HD5850 Refurbished

[Sylver]

@CNCBCN:

very bad, but very bad. half the forum recommending that graphic for who knows how long and now you come along, doubting it (or worse, the good judgment of your colleagues) :nono::nono:
:D:D

If I am one of those who has recommended it the most, but talking about that particular one that concerns us is broken (fan according to what lolly says) then tying up the refurbished + faulty fan [B]only in this particular case ehhh[/B] I come up with an approximate result :nono:

Regards

[Nemo]

Well, a refurbished one can fail just like a "new" one, but it's true that you might get one that, after being tampered with, has some setting messed up like this fan issue...I'm not saying it's not a hassle because you have to return it as if the chip had failed, but they give more room for errors, hence their low price.
I don't think they're a bad option, refurbished ones, you're a bit tense at first in case you get the "lousy" one...:lol::lol:

It's true that lately there's a certain paranoia about the bottleneck issue...but that's what happens when you have a processor two generations behind with the power of the graphics and the price of current chips, today with any card of 300€ you already run the risk of it bottlenecking modern processors that are moderately powerful but the problem is not with the graphics but with the processor.

Best regards

[_Neptunno_]

About the bottleneck, there have always been a lot of paranoias about it.
Of course, the ideal setup for gaming is a balanced one, but if a Q9300 with an HD5850 is unbalanced, forget it.

Another issue is that some games are "console ported", with little optimization and demand more CPU than normal, and maybe in minimum FPS the Q9300 won't perform as well as an i5/i7, but of course economically it doesn't make sense to change CPUs just to get 5 more FPS... that's what I think.

About the refurbished 5850, it seems that some have come out with defects in the ventilation system, etc., but there's no problem, you just have to process the RMA where it was bought and that's it.
For the price it's worth, it's a great card, worthy of succeeding the 9800GTX, honestly.
I haven't seen many CF 5850s lately, even 5870s... It's the golden age of the HD58xx series

P.D: lolly, welcome to the forum and I hope you participate when you can

[lolly]

The truth is that I was caught by this because I read in the forum without being registered that it was a good option, then I registered to be part of this great community

Regarding the graphics, it is 100 x 100 sure that the fan is bad, with the same finger I make it rotate and it sounds like it is rubbing somewhere

What does not fit me much is that I have assembled my 9800 gtx, I have raised the core a little and in the batlelfield I go similar to the 5850... if they did not change it to me and returned the money, I would almost keep the 9800 gtx and save the money

[_Neptunno_]

@lolly:

The truth is that I got this because I read on the forum without being registered that it was a good option, then I registered to be part of this great community

Regarding the graphics, it is 100% sure that the fan is bad, with the same finger I make it rotate and it sounds like it is rubbing somewhere

What doesn't fit me much is that I have assembled my 9800 gtx, I have raised the core a little and in batlelfield I go similar to the 5850…if they didn't change it and returned the money I would almost keep the 9800 gtx and save the money

It would be interesting to know which BF is… the ¿3?
You could also say what monitor you have (size and resolution), because it is not the same to play at 1280 that at 1920 or more...
When you play at low resolution, the micro influences more, so the OC can be important to improve minimums in fps.

Anyway, returning to the topic of the game, you should see if in other games the 9800GTX goes "the same" as the HD5850. In BF3, it seems that AMD recommend disabling some option of the game's graphic configuration, because they recognize that it greatly reduces the performance on their card.
I don't know if it would be solved via drivers, but well.

Another important issue is, did you uninstall the Nvidia drivers properly when you put the Ati/AMD? perhaps the performance problem comes from software, because in all ways your new graphics will render more than 50% than the old one, and it is possible that I am short.

Greetings!!

[Sylver]

@Nemo:

Let's see, a refurbished can fail just like a "new" one, but it's true that you might get one that, after being tampered with, has some setting messed up like this fan...I'm not saying it's not a hassle because it has to be returned as if the chip had failed, but that's where their low price comes from, giving more room for failure.
I don't think they're a bad option, refurbished ones, you're a bit tense at first in case you get the "lousy" one...:lol::lol:

It's true that lately there's a certain paranoia about the bottleneck thing...but that's what happens when you have a processor two generations behind with the power of the graphics and the price of current chips, today with any card at 300€ you run the risk of it bottlenecking modern processors that are moderately powerful but the problem isn't the graphics, it's the processor.

