Doubt with Zotac GTX570 from pccomponentes

[ferelxyx]

+1 to the 7850

[krampak]

Those 7850 2GB go for 220-230€ right? For that price don't you think the GTX660 is better? anyway we were talking about 175€

[Raesan]

Those 7850 2GB are going to 220-230€ right? For that price don't you think the GTX660 is better? anyway we were talking about 175€

The 7850 1GB is at 169€ but sold out, dead from success. I was waiting for restocking.

+1 7850.

[Obione]

@krampak:

Those 7850 2GB are going to 220-230€ right? For that price don't you think the GTX660 is better? Anyway we were talking about 175€

The 660 doesn't convince me either but we go back to the same for the Battle, with 3D, and if any PhysX or CUDA. It was at 200 bucks on Amazon, that deal looked better but if we're looking for pure performance, at the current prices 7870 (219 pcc) VS 660 (215 pcc) I'll go with ATI.

Editing: Well the Dual-X (2GB) is also sold out, the truth is that the 7850 was very well priced, let's see when they restock it, it sold out at a price of 185€.

[Franziskaner]

it's the fish that bites its own tail, when you see those offers you have no money and when you don't see them (they are at prohibitive prices) and you also don't have the money
as of today, except for a few games, an ATI is worth more than an Nvidia
regards

[miguelmt8]

From what I see, the 7850 with 2Gb has much more acceptance than the GTX570 and for 10€ more it's not much, plus it comes with Sleeping dogs, which is not my type of game but it's appreciated.

How do you see the size issue of the 570? because on the pccomponentes website it shows a graphics card that is quite small but if you search for it on google it shows one that measures almost double http://www.caged.in/var/albums/Technology/Hardware/Video%20Cards/Zotac%20ZT-50201-10P%20GeForce%20GTX%20570.jpg?m=1296422951
Is it possible that they have redesigned the card and made it smaller?

Thanks to all

[miguelmt8]

@Obione:

The 660 doesn't convince me either but we go back to the same for the Battle, with 3D, and if by any chance PhysX or CUDA. It was at 200 bucks on Amazon, that offer looked better but if we look for pure performance, at the prices now 7870 (219 pcc) VS 660 (215 pcc) I'll stick with ATI.

Editing: Well the Dual-X (2GB) is also sold out, the truth is that the 7850 was very well priced, let's see at what they restock it, it has sold out at a price of 185€.

I just went in and it says they restock it this Monday

[Tecnho]

Well that 570 tempts me a lot sorry for the intrusion XD, for that price for an sli with mine it would be a good buy mmm…

[amd125]

@miguelmt8:

From what I see, the 7850 with 2Gb has much more acceptance than the GTX570 and for 10€ more it's not much, plus it comes with Sleeping dogs, which is not my type of game but it's appreciated.

How do you see the size issue of the 570? because on the pccomponentes page it comes with a pretty small graphics card but if you search it on google it comes up with one that measures almost double http://www.caged.in/var/albums/Technology/Hardware/Video%20Cards/Zotac%20ZT-50201-10P%20GeForce%20GTX%20570.jpg?m=1296422951
Is it possible that they have remodeled the card and made it smaller?

Thanks to all

The normal thing is that the short card is hot. It has the same values as the long one (I'm talking about core speed, memory etc), so in doubt, and without being able to find a review, which I haven't been able to find the truth, I wouldn't buy it. It has a smaller heatsink but the heat generated should be the same as in the long card...

I remember the case of the Palit 460 GTX or 560 GTX where the graphics card was shorter than normal, the heatsink was small and they were very hot. That's right, they were cheaper than the normal ones, but it was an oven...

[Tecnho]

Well I bought it today, I finally decided to do the SLI and see how it holds up, I'll comment on it later, I'll try it out on Tuesday or Wednesday and I'll have it by then.

[amd125]

@Tecnho:

Well, I bought it today, I finally decided to do SLI and see how it holds up, I'll comment on how it goes, I'll push it on Tuesday or Wednesday and I'll have it by then.

You'll let us know how it performs and especially how the temperatures are.

