Can you help me choose between these graphics? Mid-range for old PC

[phrono]

Thank you so much to everyone for responding so quickly! Here's what's going on:

The power supply isn't good, I think ;D. It's this one: "UNYKA" ATX12VP4 520W

I haven't overclocked the CPU or anything. To be honest, I don't even know how to do that... Is it worth it? Would I notice a performance improvement in games? And most importantly, am I at risk of burning it out?

I use this PC for gaming and work (large images, videos, music...) and to be honest, for its age, it runs like a dream. The thing that's most noticeable is the graphics in games, which it doesn't handle smoothly enough anymore.

Although I hadn't considered changing the CPU and I also like it... I thought that the one I have is a pretty rare socket and that's why I hadn't even considered it. But of course, that's what happens when you don't have a clue about hardware... My idea is to change the rig precisely because of that, because I thought that I couldn't change the CPU on my motherboard for a more powerful one.

I really have no intention of changing rigs if I can extend the life of this one by a couple of years, although it's an expense that I'll have to make sooner or later. But I'd rather do it when I can afford to spend a respectable amount on a top-notch PC.

Maybe I'd be better off building the CPU that AMD125 recommends, a moderately good power supply, and a more modest card, spending a bit more money? What do you think?

Thanks again, and I look forward to your responses.

[Franziskaner]

hello
well man....
the PSU is clearly not a marvel, however, after searching and seeing, I found that there are two models, one with active PFC and another with passive PFC, if it would be the one with active PFC, "it works"
but it is almost safer to think about doing without that PSU and looking for something of quality.
the CPU.
you will notice some gain in games and more if you upgrade the graphics (it would be almost essential),
burn it? yes if you want, ;D if you do a gentle OC it's fine (it slightly shortens the lifespan)
in this same forum in the Overclock section you will find several guides:
http://foro.hardlimit.com/f-overclock-4.html/
socket quite rare? no, old and outdated ;D
changing the CPU... it is an option but it is linked to a graphics card in good condition (for gaming), if you have a lot of CPU and little graphics card it's bad, if you have a lot of graphics card and little CPU it's less bad than the first.
what I would do (to make it as least traumatic as possible)
1º change the PSU
2º save a little
3º GTX 660 OC
4º OC your current CPU (a little and to learn)
5º buy a cooler for the CPU (that is decent)
6º upgrade the CPU (and OC it)
you could also skip everything and buy the 660 OC directly, but if your PSU "dies" it may take down one or several components of your computer, and I don't think you would like to burn 170 euros
regards

[fjavi]

For me, what can most limit the OC is the motherboard. That micro on a more overclocking motherboard can go up well and should be noticeable, although perhaps on your motherboard you can get 3200 or 3400 MHz very easily, although with that power supply you can't really overclock it.

http://assets.overclock.net.s3.amazonaws.com/7/7e/7e0b24ce_vbattach79691.jpeg

But the processor is not so bad for being a dual.

Before I change the micro, I would put the graphics card to see how it goes and before I would change the power supply, which is always a better and more lasting investment, besides that it could overclock that micro a little better.

It's just that a Q6600 consumes more, that power supply, although it says those watts, I doubt they are real, I wouldn't put a quad without changing the power supply, I prefer the dual that consumes less.

The 660 doesn't consume much and here NVIDIA recommends a 450W power supply, although it will be a quality power supply. But you should already be thinking about a 4-core CPU

http://www.nvidia.es/object/geforce-gtx-660-es.html#pdpContent=2

greetings

[whoololon]

The worst part is that you get hot, which almost always happens.
You're talking about upgrading an "old" computer, so for that you only change the graphics and font.
Buying a powerful graphics card, even if you don't get the most out of it with your current setup, can be seen as an investment, as you can use it when you change the card.
To finish, it's also not illegal to lower the resolution and detail in games, but I suppose that's a matter of personal preference.

[Bm4n]

@whoololon:

To finish, it is also not illegal to lower the resolution and detail in games, but I suppose that is a matter of personal opinion.

As if not, that is a sin!!! :ugly:

Don't worry about the power consumption either because it's a card that doesn't consume much, we're talking about just over 300W for a complete system, and as fjavi said, if what you need is the card, it's the first thing you should look at and then you'll see if you need to make more changes. For example, if you see that the CPU is always at 100% in games, or that the power supply gets very hot, you can think about changing it, but if it's enough for what you have, you don't need to.

