I need help, I don't know what can happen anymore.
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Thanks for the advice, buddy javi, everything is very well explained, but I'm not very knowledgeable about the subject, even so I have been able to draw my own conclusions:ugly: Many thanks
What I understand is that the processor falls short compared to the graphics, so I have to practice overclocking.
Come on, Intel, with the extra money they make compared to AMD with their products, they please us with higher quality hardware, like you explained, manufacturing at a lower nm would allow for a more complex architecture within the processor itself, right?
regarding overclocking… I don't have much idea of how to do this.. an explanation would be appreciated
I leave you an image of a benchmark of Metro, everything at maximum, you can see that those drops in fps, like in BTF, are very similar to the GPU load drops.
What could this load drop be due to? The power supply? And most importantly, is there a solution that doesn't involve new hardware?
(The PC is newly formatted, clean driver installation):wall:
I've also run all the tune up modules, optimized and all that.Thanks to everyone, let's see if we can get to the bottom of this:osvaisacagar:
Best regards
It's easy to see if it's the hardware or the CPU that limits you, if you increase the frequency, increase memory and it runs more stable, it's asking for a CPU, Metro 2033 is a game that's not very CPU demanding and very demanding of graphics, in that game it should run better than for example BF4 or Crysis 3, many things influence like resolution or the game engine.
Also, before that, monitor the frequency to see if it stays stable, I mean the graphics frequency, you could do this with MSI afterburner while playing, if it goes up and down constantly, maybe it's a lack of voltage and that's why it lowers frequencies, if the load is constant but varying in moments of high load and moments of significant drops in load, it may be the hardware, then by increasing the CPU you could see if things improve, but Metro2033 should be a game where the load would remain high on the card.But there could be several things, for example at a low resolution the CPU limits earlier and those cards should already run better with higher resolution.
Then in Metro LL don't put supersampling, it has a flaw, at least with Nvidia, if you put SS it greatly lowers the card's load, I don't know if they've fixed it with a patch, I don't think so, it could be because of that, if you run it without SS and it improves stability a lot, it's the fault of that filter.
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It's easy to see if it's the hardware or the CPU that's limiting you, if you increase the frequency, increase the memory and it runs more stable, it's asking for a CPU. Metro 2033 is a game that's not very CPU demanding and very demanding of graphics, in that game it should run better than for example BF4 or Crysis 3, many things influence like resolution or the game engine.
Also, before, monitor the frequency to see if it remains stable, I mean the frequency of the graphics, you could do this with MSI afterburner while playing, if it goes up and down constantly maybe it's a lack of voltage and that's why it lowers frequencies, if the load is constant but varying at times of high load and times of significant drops in load, it may be the hardware, then by increasing the CPU you could see if things improve, but Metro2033 should be a game where the load would remain high on the card.But there may be several things, for example at a low resolution the CPU limits earlier and those cards should already run better with higher resolution.
Then, don't put supersampling in Metro LL, it has a flaw, at least with Nvidia, if you put SS it greatly lowers the load of the card, I don't know if they have fixed it with a patch, I think not, it could be because of that, if you run it without SS and it greatly improves stability, it's the fault of that filter.
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Hi javi! reading your post I noticed the core clock, it also drops in performance, according to these drops that we have been commenting on.
Coincidentally, Metro is the one that works the worst for me, without filters and without anything, it goes badly, on the other hand, the battlefield becomes more "playable".
So, if I increase the voltage on the graphics, will it improve things?
(I have an R9, and according to what they say it usually reaches up to 95ºC at maximum performance) I haven't reached that temperature with the MSI open, nor have I obtained the performance that is talked about for this card.
maybe the voltage is low, and that's why it doesn't end up working stable, and it doesn't reach the "optimal" temperature?thanks
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Hi javi! while reading your post, I noticed the core clock, it also decreases in performance, in line with these drops we have been discussing.
Coincidentally, the metro is the one that works the worst for me, without filters and without anything, it's terrible, on the other hand, the battefield becomes more "playable".
So, if I increase the voltage on the graphics card, will it improve things?