Best regards

+1 Nemo, it's exactly that, I couldn't have said it better.

It's about it's not refurbished by chance, and being tense about it is almost inevitable.

Regarding the bottleneck, it's totally true that it's getting into all of our heads, but I think we need an improvement in platforms as a whole for this "fear" to disappear, which isn't far from reality, because bottlenecks do exist, it's not just a fear on paper. I'm referring to manufacturers, not users (who are also the ones who acquire the equipment and have it in their hands to acquire components of a certain quality for performance that is in unison and in balance)

Regards

[_Neptunno_]

@Sylver:

+1 Nemo, it's exactly that, I couldn't have said it better.

It's about it not being refurbished by chance, and being tense about it is almost inevitable.

Regarding the bottleneck, it's totally true that it's getting into all of our heads, but I think we need an improvement in platforms as a whole for this "fear" to disappear, which is not far from reality, because bottlenecks exist, it's not just a fear on paper. I'm referring to manufacturers, not users (who are also the ones who acquire the equipment and have in our hands the acquisition of components of a certain quality for a performance in unison and in balance)

Regards

There will always be a bottleneck in our PCs: either micro, GPU, memory, motherboard (chipset) HDD's.
But it's one thing to be obsessed with my graphics card not performing well and going badly just because it gives 5/10 fps less than with a more powerful CPU/GPU, whose financial outlay is xxx€ more.

The best thing for this is to give practical examples.
I play at 1680x1080, so for example when I bought the HD6950 it didn't pay off to buy an HD6990 in terms of €.
Another thing is that I wouldn't mind having it but of course from paying 220€ to paying 550-600€... of course.

Another thing is for those who really like tinkering and can afford it, because I like it but I don't have the money for that much.

That's why I think it's too unfair to say that a Quad 775 bottlenecks a HD5850, when you can practically play everything with that combination at a normal resolution, even if you play at 1920 almost the micro would be noticed even less if possible.
That it would go better that graphics card on an i5 2500 or similar, of course it would but the money you spend on changing the platform doesn't compensate, in my opinion.

Another thing is that you decide to build a CF, in which you could limit the "platform" quite a bit, and of course the bigger the graphics cards are the more noticeable it would be.

Regards!!

[Sylver]

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@_Neptunno_:

Siempre o casi siempre habrá un cuello de botella en nuestros pc's: o bien micro, gpu, memoria, placa (chipset) HDD's.
Pero una cosa es obsesionarse con que mi gráfica no rinde bien y me va fatal solo por que da 5/10 fps de mínimos menos que con una CPU/GPU mas potente, cuyo desembolso económico es de xxx€ mas.

Lo mejor para esto es poner ejemplos prácticos.
Yo juego a 1680x1080, con lo cual por ejemplo cuando me compre la HD6950 pues no me compensaba comprar una HD6990 en cuestión de €.
Otra cosa es que no me molara tenerla pero claro de pagar 220€ a pagar 550-600€ …pues claro.

Otra cosa es a los que les gusta muchísimo el cacharreo y pueden permitírselo, por que a mi me mola pero no tengo pasta para tanto.

Por eso, me parece demasiado injusto decir que un Quad 775 hace cuello de botella a una HD5850, cuando prácticamente puedes jugar a todo con ese conjunto a una resolución normal, incluso si juegas a 1920 casi el micro se notara menos todavía si cabe.
Que vaya a ir mejor esa gráfica en un i5 2500 o similar, pues claro que si pero la pasta que te gastas en cambiar la plataforma no lo compensa, a mi entender.

Otra cosa es que decidas montarte un CF, en el que puede que si le limite bastante la “plataforma”, y desde luego cuanto mas grande son las gráficas mas se notaria.

Saludos!!

