It's a shame

[Bm4n]

I don't think that's the CNC issue.

What a shame, there was another death last year, they should consider new safety measures. It's a sport that I don't like, and even less so when I see these things.

[Sylver]

@Bm4n:

I don't think that's the CNC issue.

What a shame, there was another death last year, they should consider new safety measures. It's a sport I don't like, and even less when I see these things.

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[Tecnho]

Such a shame great pilot, D.E.P.

[AXUS]

I personally like my sport much more than all the others, and as the saying goes, you have to die for people to tell you how good you were (now nobody says anything about how dirty his driving was or his maneuvers on the edge of legality) I never liked him though.
May he rest in peace.

[Yorus]

AXUS, I don't know what media you have read/heard/seen, but a lot of people talk about his driving to the limit, bordering on anti-sportsmanship in many cases, at least that's what I see in terms of fans' comments on sports websites like Marca or AS. Another thing is that the news, especially on TV, tend to lean towards political correctness without measure.

I am one of those who also think that he was too aggressive, bordering on or exceeding the limit of the regulations, but this should never be mixed with something as serious as the loss of a life, therefore, except for some scoundrel, we all regret the death of Simoncelli, may he rest in peace.

And by the way, and let me vent, I also want to criticize from here the countless ones who then talk about the deaths in the horn of Africa and other places, since the fact that any death is lamentable does not mean that when it is someone we can put a face, voice, personality to and who has made us enjoy or get angry, it always affects us more, since by that rule of three the death of a family member or a friend should affect us the same as the death of an innocent at the hands of a group of narcos in Ciudad Juarez or an African drowned in a patera.

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[cobito]

@Yorus:

And by the way, and let me vent, I also want to criticize from here the countless ones who then talk about the deaths in the Horn of Africa and other places, since the fact that any death is lamentable does not mean that when it is someone we can put a face to, a voice, a personality and who has made us enjoy or get angry always affects us more, since by that rule of three the death of a family member or a friend should affect us the same as the death of an innocent at the hands of a group of narcos in Ciudad Juarez or an African drowned in a patera.

It is not comparable. This man knew that what he was doing had a risk and he assumed it. All the others you talk about are forced to die. I am certainly convinced of which situations are more lamentable.

As for sports, I am not very fond of motorcycles; I see them occasionally but not with much interest. Being the second accident in a year, I think it is imperative that they make changes, because if not this can easily turn into a Roman circus.

Anyway, it is a shame that the kid killed himself. Let's see if at least this incident serves to avoid other misfortunes.

[Obione]

There's little that can be done, you can't pull a trick out of the bag that prevents those 2 accidents. One to the neck, another very quickly to the stomach. If you fall and they take you away while you're still wearing your gear, you're screwed, you can't innovate like they did in formula one with the hans (which protects the neck from the jerk). You can protect a little more but it would mean less mobility and for that sport you can't even wear a spacesuit.

The important thing is to make circuits safer or take the appropriate measures when it rains or there's a possible defect in the tires. A lot of work has been done on the circuits with protections, escape routes... Where a little more innovation has been asked for is in the gloves, you only have to look at Lorenzo to have a current example, there are not a few who mess up their hands. If a motorcycle falls on you or you're run over, there's not much you can do.

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[Bm4n]

@Obione:

There's little that can be done, you can't pull a trick out of the sleeve that prevents those 2 runovers. One to the neck, another very fast to the stomach. If you fall and they take you while you're still on the bike, you're screwed, you can't innovate like what happened in formula with the hans (which protects the neck from the jerk). You can protect a little more but it would mean less mobility and for that sport you can't go in a spacesuit either.

The important thing is to make safer circuits or take the appropriate measures when it rains or there's some possible defect in the tires. A lot of work has been done on the circuits with protections, escape routes... Where a little more innovation has been asked for is in the gloves, you just have to look at Lorenzo to have a current example, there are not a few who mess up their hand. If a bike falls on you or you get run over, there's not much that can be done.

I don't agree, I think that technologically the safety in motorcycles hasn't evolved enough if there are bikers who wear suits with airbag because the ones in competition wear the same thing as any road biker... I don't know if it could have been avoided but it's clear that what there is isn't enough.

[Obione]

Man, safety in competition and on the street go hand in hand, it first comes out in competition and then it goes to the street, but the fact that you don't wear the hans and Mr. Alonso wears it doesn't mean that the bikes are falling asleep.

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[Yorus]

@cobito:

It's not comparable. This man knew that what he was doing had a risk and he took it. All the others you're talking about are forced to die. I am certainly convinced that some situations are more regrettable.

Of course they are not comparable, but you will always regret more the death of the one you know than the one you don't, whatever the circumstances, and that's what I'm referring to.

Let's give another example, a cousin of yours goes climbing and falls. On the other hand, three people die in Villanubla run over by a truck and the truck driver was drunk, which one will you regret personally more?