(I have an r9, and according to what they say, it usually reaches up to 95ºC at maximum performance) I have not reached that temperature with the MSI open, nor have I obtained the performance that is talked about for this card.
maybe the voltage is low, and that's why it doesn't work stably, and it doesn't reach the "optimal" temperature?thanks
You need to make a fan profile, because if it reaches 95º it's normal that it lowers frequencies, the first thing is to make a fan profile so that it doesn't reach such high temperatures and with that it's possible that it will keep your frequency well, without the need for voltage.
The thing with Metro is perhaps because when the graphics card's temperature rises, the frequency drops and that's why it goes worse, but before doing anything else, what you should do is put MSI afterburner and monitor temperature, frequency and put a better fan profile, it's going to be noisier but if not, it won't perform well.
regards
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You have to make a fan profile, it's that if it reaches 95º it's normal that it lowers frequencies, the first thing is to make a fan profile so that it doesn't reach such high temperatures and with that it's possible that it keeps your frequency well, without the need for voltage.
The thing with Metro maybe is because when the temperature rises on the graphics it lowers frequencies and that's why it goes worse, but before doing anything else what you should do is put MSI afterburner and monitor temperature, frequency and put a better fan profile, it's going to be more noisy but if not it's not going to perform well.
saludos
yes of course, but I have never reached 95ºC nor have I reached to perform with the graphics at the maximum of what is specified:ffu:, so, people talk wonders of this graphics at ultra with the btf 4, or other games, and I have these drops?xD
how do I raise the voltage and in what safe values?
(Why all this fuss, when all the parts I have are new?) I suppose it shouldn't go so bad
Thanks
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yes of course, but I have never reached 95ºC nor have I reached to render with the graphics at the maximum of what is specified:ffu:, so, people talk wonders of this graphics at ultra with the btf 4, or other games, and I have these crashes?xD
how do I increase the voltage and in what safe values?
(Why all this fuss, when all the parts I have are new?) I suppose it shouldn't be going so wrong
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Well the graphics should perform what maybe something is not right, it could be several things it could be a bottleneck or the one they tell you about the buffer, even it could be power supply or faulty graphics.
It is very strange those ups and downs of BF4 and the fps of Metro LL, it is not normal that of so little, that graphics is Saphire? I ask because some came out that need a new vbios, it is also very strange that with the 560 you already had the problem of stuttering, because that card will not be a bottleneck, check if you have put the Windows updates because with AMD it gives you an update that improves the performance of those CPUs. I think what happens to you is strange, for a bottleneck it would be less stable and would perform less but it shouldn't have those ups and downs of BF4, so often it's as if something did not allow the graphics to work well and is cutting the frequency, I think the power supply if it has only one rail it should not be a problem.
Before anything did you update the bios of the motherboard?
that is the first thing you should always look at when something fails.regards
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Well, the graphics card may be the issue, which could be due to several things, it could be a bottleneck or the buffer issue you mentioned, even the power supply or a faulty graphics card.
It's very strange that BF4 and Metro LL fps have those ups and downs, it's not normal to have such low fps, is that graphics card a Sapphire? I ask because some of them needed a new vbios, it's also very strange that you already had that tearing issue with the 560, because that card won't bottleneck, check if you've installed Windows updates, because with AMD they give you an update that improves the performance of those CPUs. I think what's happening to you is strange, because with a bottleneck it would be less stable and perform less but it shouldn't have those ups and downs in BF4, so often it's as if something isn't allowing the graphics card to work properly and is cutting the frequency, I think the power supply shouldn't be a problem if it only has one rail.
First of all, did you update the motherboard's bios?
that's the first thing to check whenever something goes wrong.regards
If it's a Sapphire, don't tell me it came faulty:wall: I also think about the power supply, it makes sense that it would drop 500mhz under load at "full performance" if the power supply is insufficient.
I refer to full performance because I play BF4 with everything on ultra, 1920 resolution and resolution scaling at 200%, and it runs at 40-50 fps with stuttering that drops to 5-10 fps.Anyway about updating the bios.. as well as the OC.. I don't dare and would appreciate help, I have the motherboard's specs above, etc.
Thanks
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If it's shappire, don't tell me it came defective:wall: I also think about the power supply, it's logical that it would drop 500mhz of load to "full performance" if the power supply is insufficient.
