup default" or something very similar.

Greetings

[lolly]

@Sylver:

Easy, you have three ways:

1- By connecting a jumper from the motherboard that is usually next to the BIOS chip or next to the battery. In the legend of the plate it will be clearly stated, it usually says CLEAR CMOS.

2- By removing the battery from the motherboard and leaving it for about 5 minutes without it (it is advisable to remove the power from the power supply and press the power button of the tower several times)

3- By entering the BIOS itself and (usually on the right side) selecting the "Load setup default" option or something very similar.

Regards

Thanks I opted for the last option which puts almost everything on auto, enters into windws and I looked at the temperatures, they barely dropped 1 degree at rest approximately, that is to say that either it measures the temperatures wrong or without oc they are more or less the same as with oc, I have raised it a little again and it hardly varies.

Tomorrow I will take some photos and you tell me, in principle if it does not exceed 60 degrees or so when playing I should not have more problems no? I say this because I will be playing this weekend, and I am looking at a decent heatsink, do you recommend any good and economic one?

[Sylver]

Note that coming from being OCed and turned on all the time the temperature hardly varies, it's better to wait a couple of hours for it to reset and cool down completely. Another important detail is the dirt, although I think you mentioned earlier that you cleaned the heatsink.

Leave it with the default BIOS tonight and in the morning start up and check how those temps are.

As for the heatsink this one for example is good: Scythe Katana III SCKTN-3000 Fan/Cooler
Although personally I don't like the design too much, only its price and its performance, so I would build this one, which has a very, very good performance: Scythe Ninja 3 SCNJ-3000 Fan/Cooler

Surely the colleagues agree with me that with something cheaper you can already pass perfectly, besides if it's a mild OC you don't need to invest excessively in a heatsink, although since the equipment itself came out for free, what less than to spend something on keeping it cared for, you can get a lot out of that micro.

PD: I don't know how you have the memories, but it's important that you also have them synchronous with the micro, or in a stable relationship, that is already going to try, but I mention it because I don't know if you are controlling them at the same time.

Regards

[lolly]

@Sylver:

Note that coming from being OCed and turned on all the time, the temperature doesn't change much, so it's better to wait a couple of hours for it to reset and cool down completely. Another important detail is the dirt, although I think you mentioned earlier that you cleaned the heatsink.

Leave it with the default BIOS tonight and start it up tomorrow morning to check how those temps are.

As for the heatsink, this one works well for example: Scythe Katana III SCKTN-3000 Fan/Cooler
Although personally I don't like the design very much, only its price and performance, so I would build this one, which has a very good performance: Scythe Ninja 3 SCNJ-3000 Fan/Cooler

Surely the colleagues agree with me that with something cheaper you can already pass perfectly, besides if it's a mild OC you don't need to invest excessively in a heatsink, although since the equipment itself came out for free, what less than to spend something on keeping it cared for, you can get a lot out of that micro.

PD: I don't know how you have the memory, but it's important that you also have it synchronized with the micro, or in a stable relationship, that's already going to try, but I mention it because I don't know if you're controlling them at the same time.

Regards

Thanks again for your help
I'm going to look at the heatsinks to see if I find those same ones a bit cheaper, I suppose to put them I have to remove one and put another, right? I'm a bit of a newbie…

The computer didn't come out for free hehe I bought it about 4 years ago or so

The issue with the memory is what I'm having the most trouble with, because no matter how many tutorials I read I don't understand anything. I have some DDR2 800 Kingston Hyper X. In the BIOS, as I increase the FSB of the micro, the memory goes up alone, if I have the FSB at stock, the memory is at 800, as I increase it, the memory also goes up alone, if I set the FSB to 400, the memories go over 900 and won't let me enter the values I want, so if I lower it, it goes down to 700 high, looking around the forum I saw some templates for my micro, but they didn't match my memories, if there was any template out there for my micro and with the DDR2 configuration at 800...

On the other hand, I installed the real temp and it seems to mark something less than Everest.

Now with just the forum open it marks

37 37

Distance to tj max

63 63

Minimun

37 37
maximun
42 38

thermal estatus
ok ok

This is with a slight OC, the FSB at 365, the v core at 1.144 and the ram at auto

I edit, as a newbie I had no idea what a heatsink was worth, I thought they were cheaper hehe, the katana, you don't like the design, but otherwise it's good? I don't want to spend more... what's the problem with its design?
By the way is this one cheaper not?
Scythe Katana 3 CPU Cooler, 31.07 Db, Black/Gray, 94 x 108 x 143 mm, 495 g: Amazon.es: Electronics

One last question, can you increase the rpm of the current fan? Is it recommended? So while I get a better one, I can squeeze the most out of the one I have

[Sylver]

But you were given the E8400, weren't you?

For the memories you have to look for the parameter where the synchrony/asynchrony with the FSB is set, for example:

1:1 - Synchronous
1:2 - Asynchronous

This allows the speed of the RAM to be the same as that of the FSB in Mhz (synchronous) or to work in proportion to the division that is applied (1:2, 1:4… asynchronous) thus explained in broad strokes and without details, what matters is to try one way or another to see which gives more performance to the OC, all this is explained in conditions in basic tutorials of OC.

If the memory goes up alone, you probably have it in synchronous mode (1:1) and it will go in parallel with the FSB.

Regarding the heatsinks, the design is not a problem, perhaps for the location of some components in small boxes, but I don't know if that will be your case, it is more personal opinion than anything else.
The Ninja is fine, and yes, it is the same as the one you link.

I suppose that the rpm of the fan can be increased, I don't know if your BIOS will have it by default at maximum, but with some software like Speedfan it can be regulated if your equipment allows it.

