Update little by little…
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Hello companions, I come back to you for your wise advice…
I have this computer...And I use it only for graphic design (illustrator cs5) and for playing games, especially bf3:
MOTHERBOARD: Gygabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
CPU: Amd Quadcore Phenom IIX4 Black Edition 955
RAM: 4X2 A 1333
VIDEO CARD: ATI 5850
And my intention is to gradually (month by month) upgrade the pc without my partner noticing
since I could quickly lose my head…;D.
Everything is in preparation for the new bf4..I know it requires the same requirements as bf3 but...I don't play it at full and I would like to play with everything at full...or almost.
The advice I ask for, since I have no idea...is:
What should I change first???
Everything I buy must work with the same parts I have now...That is, if the first thing is the motherboard, it must work with the processor I have or vice versa...
My budget is not unlimited, of course...so depending on the month, I could buy one thing or another...
That is, if you give me a motherboard for 200€, I would have to wait two or three months to buy something else...
Well, I look forward to your advice and thank you in advance
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Hola compañer@s acudo de nuevo a vuestros sabios consejos…
Tengo este ordenador...Y lo utilizo solo para diseño grafico (illustrator cs5) y para jugar sobre todo a juegos como el bf3:
PLACA BASE: Gygabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
MICRO: Amd Quadcore Phenom IIX4 Black Edition 955
MEMORIA RAM: 4X2 A 1333
TARJETA GRAFICA: ATI 5850
Y mi intención es de ir poco a poco (mes a mes) actualizando el pc sin que se entere la parienta
ya que me podría quedar sin cabeza muy rápidamente…;D.
Todo es en preparación al nuevo bf4..se que piden los mismos requisitos que con el bf3 pero...yo no lo juego a Full y me gustaría jugar con todo a full... o casi.
Los consejos que pido ya que no tengo ni idea...es:
¿que es lo primero que debería cambiar???
Todo lo que compre me tiene que servir con las mismas piezas que tengo ahora...Es decir que si primero es la placa base me tiene que servir con el procesador que tengo o al revés...
El presupuesto no es ilimitado claro...pues según el mes podría comprarme una cosa o otra...
Osea que si me ponéis una placa base de 200€ me tendría que esperar dos o tres meses a comprame otra cosa...
Bueno espero vuestros consejos y gracias antemano
Un saludoSoy bastante nuevo por aqui,pero quizas te pueda ayudar.
A ver, el cpu creo que es bastante bueno, alomejor tendrias que ampliar la RAM, pero en general tu equipo es bastante bueno, has provado de jugar el BF3 en ultra? yo creo que te tira.
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hello, my team and I (a word that I will edit in the signature one of these days) is:
M4N82 Deluxe
AMD 965
2 of 2Gigas at 800 DDR2
GTX 660 gigabyte
I run it in full at 1920 1080
so with a 660 or 760 you run it at full.