I refer to full performance because I play btf 4 with everything on ultra, resolution 1920 and resolution scaling at 200%, and it runs at 40-50 fps with stutters that drop to 5-10 fps.bff that about updating the bios.. like the oc.. I don't dare and would appreciate help, I have the specs of the board above, etc.
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Look I found an OC guide but they also talk about throttle and maybe your problem if it also happened with the 560 is that, the VRM gets hot and the CPU lowers the load, you should enter a custom configuration, because if you have it on auto the board by default puts more voltage than would be needed to be stable, put for example 4200 MHz directly and remove boost options and things like that, so that it doesn't lower frequency, it's very possible that you need less voltage than the board puts on auto and look if the VRM heatsink on the board is hot, it should be somewhat hot but if it's already pretty hot it may be that the VRM is getting hot and is cutting off voltage, I think this guide can be useful for you to configure that equipment and gain some performance.
regards
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Look, I found a guide on OC but they also talk about throttle and maybe your problem, if it also happened with the 560, could be that, the VRM gets hot and the CPU lowers the load, you should put a custom configuration, because if you have it on auto, the board by default puts more voltage than what would be needed to be stable, put for example 4200 MHz directly and remove boost options and things like that, so that it doesn't lower frequency, it's very possible that you need less voltage than the board puts on auto and look if the VRM heatsink on the board is hot, it should be somewhat hot but if it's already pretty hot, it may be that the VRM heats up and keeps cutting voltage, I think this guide can be useful for you to configure that equipment and gain some performance.
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Just what I needed, now let's see if I can figure it out and hopefully we can solve this, thank you very much javi!
I'm going to open the tower and look at everything, now I'll leave you some photos of the inside.hmmm… that's another thing! you already had me worried about the shapire issue... it's not the first time I hear something bad about this assembler, although I've always liked ATIs in general.
First of all, I'm thinking of getting another motherboard and an SSD, I'd like you to advise me a little on that, to be honest, I'd like everything to work well, without "touching anything", I'm the typical one who leaves things as they are... but it seems that with computers this is impossible.
I've only recently got into the "world" and let's say I'm still a bit green, for me this whole thing of updating the BIOS is a big deal, as is losing the warranty with OCI'll leave you the motherboard I'd like to get
Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z 90-MIBJ70-G0EAY0VZ Motherboard
With this, we would still have problems or maybe as you said it's a power supply failure, I'm going to try to rule out the power supply issue, looking for an 800w power supply and testing the performance, as I'm more convinced by the issue you mentioned about the Vs and the act.In the future, I plan to expand to crossfire with the same card, and expand to 16gb of RAM, keeping the 8150, or maybe upgrade to the 8350.
I don't really understand the differences between these processors, I suppose it's something about the generationsIn short, a thousand thanks for committing to me javi, you can imagine that feeling of having spent a lot of money on something, and not getting what you expected.
Now I'll get on with what you've told meP.D. (I hope that commercial-type links are not prohibited, if so, my sincerest apologies, without any problem the comment will be edited removing the url in question.)
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Justo lo que necesitaba, now to see if I can figure it out and hopefully we can resolve this, thank you very much javi!
I'm going to open the tower and look at everything, now I'll leave you some photos of the inside.hmmm… that's something else! you already had me worried about the shapire issue... it's not the first time I've heard something bad about this motherboard, although I've always liked ATIs in general.
First of all, I'm thinking of getting another motherboard and an SSD, I'd like you to give me some advice on that, to be honest I'd like everything to work well, without "touching anything", I'm the typical person who leaves things as they are... but it seems that with computers this is impossible.
I've only just got into the "world" and let's say I'm still a bit green, for me updating the BIOS is a big deal, just like losing the warranty with OCI'll leave you the motherboard I'd like to get
Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z 90-MIBJ70-G0EAY0VZ Motherboard
With this, we would still have problems or maybe as you said it's a power supply issue, I'm going to try to rule out the power supply issue, looking for an 800w power supply and testing the performance, since I'm more convinced by the issue you mentioned about the Vs and the act.In the future, I plan to expand to crossfire with the same card, and expand to 16gb ram, keeping the 8150, or maybe upgrade to the 8350.