[gamingpy]

I would go for a better power supply more or less like this Cooler Master 600w and a graphics card with a gtx 660, I liked the comment from amd125 with one of 2 gb both would go very well thinking about a future where games consume more than 1GB in medium quality it would be a good investment

[amd125]

I would be a bit scared to put a new fairly powerful graphics card in that power supply. If the power supply is not of good quality, your PC will restart when you play, or if you are unlucky, it will crash and could break a component due to a voltage surge. I say this with some basis, as I have seen friends' PCs with graphics cards broken due to a bad power supply. Otherwise, I would save a little more in your place, and when you could, buy a decent power supply that will serve you for the future and for when you change platforms, and a graphics card like the one indicated to you. That within X time you see that it is going badly? Probably it will be more a matter of micro than anything else. So look for a second-hand micro as I indicated. I know it may seem like a hassle, but first try to overclock the micro. There are many guides, look for them on the forum, YouTube etc. and I have seen that your motherboard can increase the Vcore of the micro and the FSB. Now you don't know what this is, but with time and reading you will know that they are two fundamental parameters for overclocking the micro so don't worry. In current micros, overclocking is generally simple up to some parameters. In micros like yours, you had to "play" a little more but you got the same result. But changing the micro would be if you get as I say a Q6600 for example or similar for 50€ or so. I wouldn't spend much more on that platform. Then I would sell your micro and the change would have cost you 25-30€. I think it is worth it for that money.

[gamingpy]

It's true I had forgotten about the processor you have that limits it a lot :ugly:

[phrono]

Well; I think in the end I'm going to opt for the option of spending a little more, buy a reliable power supply and the GTX 660.

After assembling it and testing how the PC goes with the new components, and knowing that the power supply has the adequate margin, I will put a handsome heatsink and start messing around with the OC (after reading a lot ;D) and see how things go.

I see this as an investment: if in the near future I change the equipment, then two components less that I have to get…

Many thanks to everyone, your opinions have been very useful to me, although I don't understand half of the terms :ugly: Now I'm going to get down to reading about OC to see if I'm able to get more out of my E8200.

Greetings, thank you very much to everyone

[amd125]

If you need help to OC the micro you already know where to find us.

But roughly speaking :ugly: FSB you put it at 400 therefore the speed will be 400*8=3200

You have to raise the Voltage to the micro little by little until it starts, with 1.350 it should start but I think that if it is moderately good with less you will raise it to 3200

At the most do this, and if it starts pass it some stress test and control the temperatures.

Each micro is a world, some go up like foam and others are lazy, but I tell you that 3000-3200 you have to do it easy.

Anyway open a post and we will indicate you.

[Chino]

Forgive my intrusion in the post but I often find myself daydreaming when it comes to power supplies.
In my signature rig I have an i7 3770k @4.5ghz on an asrock z77 extreme with an hd 7950 @1000/1400, 4 SATA hard drives, 1 SSD, DVD burner, 5 12cm fans with led, 2 8cm fans with led, fan controller and card reader.
All of this is powered by a 500W LC Power that cost me 29€, I have a feeling that with yours of 520W it will be more than enough.
My opinion.

[Obione]

How brave of you (not to mention reckless, without wanting to be disrespectful). You spend about €1,000 on the equipment, OverClockeas to the fullest and skimp on one of the most important components :facepalm:

4.5GHz with an EVO is not that you are overdoing it. What temperatures do you have under full load? Either you got a very good micro or it will be quite hot.

[amd125]

@Chino:

Forgive my intrusion in the post but many times I find myself daydreaming when we talk about power supplies.
In my signature rig I have an i7 3770k @4.5ghz on an asrock z77 extreme with an hd 7950 @1000/1400, 4 SATA hard drives, 1 SSD, DVD burner, 5 12cm fans with led, 2 8cm fans with led, fan controller and card reader.
All of this is powered by a 500W LC Power that cost me 29€, I have a feeling that with your 520W one it will be more than enough.
My opinion.

From my experience, the power supply should be of quality whenever possible. I have seen many PCs with a blown power supply that unfortunately takes out the graphics card or other components. You can put in slow memory, a slow CPU, a bad graphics card… but not a bad power supply, because it can break your entire system.

I understand having a low cost PC, slow for office work with a cheap power supply. Well, I respect that more than understanding it. But not having a PC for other more powerful applications. You really don't need a 100€ power supply for a computer, depending on the components, but sometimes the difference between a bad Chinese power supply of 15-20€ and a more normal brand one of 35-40€ is worth it, even for a basic PC, I wouldn't put an unknown brand power supply.

