Update Amd3+ to?
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@clipper You would definitely gain performance everywhere, even choosing a random motherboard and memory.
The raid 0 of NVMe PCIe 4.0 is quite noticeable, at least in the tests I have seen. This is not the case with normal sata SSDs, but in NVMe PCIe 4.0 you get about twice the performance of a single drive.
You also have to consider what you prefer, whether to invest in more speed (NVMe are already very fast) or in more capacity to store/install programs.Best regards!
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I have "more than enough" storage capacity with 480 gigas.
I only have W10 pro AutoCAD and Day Z installed, apart from Steam and various gadgets like icue and the one from Logitech.
For backups (I don't have anything important to save) there are USBs and several mechanical disks that I have at home.
So speed is a priority, if you tell me that the mnV in RAID 0 double the speed then... It's clear.
Now it's time to fine-tune the configuration on the AMD 4 platform on what I've put and if you think there's something that can be improved. And wait until December, which is when I'll make the purchase more or less. I leave that deadline to see the results of the AMD 5.
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Prices are already coming out for the motherboards for AMD5 with the 670E chip (the top range, which is the only one that takes advantage of everything: ddr 5 PCI X5 and mnvX5 and they don't go below 500€ and I have never seen a top-range motherboard more expensive than a top-range CPU...
Prepare your wallets, gentlemen...
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The information will come in dribs and drabs, but it is quite possible that they will release "top-of-the-range" cards for €500 or more. What I am not sure about is whether 100% will only be the ones that can fully utilize their potential, because they sell you a card that is a bit more "modest" for €200-300 and you can't get the most out of the potential and technologies of Zen 4, which is absurd. I don't know if AMD's plans include the idea of having Zen 4 as the top of the range on AM5 and high/medium/low range on AM4, at least in the short term. But with the "Threadripper"s, I don't know what AMD's final intention is.
I'll just say that buying the latest thing ends up costing you more and you can "eat" some initial problems that taste bad when you leave good money behind.Regards!!
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@_neptunno_ said in Update Amd3+ to?:
The information will come in dribs and drabs, but it is quite possible that they will release "top-of-the-range" boards for €500 or more. What I am not sure about is whether 100% of them will be the only ones that can fully exploit their potential, because it's absurd that they sell you a board that is a bit more "modest" for €200-300 and you can't get the most out of Zen 4's potential and technologies. I don't know if AMD's plans include having Zen 4 as the top range on AM5 and high/medium/low range on AM4, at least in the short term. But with the "Threadrippers" out, I'm not sure what AMD's final intention is.
I'll just say that buying the latest thing ends up costing you more and you might "end up" with some initial problems that taste bad when you've spent a lot of money.Best regards!!
That's very true, friend. I'm reminded of Intel's problems with the SATA ports in the first batches of the 1155 platform... And then, little by little, security holes appeared in the processors, which were fixed with patches that penalized a good percentage of performance...
In the end, one ends up getting scared of buying a newly launched platform. What technology is like...Best regards!
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It is not a very reliable source.
But it does mention certain "possible" prices.
https://www-muycomputer-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.muycomputer.com/2022/06/01/precio-placas-base-am5-ryzen-7000/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#aoh=16541019889899&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=De %251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.muycomputer.com%2F2022%2F06%2F01%2Fprecio-placas-base-am5-ryzen-7000%2F
What I am seeing is a pretty interesting price drop for AMD 4.
I need to look into which programs/games really take advantage of 16 cores, which could be a determining factor in my choice.
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X670 and B650 motherboards for Ryzen 7000 will be affordably priced
AMD's new Ryzen 7000 processors will use a new socket, so you'll need to buy a new motherboard to build a PC based on this new generation of CPUs.
AMD has confirmed the arrival of different chipsets that will cover both the low-end and mid-range markets, as well as the mid-to-high and high-end markets, but nothing concrete had been said about the possible prices of motherboards with each of these chipsets.
A rumor has listed the possible prices of motherboards equipped with the X670E, which will be the top of the range, the X670, the B650E and the B650 and A620 chipsets. If this rumor is true, the starting prices could be quite affordable, although these will vary depending on the specific features that each manufacturer incorporates. For example, USB 4 support would add between 20 and 30 dollars to the cost of each motherboard.
Motherboards with the A620 chipset will be the cheapest, priced between 50 and 99 dollars, and will use a "trimmed" version of the B650 chipset. The B650 motherboards will be the most attractive because they would have a base price of 130 dollars, although they could reach 230 dollars in the more expensive and advanced versions.
Models with the B650E chipset would cost around 250 dollars, but would approach 350 dollars in their more expensive configurations. Models with the X670 chipset would have a starting price of 250 dollars and would cost up to 350 dollars, and versions with the X670E chipset would cost between 300 and 500 dollars.