I don't really understand the differences between these processors, I suppose it's something about the generationsIn short, thank you very much for helping me javi, maybe you can imagine that feeling of having spent a lot of money on something, and not getting what you expected.
Now I'll get on with what you've told mePD{I hope that links like this commercial one are not forbidden, if so my sincerest apologies, without any problem the comment will be edited removing the url in question.}
I wouldn't spend anything, I also don't recommend CF because you won't take advantage of it, even less so going from an 8150 to an 8350 if with OC your CPU is going to be like the other or very close.
Your motherboard shouldn't be bad to be able to overclock the CPU and I don't think the one you put will work miracles, maybe it will overclock a little more, but it's not worth it, it matters more that the CPU comes out good, with a good CPU you can overclock on many good motherboards and in the end the performance is quite similar to more expensive components.But that Asrock in the end performs almost like the other Asus, the differences will be so small that it's not worth spending anything, especially if it's not for extreme OC, for a daily use OC they will give you quite similar results, it matters more the quality or VID of the CPU, a good CPU can be overclocked well with several motherboards, if the CPU is bad even the best motherboard won't work miracles.
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It makes sense to apply the least risky solutions first. Starting to tackle a problem with OC, especially when it hasn't been done before, I consider it a folly; even more so when it's not certain that it will solve the problem.
A possible buffer problem is solved by adding another hard drive and configuring virtual memory correctly.
A possible power supply problem is solved by avoiding sharing branches that go to the GPU and hard drives, or ultimately changing the power supply.
A possible GPU overheating problem (which can cause load drops and therefore, performance) is solved by improving the case ventilation, either by adding fans, or by opening the sides and placing a desktop fan blowing towards the interior (considered an unacceptable sacrilege by some users of "top-fashion" cases), and as a last resort, a new GPU cooler block, either air or liquid.
In summary, it's better to exhaust all avenues before touching voltages. That's my opinion.
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Friends, as of today, I think the problem is over, I downloaded the amd OverDrive and I activated the turbo core, after this I have been playing btf 4 at maximum, including the resolution scale at 200% without drops to 50fps stable. I am very happy, but at the same time confused, has this nonsense solved the problem? why? Thanks to all
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Friends, as of today, I think the problem is solved, I downloaded the amd OverDrive and activated the turbo core, after that I have been playing btf 4 at maximum, including the resolution scale at 200% without drops to 50fps stable.
I am very happy, but also confused, did this nonsense solve the problem? why?
Thanks to all
I think what solved it is that now if the CPU Turbo works, before it wouldn't work and that Overdrive maybe serves for the CPU to reach its frequencies with Turbo that I think one is 3900mhz with all cores and 4200 with only 4 cores, what seems is that this frequency suits the graphics well.
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I think what it has solved is that now if your CPU Turbo works, before it wouldn't work and that Overdrive maybe serves so that the CPU reaches its frequencies with Turbo that I think one is 3900mhz with all the cores and 4200 with only 4 cores, what seems is that that frequency suits the graphics well.
it seems so, I have already tested several games and it goes great, how is it possible that the turbocore wouldn't work, if the board activated it by default?
In the battefield, I have been recommended to use Windows 8.1, how is it?
Thanks
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that seems, I have already tested several games and it works great for me, how is it possible that the turbocore does not work, if the board by default activated it?
In the battefield, I have been recommended to use Windows 8.1, how is it?
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I can't talk about Windows 8 or 8.1 because I haven't tried it, then sometimes I have been able to tinker with an early Phenom and when I install the system they go wrong, then when I put a Windows update that puts something for the CPU it improves a lot, so maybe your CPU also needs that program to work well, it may be like a kind of driver, because your CPU has several turbo boosts, one to 3900mhz with all the cores and another to 4200 MHz with 4 cores, I think it works like that and maybe that's why it needs that overdrive.
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that seems, I have already tested several games and it works great for me, how is it possible that turbocore does not work, if the board by default activated it?
In the battefield, I have been recommended to use windows 8.1, how is it?
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I have not noticed a difference from w7 to w8 playing… But well it is not bad, you can not say that it is a big change but it is not a step backwards either.
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