Graphics Card Recommendation

[ferelxyx]

Hello and welcome

explain better with your team: processor, memory, what power supply you have,
what windows you use, etc…

is this your motherboard? MSI P6NGM-FD s775 NVIDIA MCP73PV Chipset FSB1333

regards

[Obione]

Bad deal, on that motherboard I can smell a modest processor and a crappy power supply. The ideal thing would be to put that money in the piggy bank and wait for an H61 (Intel) or AM3+ (AMD) motherboard. The AMD platform will come out cheap with an Ahtlon II x3 (€140 without memory) although an Intel i3 with 2 cores won't cost much more, €15-20 more expensive.

In short, that budget should go to motherboard + micro, RAM is cheap (you'll need DDR3). With that platform you could already consider investing that money in a graphics card with a 6870. Too bad you don't have the 5850 for 100 euros or a little more. For the power supply, the advisable thing would be to invest about €50 (500W decent).

[Tecnho]

I had that motherboard, with a prescoott P4, to play those games that you say you can't play with just graphics. Do what obione says and it's better to wait and save a little money to build a complete system.

[oTommy052]

@ferelxyx:

Hola y bienvenido

explicate mejor con tu equipo: procesador,memoria, que fuente de alimentacion tienes,
que windows usas, tec…

esta es tu placa base? MSI P6NGM-FD s775 NVIDIA MCP73PV Chipset FSB1333

saludos

Gracias por la bienvenida.
Esa placa tiene el mismo aspecto que la mía; en principio sí es esa, sólo que el color no es rojo, sino verde (Speccy no me especi-fica más). Sobre los demás componentes de mi equipo, tengo un procesador Pentium Dual-Core a 2,7GHz, 4GB de RAM DDR2, una fuente de alimentación tan patética que ni merece la pena mencionarla (he tenido en cuenta que si compro una nueva gráfica debo cambiarla), y uso Windows 7. Por cierto, mi actual gráfica es una ATI Radeon 4350 de 512MB.

@Obione:

Mal asunto, en esa placa patatera me huelo un procesador modesto y una fuente chunga. Lo ideal sería meter esos euros en el cerdito y esperar a por una placa H61 (Intel) o AM3+ (AMD). La plataforma AMD te saldrá baratilla con un Ahtlon II x3 (140€ sin memorias) aunque un Intel i3 de 2 cores no te saldrá por mucho más, 15-20€ más caro.

Resumidas cuentas, ese presupuesto debería ir para placa + micro, la RAM está barata (necesitarás DDR3). Con esa plataforma ya te podrías plantear invertir ese dinero en gráfica con una 6870. Lástima no tener la 5850 por 100 euretes o poco más. En fuente lo aconsejable sería invertir unos 50€ (500W decentillos).

Efectivamente, el procesador es modesto (ya he dicho cuál es) y la fuente una mierda (pero la cambiaré). En cuanto a cambiar el procesador y la placa… no está entre mis planes. El procesador por lo menos quiero conservarlo (al menos a medio plazo), y sobre la placa solo quiero saber si la que tengo soportaría una gráfica de esas características y en qué condiciones, o bien qué gráfica podría llegar a soportar mejor. Tampoco quiero cambiar, si no es necesario, la placa. Sobre las memorias RAM, ¿hay tanta diferencia entre DDR2 y DDR3?

@Tecnho:

Esa placa tuve yo, con un P4 prescoott, para jugar a esos juegos que dices no te vale solo con gráfica haz lo que te dice obione y mejor esperar ahorrar un poco y montar equipo completo.

Lo que preferiría es comprar ahora una gráfica y una fuente de alimentación, e ir ampliando poco a poco el ordenador. Más adelante irían una torre más grande y adecuada, junto con una placa base, y en último término el procesador y las memorias. Esta "agenda" acabo de pensarla ahora, pero podría ser bastante factible de llevarse a cabo.

Gracias a todos por las respuestas

[CNCBCN]

as they rightly say: better to save and upgrade the equipment starting with the foundations (not the roof) although your motherboard supports a "decent" graphics card, the bottleneck would not be very advisable :nono: you can look for something second-hand (micro or similar) to make it cheaper but start by upgrading the motherboard and everything that entails
greetings and welcome

[CNCBCN]

edit: double send

[oTommy052]

@CNCBCN:

as they rightly say: better to save up and upgrade your equipment starting with the foundations (not the roof) although your motherboard supports a "decent" graphics card, the bottleneck would not be very advisable :nono: you can look for something second-hand (micro or similar) to make it cheaper but start by upgrading the motherboard and everything that entails
regards and welcome

Let's say I change, in addition to the graphics card and the power supply, the motherboard; which one do you recommend based on that graphics card? The processor and the memory would be something to look at later... I just want to be able to enjoy some games that I now have to watch trailers for and bite my nails...

Edit: although a 6870 and a certain budget have been mentioned, due to the bottleneck effect that the processor would cause, I wouldn't mind, of course, going for cheaper models. I just want to ensure acceptable (decent) performance in games like the ones I referred to.