All motherboards will support overclocking with the new Ryzen 7000 processors, except those based on the A620 chipset, which will be a version that follows the line of AMD's previous A-series motherboards.
Source: N3D
Best regards!
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I have read that the 670 chip does not "exist" as such, but rather it is two chips from the previous generation in tandem, which means it is cheaper but... The "E" series motherboards will be more expensive in order to support PCI E5 and mnV 5.
So... one thing for another.
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@clipper we'll see how it turns out, I haven't read anything that it's from a previous generation but what really matters is that it performs well and there are no problems like what happened at the beginning with the B550 and the USB ports. AMD has lost some market share in terms of processors and will probably have to think seriously about the steps it can take. In any case, I imagine that Zen 4 will arrive with motherboards with all its most important features for the vast majority of users, then we'll see what happens. Don't get too excited about PCI 5.0 since 4.0 is currently deployed and although many people are getting the most out of it, there are still quite a few users who are still using 3.0 xD
Certainly, considering the platform you come from, which was not very successful in its day (in terms of performance, although affordable in price) whatever change you make you are going to improve enormously! Your RX580 hasn't been able to get the most out of it during the time you've had it, you'll see the difference when you change the socket.Regards!!
P.D: In professional environments, all the performance improvements in Nvme, PCI, etc. are taken into account. For home users, unless one is an enthusiast, it's not economically worthwhile.
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Quick summary of what I've read about the new AMD5.
Change of socket and anchoring system, the pins move to the board (Intel system), the heatsinks are compatible with AMD 4 (which, if I remember correctly, is the same as AMD 3+ )
MnV 5 will be wider due to temperature issues, even though they will use the same connector, this implies that MnV 5 may not be compatible with certain AMD 4 boards, which doesn't make much sense, unless you want to upgrade an AMD 4 to AMD 5 little by little....
But MnV 4 will be compatible with the MnV 5 platform, even though they don't take advantage of the speed.
DDR 5 they don't say anything about whether the current DDR5 will be compatible with AMD, they say it supports XCM (Intel) but don't specify anything, if we have DDR5 for Intel and others for AMD, we're in trouble...
PCI X5, we already know, to take advantage of it, new graphics.
TPC more or less stable (I think it was 105)
CPU speed, they talk about turbo mode at 5.6 (with normal R.L) and O.C up to 5.8.
I suppose that if they come out "good", 6 Ghz will be stable with an R.L in good condition.
Three types of chips for low-end / mid-range / high.
The main difference between them is that the low-end, in theory, doesn't support O.C or MnV 5, the mid-range supports MnV 5 and in theory has dual chip and the high-end that supports everything.
As an advancement, it seems they are abandoning fans for the chip in the AMD 4 570 series and moving to passive cooling on the M.B.
But they also do it with the MnV 5 ports, as it's something I don't have, I'm not sure if the new MnV 5 will come with heatsinks or not, but the new boards don't seem to need them integrated into the MnV.
That it's cleaner is clear, but manufacturers need to agree.. I don't know.
As for power connectors for the M.B, it seems we stay the same (fortunately)
P.d AMD says that AMD 4 still has a lot of life left... But I've seen the 3D tests (last model) and it leaves it in a very bad way...
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While new data is coming out about the new AMD 5
I am looking at configurations on AMD 4.
As with AMD 5 I can only keep:
Corsair icue 500X rgb tower
Corsair RMX 750 i
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT
Graphics: XFX 580 8gs
Corsair modular wiring.
Backup SSD: kioxia 480 gs.M.B New, it's clear that I want one with the X570 chip ATX format, minimum two mnv2, I'm not going to do crossfire, I'm not going to mount 10 SSDs.
I don't need "lights"
If I want a network controller that supports 1gs speed (I don't rule out switching to Digi, currently I have O2 of 600 MB)
I don't rule out, rather I have in mind, mounting an R.L to the graphics with the R.L to GPU adaptation kit
Therefore better with multiple internal USBs or direct connectors for at least one R.L.
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CPU an AMD 9 5900 or a 5950, the big donkey thing... I'm not very clear about that...
RAM, I have 32 gs at 1600, so I don't go below 32 gs it's clear that an intermediate frequency (preferably without needing to do O.C, using XCM that recognizes it and a low cl).
With the possibility of going up to 64 gs in the future (maintaining speed, that already happened to me with the ddr 3 vipper black mamba, which are not compatible at 1866 Mhz
And a pair of MnV 2 in raid 0.
What do you suggest I look at?
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There have been some rumors that AMD is considering releasing a series of AMD 5 series processors for the Amd4 socket.
Of course, without compatibility for DDR5 and PCI 5 and the same for SSDs.
Personally, I see it as a step backwards.
It's kind of like buying a castrated thoroughbred...
I think I'll skip AMD 5 and upgrade to AMD 4 mid-range / high.
And I'll open the corresponding post to comment on any doubts.
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