Greetings

[lolly]

@Sylver:

But they gave you the E8400, didn't they?

For the memory, you have to look for the parameter where the synchronization/asynchronization with the FSB is set, for example:

1:1 - Synchronous
1:2 - Asynchronous

This allows the RAM speed to be the same as the FSB in Mhz (synchronous) or to work in proportion to the division applied (1:2, 1:4… asynchronous) so explained broadly and without details, what matters is to try one way or another to see which gives more performance to the OC, all this is explained in conditions in basic OC tutorials.

If the memory goes up alone, you probably have it in synchronous mode (1:1) and it will go in parallel with the FSB.

Regarding the heatsinks, the design is not a problem, perhaps for the location of some components in small boxes, but I don't know if that will be your case, it's more personal opinion than anything else.
The Ninja is good, and yes, it's the same one you link.

I suppose that the rpm of the fan can be increased, I don't know if your BIOS will have it by default at maximum, but with some software like Speedfan it can be regulated if your equipment allows it.

Greetings

No, they didn't give it to me, I bought everything where it was cheaper and then a colleague of my uncle at his work assembled it for me charging me for the labor.

So the memory thing is fine if it goes up alone and it's because it's in sync then I'll let it go up, so does an 800 memory hold well over 900?

Then I'll buy that heatsink, my case is big the typical gamer one, I hope I don't have a problem, anyway let's see if while I can increase the current fan, I have the PCU fan installed but I don't know how to increase it hehe I have it to measure temperatures but it measures them very high it's not very reliable, in the BIOS there is an option that is disabled and when you activate it 3 modes are activated and one is the turbo and it refers to the fan, do I activate that turbo?

thanks

[Sylver]

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Perdona, me confundí entonces con otro hilo de un micro regalado.

No sé como la tendrás y si va bien o no, eso es cuestión de probarlo, mirar temperaturas y pasar tests de estrés para ver si es estable. Pero te digo desde ya que con el disipador de serie estás jugando con fuego, yo no tocaría nada sin reemplazarlo.

Depende de la opción de la BIOS, puede ser una pequeña configuración de OC preestablecida, un OC muy leve que aumenta el rendimiento muy poco, o que efectivamente sea el regulador del ventilador, si se refiere al CPU FAN ahí lo tienes.

Saludos

[lolly]

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Como cada bios es un mundo y tiene diferentes opciones aqui unas fotos de como lo estoy poniendo , las opciones que tengo , lo del fan que no se para que es y las temperaturas que marca la bios .

Empiezo con la config de un oc muy ligerito :

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Aqui las temperaturas con la configuración de las fotos de arriba y la opción cpu q fan control disabled ( que es como viene de serie )

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Si la pongo enabled se me abre otra opción :

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Y entonces me deja poner 3 modos ,standar , silent y turbo

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Sera ese turbo el que hace trabajar mejor al ventilador? la config d el oc esta en sincronia?

Gracias por la ayuda y por aguantarme que soy un poco pesado jaja
Pd : esta tarde a ver si puedo sacar las fotos del disipador y venti

[Sylver]

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Ya en los valores propios de tu BIOS no me manejo, algún compañero te podrá asesorar mejor, pero lo que es seguro es que la pestaña que activas en modo turbo corresponde al ventilador de la CPU.

Saludos

[lolly]

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@Sylver:

Ya en los valores propios de tu BIOS no me manejo, algún compañero te podrá asesorar mejor, pero lo que es seguro es que la pestaña que activas en modo turbo corresponde al ventilador de la CPU.

Saludos

Activarías esa opción turbo si fuese tu ordenador ?
saludos

[Sylver]

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Si veo que mis temperaturas de serie son malas (aparentemente altas) y que limpiando el dispador y ventilador no se soluciona nada, para mejorar la situación un poco sí lo activaría.
En mi caso el ruido no me molesta demasiado, para otras personas el silencio es algo imprescindible, asique depende de lo que a ti te moleste.

PD: Reitero, si quieres hacer OC cambia el disipador, por tu bien.

Saludos

[lolly]

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@Sylver:

Si veo que mis temperaturas de serie son malas (aparentemente altas) y que limpiando el dispador y ventilador no se soluciona nada, para mejorar la situación un poco sí lo activaría.
En mi caso el ruido no me molesta demasiado, para otras personas el silencio es algo imprescindible, asique depende de lo que a ti te moleste.

PD: Reitero, si quieres hacer OC cambia el disipador, por tu bien.

Saludos

Gracias , el disipador ya esta comprado en amazon el lunes o el martes lo tendré en casa .

Voy a ver si activo la opcion esa , de todas maneras con el real temp parece que me marca menos que con el everest , llevo un rato jugando al batlefield 3 y marca mínima 35 maxima 60 .

[Sylver]

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No está del todo mal, cuando tengas el disipador podrás hacer más cosas.

Saludos

[lolly]

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@Sylver:

No está del todo mal, cuando tengas el disipador podrás hacer más cosas.

Saludos

Puede ser que la gráfica me suba un poco también la temperatura del resto del ordenador? la llevo con oc y siempre anda rondando los 60 grados ?

[Sylver]

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Puede ser que genere algo de calor extra y lo reparta por el interior de la caja, pero aparte de eso no debe suponer un incremento relevante en la temperatura del micro.

[lolly]

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Necesito vuestra ayuda , llevo toda la tarde con el disipador , me parece imposible ponerlo , no me entran los cliks esos que tienen en mi placa , la placa va a rosca , no se si esa rosca la puso el que me monto el pc o venia de serie pero ni se como quitarla ni nada …

Por cierto no se que toque que al arrancar me puso nueva cpu detectada , le di a load default options...espero que todo este correcto ....