I also note that I have been following the world championship since Aspar, Sito Pons, Garriga and company were racing, which in turn means that in my case it affects me more than it does you. For you, in terms of emotional proximity, it's as if it were an African in a dinghy that we see on the Telediario, with the difference (and here I give you the reason, but it's in your case) that the African risks his life to seek a better life or even to be able to feed his family.

[Obione]

@CNCBCN:

man, gloves and helmets and suits have evolved a lot, another thing is that visually they look the same as always. the airbag can not be used in competition for a very simple reason ( for the street it works by cable ) as differences when the rider falls ( and can not avoid the fall ) to when the rider falls ( and is rolling on the ground ) leaving aside that a punch at 200 km/h disguised as a doubt well I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy ( clear example of the result, F1 indi car or whatever you want, every time a wheel jumps from the passing car ….. )

Lorenzo has had the airbag jump more than once.

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[Bm4n]

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[AXUS]

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@Yorus:

AXUS, no se que medios habrá leido/oido/visto, pero muchísima gente habla de su conducción al límite rozando en muchos casos la antideportividad, al menos es lo que veo en cuanto a los comentarios de los aficionados en webs deportivas como la de Marca o AS. Otra cosa es que los informativos, sobre todo de TV, tiren hacia lo políticamente correcto sin mesura.

Yo soy de los que piensa tambien que era demasiado agresivo rozando o superando el límite del reglamento pero nunca ha de mezclarse esto con algo tan serio como la pérdida de una vida, por lo tanto, salvo algún malnacido, todos lamentamos la muerte de Simoncelli, descanse en paz.

Y ya de paso, y dejad que me desahogue, tambien quiero críticar desde aquí a los innombrables que luego hablan de las muertes en el cuerno de África y otros lugares, ya que el hecho de que cualquier muerte sea lamentable no quita que cuando es alguien a quien podemos poner cara, voz, personalidad y que nos ha hecho disfrutar o cabrearnos siempre nos afecta mas, ya que por esa regla de tres la muerte de un familiar o un amigo debería afectarnos igual que la muerte de un inocente a manos de un grupo de narcos en Ciudad Juarez o un africano ahogado en patera.

Leo y releo tus comentarios y no los pillo haber si me puedes decir que tiene que ver tu respuesta con mi comentario.

1 Yo sigo el mundial de velocidad desde antes de que aspar saldria por Tve

2 Otros pilotos murieron antes y no tuvieron tales demostraciones de respeto Shoya Tomizawa murio el año pasado y tu puede, pero yo no recuerdo que le harian ni un poquito de lo que le an montado a Sic.

3 Lo del cuerno de africa ay ya te sales , personalmente yo al vecino del quinto le pongo cara voz etc pero para mi no es nada y si la palma mañana me dara la misma pena que cualquier otro vaya en patera le peguen un tiro o sea un cantanta famoso

4 Yo personalmente lo que leo y desde hace muchos años son Motociclismo y SoloMoto el Marca y el As lo dejo para los voceras del futbol.

[Yorus]

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Antes de nada siento que te hayas tomado mi respuesta como agresiva, pero nada mas lejos, a tí solamente iba destinado esto que cito:

@AXUS:

A mi si me gusta es mi deporte muy por encima de todos los demas , y como dice el refran tienes que morirte para que te digan lo bueno que eras (ahora ya nadie dice nada de lo sucio de su pilotaje o de sus maniobras al limite de lo legal) a mi nunca me gusto pero.
Que en paz descanse.

a lo que respondo:

@Yorus:

AXUS, no se que medios habrá leido/oido/visto, pero muchísima gente habla de su conducción al límite rozando en muchos casos la antideportividad, al menos es lo que veo en cuanto a los comentarios de los aficionados en webs deportivas como la de Marca o AS. Otra cosa es que los informativos, sobre todo de TV, tiren hacia lo políticamente correcto sin mesura.

¿Te parece un comentario fuera de tono o que no tenga nada que ver?, simplemente recalco sitios de gran tirada donde en general (y mira que suelen ser comentarios que vaya tela) la gente habla sin tapujos de como conducía, aunque me equivoqué en cuanto a tu fuente de información. Pero ahora que lo dices a ver si va a resultar que son las revistas especializadas las mas hipócritas…

Lo demás no va destinado a tí ni a nadie del foro y puedes opinar lo que quieras, pero a mi si me dolería mas lo del vecino, ya ves tú. Ahora me gustaría ver a unos cuantos mandando algo a esa gente en áfrica o dedicarle unos ojos vidriosos aunque fuera, pero te aseguro que son los menos. Yo lo siento, claro que sí, pero en este mundo no todo es blanco o negro, hay baremos, y dificilmente sentiré igual la muerte de dos personas distintas, porque sus circunstancias, respecto a mí o no, son distintas.

Si a la muerte de Simoncelli le han dado mas bombo piensa que ocurriría si hubiera sido Rossi, lo cual me lleva al punto que defiendo de popularidad, proximidad, etc...

Estoy empezando a escuchar unas tijeras, aunque he tratado de moderarme, porque tu tono es un poco agresivo y direccto hacia mí.

[CNCBCN]

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