Update Amd3+ to?
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That's what I think too, an AM4 top will give you a good performance boost compared to your current platform. The price/performance ratio will always be better when buying in stock clearance, it's undeniable. Although the AM5 could last you longer theoretically, you have to bear in mind that standards like DDR6 and PCIe 6.0 are expected to arrive in 3-4 years at most, so AM6 is set to appear in that time frame to support them. I don't know if it's worth buying the more expensive platform this year with a view to an update of standards so close. Especially considering that you would already have enough performance with the change, whatever it is. As for the graphics, I've been seeing them at reasonable prices these weeks. I found a couple with normal use (not mining) at 150€/u, but they lasted for a short time. I think that's where the shots will go... Best regards! -
This morning I played for a while with the resource monitor set to what I usually play exclusively Day Z
Consumptions:
CPU 60/70% at 4 GHz temperature about 50 stable (r.l)
RAM 40% 32gigas at 1600
GPU 70% 65/70degrees
SSD 0/10%
That in medium graphics without many frills.
Maybe it would be more interesting to change the graphics and the rest one of these days, for next year.
The graphics more than 500 would hurt me
The xfx 6700 12 gigas is at 539
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@clipper The truth is that CPU already makes you a bottleneck to the RX580, so buying an RX6700, RX 6600XT or similar you won't notice much, maybe in minimums or if you had a 4k monitor then it could be.
What I would invest in first is a new motherboard + micro + ram, if you're not in a hurry I would wait for AM5 (personally I'm waiting for that platform). Now, in this field of computer science and as things stand... don't get too confident in waiting. Very good options are the Ryzen 5600 or 5700/5800. Of course the i5 of 12 Gen can be a very interesting option to consider.Personally, I remember when I switched from an i7 of 1st Gen to one of 4th Gen and noticed a lot of improvement in the performance of the GPU I had then, GTX670. I'm sure if you make that change you're going to notice an improvement in everything
Regards!!
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@clipper As our good friend @_Neptunno_ rightly says, it's already a bottleneck with the current setup, so putting a more powerful graphics card in the 8350 isn't going to be an improvement.
If it's really lacking for you and an upgrade is imperative, I would go for one of those Ryzen 5 or a 7.
If there's no rush, I would wait for the new batch, either to check the raw performance of AM5, or to take advantage of the price drops on AM4.Best regards!
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If I switch to AMD 4 I might go for an AMD 9 5900X.
If I opt for AMD 5 it will be a mid-range I'm not clear about the difference in performance but it's all a bit green, they say that depending on whether it's the E or the normal one the ports will be X5 or X 4
I don't have a hurry.
But it's clear that the way they're putting it the AMD 5 for it to be a total cheeky update, they're already saying that if PCI X 5 if
DDR 5 too.
But X5 storage as it seems not in mid-range, you have to go for the Extremem which is top range.
It's clear that you have to wait and see comparisons.
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@clipper said in Update Amd3+ to?:
If I switch to AMD 4 I might go for an AMD 9 5900X.
If I opt for AMD 5 it will be a mid-range one I'm not clear about the difference in performance but it's all a bit green, they say that depending on whether it's the E or the normal one the ports will be X5 or X 4
I don't have a hurry.
But it's clear that the way they're putting it up the AMD 5 to be a total cheeky update, they're already saying that if PCI X 5 if
DDR 5 too.
But X5 storage as if not in mid-range, you have to go for the E xtremem which is top range.
It's clear that you have to wait and see comparisons.
RegardsWell, I need to catch up on the new AM5 socket and how it will perform, but they will use ddr5 which is more expensive and we also don't know what the price of the boards for this socket will be, all of this can be a point against a more mature and powerful option like a Ryzen 9 5000.
I'll also tell you one thing, if AMD comes out with some new processors that are very good they will surely be somewhat expensive initially as happened with the Ryzen 5000. And if the mid-range is equal to or more powerful than the high-end of the previous generation I don't even know, so if you want to enjoy a 5900X or similar go ahead!!
Look, I currently have no need to change, although if I had your processor I assure you that I would already see myself very limited today, so I don't know if I would wait since the situation of crisis and the war in Ukraine, in addition to the problems of electronic supplies with China, will not help the new generation at all. First they will release the top of the range, which will cost a fortune and second who knows how much stock they will have. So it's possible that until the end of the year or the beginning you can't see something interesting. Although I also tell you that you can wait for the moment of the new platform's release and benefit from the Ryzen 5000 prices dropping.Regards!!
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@_neptunno_ the issue is always the same.
AMD promises a 15% increase in performance... In relation to what? An AMD 5 or an 9?
It is evident that the new AMD 5 platform has many advantages, PCI X5
And ddr5 memory, apart from the mnV X,5 in certain series (the E)
But. That 15% increase will be in relation to what? That is the dilemma if the 15% is measured on an AMD 5 in the top range of the series the new generation is more worthwhile than a series 9000 AMD 4
We don't know... We have to wait and see how they are.