There are brands like NOX that are not very expensive and are of quality, without having to buy more expensive brands and you can afford to have a nice power supply for not much money.

[Sylver]

@Obione:

You must be brave too (not to say reckless, without wanting to be disrespectful). You spend about €1,000 on the equipment, overclock it well and skimp on one of the most important components :facepalm:

4.5GHz with an EVO is not that you are overdoing it. What temperatures do you have under full load? Either you got a very good micro or it will be quite hot.

+1

Putting a €29 power supply in a €1000 equipment... It's a real facepalm :facepalm: that takes guts, and above all, little idea.

I am the one who has a TX650 in a mid/high range equipment and I am worried that when I overclock everything it will be insufficient...

Regards

[Chino]

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Pues el evo se defiende bastante bien este veranono creo que haya pasado de 59ºC.
Creo que os confundis con la paranoia de los watios.
LCPower fabrica unas fuentes de muy buena calidad y segun mis calculos (y los de otros) mi equipo no debe consumir mas de 400W a plena carga, me sobran 100W.
La fuente nunca le he notado un apice de calor.
Ademas la prueba mas evidente es que lleva casi un año trabajando en estas condiciones.
Pero la cosa no acaba aqui, sino que antes estaba tirando de la misma grafica pero con una 970 extreme4 y un phenom 955BE overclockeado tb, que como sabreis es de 125W, en vez de 77W como lo es el i7.
Llamarlo locura, insensatez, pasotismo o como lo querais llamar, pero la prueba irrefutable es que esta funcionando a la perfeccion desde el primer dia. Que vosotros os quedais mas tranquilos gastando 100€ o mas en una fuente de mejor calidad, vuestro dinero es, pero no digais que no tira, que es necesario. Evidentemente la fuente de mas watios trabajara mas sobrada.
Lo que si es cierto es que coges en una mano la LCpower de "solo" 500W y una nox urano de 750W, y lo primero que se te viene a la mente es que la nox es de los chinos. La LC power estan mucho mejor fabricadas tanto en chapa como en cables, como en componentes. El que sepa un poquito de electronica podra confirmarlo.
En cuanto a tensiones, pues despues de mas de 2 años de funcionamiento intenso, estos son sus valores:
En reposo:
12V –->12.119V
5V ----->5.064V
3.3V--->3.296v

A plena carga:
12V ---> 11.986V
5V ---> 5.088V
3.3V ---> 3.280v

Clavadas!!!!!
No me hace falta mas fuente.
Salu2.

[Sylver]

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Vale amigo, ahora mira el amperaje de la línea de +12V de tu fuente y a ver cuánto entrega realmente esa fuente de "500W"…

[Chino]

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30A
Cuando a una fuente de alimentacion se le exigen mas amperios de los que puede entregar lo primero que le pasa es que empieza a caer la tension. ¿Ves que le pase eso a la mia? No, ¿verdad?
La fuente va bien.
O acaso me estas intentando convencer que mi ordenador no funciona o lo hace de milagro!!!!
Salu2.

[Sylver]

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Yo no te intento convencer de nada. Tu fuente entrega 360W en la línea de +12V, así que espero que no llegue nunca a consumir esos 400W que calculabas sólo en esa línea, porque ya te puedes imaginar lo que sucedería si eso pasara.

Saludos

[Fassou]

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Las Nox Urano no son nada del otro mundo, y existen marcas baratas con modelos decentes, en tu caso LC Power son alemanes y no lo hacen mal. Ej : LC Power LC500H-12

Es cierto que por el peso te puedes orientar sobre la calidad de una fuente.

Sobre los micros, el TDP (Thermal Design Power) delata a los procesadores que consumen más, pero es un valor que indica la disipación en watios, que no el consumo.

Salu2!

[Chino]

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@Fassou:

Las Nox Urano no son nada del otro mundo, y existen marcas baratas con modelos decentes, en tu caso LC Power son alemanes y no lo hacen mal. Ej : LC Power LC500H-12

Es cierto que por el peso te puedes orientar sobre la calidad de una fuente.

Sobre los micros, el TDP (Thermal Design Power) delata a los procesadores que consumen más, pero es un valor que indica la disipación en watios, que no el consumo.

Salu2!

Sobre el TDP lo se, pero es una especie de "regla de tres", mas o menos.