[CNCBCN]

bread for today hunger for tomorrow :nono:
if you want to waste money we can continue talking, if not it's not worth continuing down this path.

when we say that you update "motherboard" we mean that if or if it's motherboard memory and micro. Wanting to update only the motherboard is unthinkable. I imagine that your memory is at 800 +/- ¿no? No current motherboard works with that (and the micro less)
your order would be: 1st or 2nd power supply 2nd or 1st motherboard, micro, memory 3rd graphics and variable order the hard drive. About that we can talk about new components or second-hand but little more
P.D. I haven't tested the mafia, but Crysis asks for "a lot of PC" for 60/80 euros they sold a graphics card like mine over the network (but I doubt it's a good buy (there are new ones, a little more expensive but better))

[ferelxyx]

so your motherboard is this one? never mind, they have the same components

well, let's get to the point, you can buy this graphics card, it's pretty good and it's very cheap

Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 - 112 euros

and a decent power supply, EG: NOX NX Series 620W 47 euros - OCZ StealthXStream II 600W - 64 euros

it will be enough and it won't cost you too much

regards

[Obione]

Well, I expected a worse micro and 2GB of RAM

The 6850 has dropped a bit, good price :sisi:

[oTommy052]

A pity I didn't see your recommendation, ferelxyx. In the end I got a 600W power supply for the same price as the one you mentioned, but from the brand Thermaltake (Thermaltake LitePower 600W W0355RE Power Supply).

And I've lowered the graphics card level a bit. I went for the HD 6770, also with 1GB DDR5 (Sapphire Radeon HD 6770 1GB GDDR5 + Dirt3 11189-00-20G Graphics Card).

@Obione:

The 6850 has gone down a bit, good price :sisi:

It has gone down because if you look it says "Refurbished", that is, it came out damaged and was repaired (and tested)… that's why they sell it cheaper.

Thanks to everyone for your help. Regarding the change of the rest of the PC... I would appreciate it if you could recommend a combination of micro + cooler + motherboard + memory. With a view to December I can try to change those components; and if not, a little later, but I will change them. And while we're at it, what's left, a new tower.

Thanks again. Regards.

[Sylver]

Have you lowered the graphics level a bit? The 6770 performs better than the 6850

[Obione]

Come on, not even the 6790 pulls more than the 6850.

UY UY, refurbished no because the warranty is very thin :nono:

[Sylver]

I take back, you're right Obione

256 -bit GDDR5 in the 6850 compared to 128 -bit GDDR5 in the 6770, which offsets the higher clock frequency.

And certainly you have to move away from that refurbished 6850, they are long-term problems...

Regarding the board + micro + memories it would be a good option an ASRock P67, with an i5 2500K if you're going to overclock, and memories some G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 Gb
You would get everything for about 290 € approximately + 36€ of the heatsink, a Scythe Ninja 3.
If you don't want such a leap in quality and need to save money at the expense of something more modest, you can put an Asus P8H61 with an i3 2100 and the same memories, you would get everything for 190€ more or less + 26€ of the heatsink, a Scythe Shuriken in this case.

Regards

[oTommy052]

@Sylver:

Regarding the motherboard + micro + memory, an ASRock P67 would be a good option, with an i5 2500K if you're going to overclock, and memory like G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 Gb
You would get everything for about 290 € approximately + 36€ for the cooler, a Scythe Ninja 3.
If you don't want such a big jump in quality and need to save money at the expense of something more modest, you can put an Asus P8H61 with an i3 2100 and the same memory, you would get everything for 190€ more or less + 26€ for the cooler, a Scythe Shuriken in this case.

Thanks for the advice. I'll take note. Any more opinions on these components? A middle ground between those two prices that Sylver proposed is fine.

[Tecnho]

If you want a computer for a while and with good performance, a 2500k with a decent p67 motherboard like that asrock or an asus p8p67 would be great. The memory is also good, both the gskill and the corsair vegeance are very good and have almost the same price if you buy it now. Now, if your PC lasts until Christmas, we should have news about AMD's new bulldozers and maybe they will be good and in that case, a possible price drop and the ability to choose between one of the 2 brands.

[ferelxyx]

@Tecnho:

If you want a computer for a while and with good performance, a 2500k with a decent p67 motherboard like that asrock or an asus p8p67 would be great. The memory, both the gskill and the corsair vegeance, work very well and have almost the same prices if you buy it now. Now, if your PC lasts until Christmas, we would have to wait for news about AMD's new bulldozer and maybe they come out with good products and in that case, a possible price drop and the ability to choose between one of the two brands.

I say the same thing

regards

[oTommy052]

@Tecnho:

we would have to have news of the new AMD bulldozers and maybe some good stuff come out and in that case a possible price drop and the ability to choose between one of the 2 brands.

Good point; I hope the prices drop as you predict. I've read that they are coming out this month, am I right? (8 cores, what a madness for those who are still using 2… :frio:)

[Obione]

Damn Christmas, I hope it arrives sooner and look, with a Sandy I care a lot less but the one who wants to jump from platform and hasn't gone for a Sandy is pulling his hair out with every delay of the Bulldozer : little laughs:

I would love it if AMD gave a big hit with what is a big change in architecture, we'll see how they come out but well, in your case, these new micros don't seem especially interesting to me for gaming because the design of the games appreciates real cores, neither Hyper-Threadings nor Bulldozer modules.

[Tecnho]

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A mi el que mejor rendimiento de a por el voy que ando esperando a LGA2011 pero si AMD hace bien su trabajo a por el, pero las últimas "noticias" que ví hace poco daban para navidades con suerte espero equivocarme, y en esas fechas tmabien LGA2011 con el x79 a ver como va este trimestre cargadito de cosas.