The grass is very green there.,
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@clipper I imagine that 15% will be a general level of performance comparing for example a 5950X vs 7950X (I don't know what names they will give them, it's just an example), or a 5600X vs 7600X, I mean it's not comparing a high-end AM4 vs a mid-range AM5. Honestly, I think that gain is little because I don't think it will compensate much for people to change, except for enthusiasts, maybe it's just an average "raw" difference without taking into account the additional improvements of pci 5.0, ddr5, etc, etc.
Anyway, I hope it gets clearer as the weeks go by.
By the way, even though I'm also confused, is it AM5 or AMD5 xDRegards!!
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Let's assume that in the AMD 4 series the gain between the 5/7/9 series is 5%.
And that the AMD 5 in the same model are 15% faster.
That would mean that an AMD 5 series 5 would only be 5% more powerful than an AMD 4 series 9
Leaving aside that the AMD 5 have 3 different board chips (low range without support for mnV 5) medium to define and high with PCI support e X5 and mnV X5 and that's a lot.
So in my case it all comes out a bit the same, because I start from a relic, but the one who already has a mid / high range of AMD 4 I don't think the new platform will be very worth it.
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Let's say I make the jump to AMD 4
Starting from a top-of-the-range processor, let's say this one:
https://www.pccomponentes.com/amd-ryzen-9-5950x-34-ghz
A motherboard like this... Off the top of my head:
https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-mpg-x570s-edge-max-wifi
Which has interesting things like three mNV and things that I don't need like wifi, really, the ideal motherboard would be without wifi and without dvi (or similar)
One or two mNV, is RAID 0 really worth it?
https://www.pccomponentes.com/crucial-p5-plus-500gb-ssd-m2-2280-pcie-40
And initially some ram like this to later double
https://www.pccomponentes.com/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-sl-ddr4-3200-pc4-25600-32gb-2x16gb-cl16-optimizado-amd-ryzen.
Depending on how the market prices vary, it could be modified.
It would be mounted in a corsair 500x icue tower
With corsair 360 icue RL
And corsair RM750 i
What do you think?
Also a 480 gs kioxia SSD as backup (copies) although I really don't mind losing anything, since I don't have anything important on the pc either.
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@clipper You would definitely gain performance everywhere, even choosing a random motherboard and memory.
The raid 0 of NVMe PCIe 4.0 is quite noticeable, at least in the tests I have seen. This is not the case with normal sata SSDs, but in NVMe PCIe 4.0 you get about twice the performance of a single drive.
You also have to consider what you prefer, whether to invest in more speed (NVMe are already very fast) or in more capacity to store/install programs.Best regards!
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I have "more than enough" storage capacity with 480 gigas.
I only have W10 pro AutoCAD and Day Z installed, apart from Steam and various gadgets like icue and the one from Logitech.
For backups (I don't have anything important to save) there are USBs and several mechanical disks that I have at home.
So speed is a priority, if you tell me that the mnV in RAID 0 double the speed then... It's clear.
Now it's time to fine-tune the configuration on the AMD 4 platform on what I've put and if you think there's something that can be improved. And wait until December, which is when I'll make the purchase more or less. I leave that deadline to see the results of the AMD 5.
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Prices are already coming out for the motherboards for AMD5 with the 670E chip (the top range, which is the only one that takes advantage of everything: ddr 5 PCI X5 and mnvX5 and they don't go below 500€ and I have never seen a top-range motherboard more expensive than a top-range CPU...
Prepare your wallets, gentlemen...
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The information will come in dribs and drabs, but it is quite possible that they will release "top-of-the-range" cards for €500 or more. What I am not sure about is whether 100% will only be the ones that can fully utilize their potential, because they sell you a card that is a bit more "modest" for €200-300 and you can't get the most out of the potential and technologies of Zen 4, which is absurd. I don't know if AMD's plans include the idea of having Zen 4 as the top of the range on AM5 and high/medium/low range on AM4, at least in the short term. But with the "Threadripper"s, I don't know what AMD's final intention is.
I'll just say that buying the latest thing ends up costing you more and you can "eat" some initial problems that taste bad when you leave good money behind.Regards!!
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@_neptunno_ said in Update Amd3+ to?:
The information will come in dribs and drabs, but it is quite possible that they will release "top-of-the-range" boards for €500 or more. What I am not sure about is whether 100% of them will be the only ones that can fully exploit their potential, because it's absurd that they sell you a board that is a bit more "modest" for €200-300 and you can't get the most out of Zen 4's potential and technologies. I don't know if AMD's plans include having Zen 4 as the top range on AM5 and high/medium/low range on AM4, at least in the short term. But with the "Threadrippers" out, I'm not sure what AMD's final intention is.
I'll just say that buying the latest thing ends up costing you more and you might "end up" with some initial problems that taste bad when you've spent a lot of money.Best regards!!
That's very true, friend. I'm reminded of Intel's problems with the SATA ports in the first batches of the 1155 platform... And then, little by little, security holes appeared in the processors, which were fixed with patches that penalized a good percentage of performance...
In the end, one ends up getting scared of buying a newly launched platform. What technology is like...Best regards!