+2

En cualquier caso, y volviendo al tema último, al tanto del fallo del ventilador es lógico pensar que por ser refurbished algo tiene que ver, es lo que comentaba Nemo. Esto no quiere decir que te estén vendiendo algo averiado, sino que ya ha tenido un fallo y está teóricamente reparada y libre de problemas, por lo que si sucede algo, como en este caso, a tirar de garantía y punto, que para algo la dan, no creo que sean tan ineptos como para vender algo roto con garantía

Saludos

[CNCBCN]

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dentro de lo malo , el hecho de que simplemente sea el el ventilador es de agradecer( lo mas probable es que sea un fallo de montaje ,o un simple cable que toque ) de todos modos si todavía no la has enviado apúntate el nº de serie para ver que hacen ( cambiarla o repararla )

[lolly]

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El juego del que hablo es el nuevo batelfield 3 , la resolución que uso 1280x1024 nativa . 75 hz

Lo del número de serie se me ha olvidado anotarlo y ya me da cosa desembalarla de nuevo y ademas la tengo en la tienda de mi madre esperando que vengan los de seur a recogerla… a ver si tengo suerte y me dan otra o incluso me ofrecen el dinero igual me compraría algo mejor o me guardo el dinero

[lolly]

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Joder sigo sin grafica y encima veo que han puesto las 6770 mas baratas que esta y nuevas , se supone que esas graficas son mejores que la mia y encima nuevas , vaya cagada … a ver si por lo menos me llega mañana por que estoy cansado de esperar

[_Neptunno_]

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@lolly:

Joder sigo sin grafica y encima veo que han puesto las 6770 mas baratas que esta y nuevas , se supone que esas graficas son mejores que la mia y encima nuevas , vaya cagada … a ver si por lo menos me llega mañana por que estoy cansado de esperar

La 6770 es una 5770 renombrada, si no recuerdo mal. Tanto la HD4870 como la HD5770 y HD6770 tiene rendimientos muy similares.

A si que no te agobies por eso, ok? La HD5850 es una tarjeta muy versátil y decente. Realmente deberías fijarte que rinde entre la HD6850 y la HD6870, para hacerte una idea.

Saludos!

[CoUgSt]

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@lolly:

Joder sigo sin grafica y encima veo que han puesto las 6770 mas baratas que esta y nuevas , se supone que esas graficas son mejores que la mia y encima nuevas , vaya cagada … a ver si por lo menos me llega mañana por que estoy cansado de esperar

¿De dónde te has sacado eso?

Para que te hagas una idea: 6770 = 5770 < 6790 < 5830 < 6850 < 5850 < 6870.

[_Neptunno_]

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@CoUgSt:

¿De dónde te has sacado eso?

Para que te hagas una idea: 6770 = 5770 < 6790 < 6850 < 5850 <6870.

+1 , supongo que pensara que por ser un número mayor es más potente. Pero la culpa es de los fabricantes, que les gusta liar al personal con numeritos.

Saludos!!

[lolly]

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Ya esta la grafica montada , ahora no hace ruido , y lo del rendimiento nose por que en el batelfield me dan unos tirones de mucho cuidado pero bueno

[incrediboy]

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@lolly:

Ya esta la grafica montada , ahora no hace ruido , y lo del rendimiento nose por que en el batelfield me dan unos tirones de mucho cuidado pero bueno

el battlefield usa muchisimo la grafica

[CoUgSt]

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@lolly:

Ya esta la grafica montada , ahora no hace ruido , y lo del rendimiento nose por que en el batelfield me dan unos tirones de mucho cuidado pero bueno

Ponlo en la calidad que te recomiende el juego

[lolly]

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@CoUgSt:

Ponlo en la calidad que te recomiende el juego

En la calidad que me recomienda el juego va bastante mal , he bajado todo absolutamente al minimo y desactivado todo y va algo mejor

[Chemacaso_1964]

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Has actualizado los drivers para la gráfica, te lo digo por que a mi en principio me iba fatal en el Battlefield 3.
Un saludo

!AMD Power!

[lolly]

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@Chemacaso_1964:

Has actualizado los drivers para la gráfica, te lo digo por que a mi en principio me iba fatal en el Battlefield 3.
Un saludo

!AMD Power!

Sí tio fue lo primero que hice , bajar los drivers de internet en teoria los ultimos
saludos