which is not to say that I agree with your idea, in fact, I disagree (and not because of the head
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I think it would be more advisable that you save money and upgrade the whole PC. Why? Because what you want to do I tried it and the truth is that it usually doesn't work :eoh:
before I had the same thing as now except the micro and the 9950 graphics and a GTX280. The graphics is not a problem, but the micro ….. the maximum that my board supported was a 9xx and if I changed the board I couldn't use the DDR2 or the micro
in short, it's better that you switch to intel
list of supported micros:
AMD FX-8140 3200MHz 1MBx8 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-8120 3100MHz 1MBx8 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-8100 2800MHz 1MBx8 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-6200 3800MHz 1MBx6 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 125W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-6120 3500MHz 1MBx6 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-6100 3300MHz 1MBx6 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-4170 4200MHz 1MBx4 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 125W 5200 FDd
AMD FX-4150 3900MHz 1MBx4 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-4100 3600MHz 1MBx4 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
greetings
P.D my opinion a 660 or a 760 and the problem is solved and if you want more later you save sell the board micro and memos and make the jump to an I5 -
hola yo con ( palabra que un dia de estos edito la firma ) mi equipo :
M4N82 Deluxe
AMD 965
2 de 2Gigas a 800 DDR2
GTX 660 gigabyte
lo muevo en Full a 1920 1080
por tanto con una 660 o 760 lo mueves a tope.lo cual no quiere decir que este de acuerdo con tu idea, es mas, estoy en descuerdo ( y no por lo de la cabeza
)
creo que seria mas recomendable que ahorraras y actualizaras el PC entero ¿por que? por que lo que tu quieres hacer lo intente yo y la verdad no suele resultar :eoh:
antes tenia lo mismo que ahora excepto el micro y la grafica 9950 y una GTX280. la gráfica no es problema, pero el micro ….. lo máximo que soportaba mi placa era un 9xx y si cambiaba de placa no me servían ni las DDR2 ni el micro
en resumen que es mejor que te pases a intel
listado de micros soportados :
AMD FX-8140 3200MHz 1MBx8 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-8120 3100MHz 1MBx8 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-8100 2800MHz 1MBx8 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-6200 3800MHz 1MBx6 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 125W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-6120 3500MHz 1MBx6 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-6100 3300MHz 1MBx6 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-4170 4200MHz 1MBx4 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 125W 5200 FDd
AMD FX-4150 3900MHz 1MBx4 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
AMD FX-4100 3600MHz 1MBx4 8MB Bulldozer 32nm B2 95W 5200 FDD
saludos
P.D mi opinión una 660 o una 760 y problema resuelto y si después quieres mas ahorras vendes placa micro y memos y pegas el salto a un I5Yo creo que su equipo es mas que suficiente? yo no lo cambiaria
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Thanks to both of you for responding so quickly…
The option of changing the entire PC is not viable since I would see myself with the tower in one hand and the suitcase in the other...:dead:
Could I, for the moment (it would be a couple of years), just change the graphics card??? I mean... would it be worth it to put a Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 in this computer??? With this graphics card could I manage for the moment or would it create the famous bottleneck??
What I wouldn't like is to buy a card that is not enough for me or another one that is too much... -
I don't have a bottleneck and I have a micro a little better than yours, some worse memories and a motherboard I think worse, the graphics with a 660 you can run it at full speed if you want to spend more later
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I don't know about that, I've never experienced a bottleneck in my neck, and I don't know how bad a processor has to be for it to bottleneck with the graphics
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Thanks to both of you for responding so quickly…
The option of changing the entire PC is not viable since I would see myself with the tower in one hand and the suitcase in the other...:dead:
Could I, for the moment (it would be a couple of years) just change the graphics card??? I mean... could I just put a Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 in this computer??? With this graphics card could I manage for the moment or would it cause the famous bottleneck??
What I wouldn't like is to buy a card that is too weak or another that is too strong...Even though it would cause a bottleneck (which I doubt) your micro is a BE and I think you can easily get 3.9 out of it, which would solve the problem.
This is a pain ;D
gtx660 173
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 OC 2GB GDDR5 GV-N660OC-2GD Graphics Card
780 same assembler 212
Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870 OC 2GB GDDR5 GV-R787OC-2GD Graphics Card
comparison 7870 & 660
AnandTech | Bench - GPU12
As you can see, the 7870 is clearly superior except in BF ;D
Best regards
P.D. I mention the 660 bare, but if you can afford a TI or a 760, the better.
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Month 1: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 760 WINDFORCE 3X
Month 2: G.Skill 8GB DDR3 PC3-10666 Kit (2*4GB)
Month 3: GIGABYTE GA-970A-DS3P
Month 4: AMD FX-6350 (if you get it "inbox" it's almost "unbox and ready")
…and if you let me, I would tell him with roses. ;D -
don't get scammed, put a good heatsink on the micro and an AMD 7850/7870 2GB DDR5 or Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 OC 2GB GDDR5 and you don't need anything else. greetings -
We don't know what source you have, but I think that with a graphics change you should be able to enjoy BF4 without problems. Regarding the model, why buy it now? Wait for the game to come out and see what graphics are available within your budget. I think that starting from an Ati 7870 or an Nvidia 660 GTX you would already notice a good jump.