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It is not a very reliable source.
But it does mention certain "possible" prices.
https://www-muycomputer-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.muycomputer.com/2022/06/01/precio-placas-base-am5-ryzen-7000/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16541019889899&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=De %251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.muycomputer.com%2F2022%2F06%2F01%2Fprecio-placas-base-am5-ryzen-7000%2F
What I am seeing is a pretty interesting price drop for AMD 4.
I need to look into which programs/games really take advantage of 16 cores, which could be a determining factor in my choice.
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X670 and B650 motherboards for Ryzen 7000 will be affordably priced
AMD's new Ryzen 7000 processors will use a new socket, so you'll need to buy a new motherboard to build a PC based on this new generation of CPUs.
AMD has confirmed the arrival of different chipsets that will cover both the low-end and mid-range markets, as well as the mid-to-high and high-end markets, but nothing concrete had been said about the possible prices of motherboards with each of these chipsets.
A rumor has listed the possible prices of motherboards equipped with the X670E, which will be the top of the range, the X670, the B650E and the B650 and A620 chipsets. If this rumor is true, the starting prices could be quite affordable, although these will vary depending on the specific features that each manufacturer incorporates. For example, USB 4 support would add between 20 and 30 dollars to the cost of each motherboard.
Motherboards with the A620 chipset will be the cheapest, priced between 50 and 99 dollars, and will use a "trimmed" version of the B650 chipset. The B650 motherboards will be the most attractive because they would have a base price of 130 dollars, although they could reach 230 dollars in the more expensive and advanced versions.
Models with the B650E chipset would cost around 250 dollars, but would approach 350 dollars in their more expensive configurations. Models with the X670 chipset would have a starting price of 250 dollars and would cost up to 350 dollars, and versions with the X670E chipset would cost between 300 and 500 dollars.
All motherboards will support overclocking with the new Ryzen 7000 processors, except those based on the A620 chipset, which will be a version that follows the line of AMD's previous A-series motherboards.
Source: N3D
Best regards!
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I have read that the 670 chip does not "exist" as such, but rather it is two chips from the previous generation in tandem, which means it is cheaper but... The "E" series motherboards will be more expensive in order to support PCI E5 and mnV 5.
So... one thing for another.
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@clipper we'll see how it turns out, I haven't read anything that it's from a previous generation but what really matters is that it performs well and there are no problems like what happened at the beginning with the B550 and the USB ports. AMD has lost some market share in terms of processors and will probably have to think seriously about the steps it can take. In any case, I imagine that Zen 4 will arrive with motherboards with all its most important features for the vast majority of users, then we'll see what happens. Don't get too excited about PCI 5.0 since 4.0 is currently deployed and although many people are getting the most out of it, there are still quite a few users who are still using 3.0 xD
Certainly, considering the platform you come from, which was not very successful in its day (in terms of performance, although affordable in price) whatever change you make you are going to improve enormously! Your RX580 hasn't been able to get the most out of it during the time you've had it, you'll see the difference when you change the socket.Regards!!
P.D: In professional environments, all the performance improvements in Nvme, PCI, etc. are taken into account. For home users, unless one is an enthusiast, it's not economically worthwhile.
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Quick summary of what I've read about the new AMD5.
Change of socket and anchoring system, the pins move to the board (Intel system), the heatsinks are compatible with AMD 4 (which, if I remember correctly, is the same as AMD 3+ )
MnV 5 will be wider due to temperature issues, even though they will use the same connector, this implies that MnV 5 may not be compatible with certain AMD 4 boards, which doesn't make much sense, unless you want to upgrade an AMD 4 to AMD 5 little by little....
But MnV 4 will be compatible with the MnV 5 platform, even though they don't take advantage of the speed.
DDR 5 they don't say anything about whether the current DDR5 will be compatible with AMD, they say it supports XCM (Intel) but don't specify anything, if we have DDR5 for Intel and others for AMD, we're in trouble...
PCI X5, we already know, to take advantage of it, new graphics.
TPC more or less stable (I think it was 105)
CPU speed, they talk about turbo mode at 5.6 (with normal R.L) and O.C up to 5.8.
I suppose that if they come out "good", 6 Ghz will be stable with an R.L in good condition.
Three types of chips for low-end / mid-range / high.
The main difference between them is that the low-end, in theory, doesn't support O.C or MnV 5, the mid-range supports MnV 5 and in theory has dual chip and the high-end that supports everything.
As an advancement, it seems they are abandoning fans for the chip in the AMD 4 570 series and moving to passive cooling on the M.B.
But they also do it with the MnV 5 ports, as it's something I don't have, I'm not sure if the new MnV 5 will come with heatsinks or not, but the new boards don't seem to need them integrated into the MnV.
That it's cleaner is clear, but manufacturers need to agree.. I don't know.
As for power connectors for the M.B, it seems we stay the same (fortunately)
P.d AMD says that AMD 4 still has a lot of life left... But I've seen the 3D tests (last model) and it leaves it in a very bad way...
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