[Tecnho]

It's also on their website that they have a popurri of them. ZOTAC - It's time to play! - GeForce® GTX 570

[miguelmt8]

@Tecnho:

Well I bought it today, I finally decided to do SLI and see what it can handle, I'll comment on how it goes, I'll throw it in on Tuesday, I'll have it by Wednesday.

How long does it take? Didn't it say they deliver it in 24h?

I think I'll end up getting the 7850 with 2Gb because if you say the 570 is shorter and it's going to be very hot, it's going to give me problems since the case barely has spaces to ventilate on the sides

[Obione]

That's not the issue. The point is that if you don't have Battlefield 3 as your main game and don't want the Nvidia "gimmicks" (PhysX, CUDA, and 3D), the 7850 is better in many ways.

[miguelmt8]

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@Obione:

Esa no es la custión. El tema es que si no tienes el Battlefield 3 como juego principal ni quieres las "pijadas" Nvidia (PhysX, CUDA y 3D) la 7850 es mejor en mucho sentidos.

Hombre, pues la verdad es que el Battlefield 3 es principalmente el juego por el que renuevo el pc. Luego conforme vayan saliendo otros probablemente los jugaré también. Qué es eso de PhysX, CUDA y 3D? porque leí algo sobre PhysX que emulaba la física de objetos como la caída de balas u otras cosas, pero no entendí nada más

[Tecnho]

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@miguelmt8:

Cuanto tarda no? No ponía que te la entregaban en 24h?

Creo que acabaré cogiendo la 7850 de 2Gb porque si decís que la 570 es más corta y va a ser muy caliente, me va a dar problemas ya que la caja apenas tiene espacios para ventilar por los laterales

Tarda porque el pago lo realicé mediante transferencia el viernes lo que supongo les llega el lunes y ellos lo enviarán lunes martes y a eso se suman las 24h de transporte, tardan lo justo.

[amd125]

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Como ves en la review que te puse: AnandTech - Bench - GPU12

La Nvidia tira mejor en el BF3 en algunas reviews, pero hay que tener en cuenta que la 7850 tiene un buen margen de Overclock y que tampoco se arrastra. Incluso a Full HD con filtros mueve el juego bien. La Nvidia parece algo mejor si hablamos sólo de este juego.

Pero como te comento yo prefiero la Ati que sube lo suyo con Overclock y en otros juegos tira mejor:

Para mí es importante el contar con dos Gigas de memoria. Además la Nvidia tiene unos drivers depurados, pero la Ati aún puede mejorar algo.

[krampak]

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No entiendo porque habláis solo del BF3 si en esa comparativa está por delante en la mayoría de juegos xD No es por defender nvidia eh, pero es que no veo esas diferencias aclaparadoras de las que habláis (en juegos reales), exceptuando por el consumo/temperatura claro.Si alguien puede ilustrarme …

[Obione]

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OC no he mirado pero sí, el rendimiento es similar, no obstante:

@Obione:

…por consumo, temperaturas, ensamblador y esa memoria extra, la 7850 me parece mejor opción.

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@miguelmt8:

…Battlefield 3 es principalmente el juego por el que renuevo el pc...

Pues pilla la 570.

@miguelmt8:

Qué es eso de PhysX, CUDA y 3D?…

Aceleración de físicas en juegos compatibles incluso con FX exclusivos (sólo se aprovecha bien en 4 juegos contados), cálculo vía GPU con soft compatible (por ejemplo con edición de imagen/video) y 3D con juegos + monitor compatibles.

[amd125]

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Si compra la Nvidia que vaya aflojando el bolsillo para una fuente nueva… porque la que tiene marca el pavo como que no podrá con ella.

krampak, las dos gráficas rinden similar, pero la Ati al tener dos Gigas decanta la balanza a mi modo de ver, pero un resumen podría ser:

Ati: menor consumo, menor temperatura, 2 Gigas de memoria que para Full HD y filtros vendrá bien en un futuro, mayor margen de Overclock. De stock tira menos en el BF3.

Si básicamente juega al BF3 que compre la Nvidia, pero que le sume lo que vale una fuente decente, que no bajará de 60-70€. La fuente actual igual le aguanta la Ati, la Nvidia ni de broma.