I would actually put a graphics card like the ATI 7950-7970 which are a bit more expensive but perform very well, and in the future I would change the whole team, but honestly I think you have a good team, I don't see the need to change except for the graphics and maybe in the future an expansion of RAM. The graphics to move a Full HD resolution better that they go over. Many graphics when they come out move most games in Full HD but they don't go over and in a short time they go just right. Better to go over with the GPU.
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Thank you so much to everyone…;D
I'm going to listen to all of you at once...
MaxLG...why do I need more ram??¿¿If I put 16gb of 1600 will it be better for gaming??
Franziskaner…¿¿Do you know any tutorial for super newbies so I can overclock the micro???...the tutorials I see seem to be in Chinese...:frio:...of the two cards...¿¿Would it be better for my team to get an ati??..since I'm not a fan-boy of any brand..I just want it to work perfectly for gaming...
whoololon…not even with a field of roses could I convince her to change the whole team..:nono:
ferelxyx…¿¿Which coolers do you recommend??...of course they should be good...beautiful and above all cheap...:troll:
amd125…The power supply is 700w..I think it's my best option now...wait and see if the prices drop in these 3 months...and I can get something better than my budget is around 190€ to 200€...in the meantime try to do a little oc to the team...and if something breaks I already have the excuse..;D
Seriously thank you so much to everyone...
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hello
4*2 =8 right? i highly doubt you need more ramthey go up almost by themselves;D
you'll find tons of stuff like this on the net
i'm not a fan of anything ( except myself;D )
i guess you say that because your M.B will be ready for ATI cross fire configurations, but unless you want to set up a second graphics card tomorrow you don't have to set up ATI
if you give me a choice between the 660 and 7870 ( and you give it to me ) i'll choose the 7870 to sell it;D;D
if i have to choose between the 660 and the 7870 ( to play BF ) i'll choose the 660
if it's true that BF4 will ask for the same as BF3 660;D
but as they tell you very well wait until BF4 comes out the 660 will continue to drop some price and the 760 as well.
for the heatsink you can use the excuse that it gets very hot and the micro can burn;D
an expensive one ( the most i would spend )
Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A HR-02-MACHO-REV.A Fan/Cooler
a cheap one ( i have my doubts for doing OC, but better than the stock one )
Scythe Katana 4 SCKTN-4000 Fan/Cooler
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Correct, it's 8 gb at 1333... the motherboard supports 16gb at 1600... it would be the limit... but they cost more than 100€ and if I'm not going to notice much difference, I'll stick with the ones I have...
The heatsink excuse I see as perfect ;D
The one you put me (the expensive one) they say it's very big, bulky and a bit complicated to assemble...
¿¿what about this one??
http://www.pccomponentes.com/thermaltake_contac_39_cpu_cooler.html
It's because it's a little smaller and has the blue leds (it looks cooler ;D)... -
if you don't want to spend a lot of money or size on the one you put or this
Cooler Master Hyper 412S CPU Coolerregards
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I'm not sure if your processor is unlocked, if it is, it's very easy.
If not, you would have to increase the FSB frequency, which means overclocking the entire board, and it's not very recommended, although I do it on my laptop.
To do it, you have to open the computer, and look near the processor, there should be a chip with some letters and numbers and a small logo of the brand (usually ICS)
You write down the numbers of the last row, download a program called Setfsb and choose your PLL (that's what this chip is called).
If you don't understand how Setfsb works, there are several tutorials on Google.
Above all, increase the frequency little by littleBest regards
