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I've been playing with IPS for years and I still haven't found the famous ghosting :rollani: I must have very bad eyesight
I'm currently using a 2475w from HP that has an H-IPS 6ms gray to gray 12ms on/off, that is, I think it still hovers around 500€. -
@Krampak H-IPS 12ms real, with that you should not notice ghost you do not have bad eyesight what you have is a good monitor.
In this it does not necessarily have to be expensive you just have to look for the right one, IPS because why not. But that you go to notice the difference only in games I doubt it, in other things yes, but precisely in games it will not affect you the angle or the depth of color.
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I'll show you several models that I've found interesting, let me know what you think:
24" TN
Samsung Syncmaster S24A350H - LCD Monitor: Amazon.es: Electronics
23" IPS
Asus ML239H - LCD Monitor: Amazon.es: Electronics
The latter is apparently very good for gaming but has a brutal bleeding, does anyone have this monitor?
The idea is to buy it on Amazon, from what I've read they'll replace the monitor without questions and they won't charge you for the return shipping, has anyone bought from here?
Thanks! Best regards!
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Out of curiosity, what happened to the MVA panels?
Toda la actualidad en la portada de Hardlimit
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Well I've spent the whole afternoon watching videos and reviews, and I think the safest bet is this one:Asus ML239H - Monitor LCD: Amazon.es: Electrónica
I've seen videos on YouTube about the "bleeding" or the "glow" (I don't even know which term is correct anymore) of this monitor and I've started testing my own TN monitor for this "bleeding" and I have the same as that monitor and after 6 years it's the first time I see it (and that's because I was looking for it) so I guess it's not going to be something that affects me in the normal use of the monitor, I'll put some links to see what you think of the monitor:
Review: http://www.bestgamingmonitor.net/featured/asus-ml239h-review/
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_ml239h.htmVideos "glow":
In those videos you can see that when you look at the monitor in a normal position (sitting in front) the black looks black, there's no "glow", it's when you move it
And this video about using the monitor in games without ghosting:
How do you see it? Best regards!
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I've been playing with IPS for years and I still haven't found the famous ghosting :rollani: I must have very bad eyesight
Currently I'm using a 2475w from HP that has an H-IPS 6ms gray to gray 12ms on/off, that is, I think it still hovers around 500€.I've also never noticed even the slightest ghosting on my dell 3007wfp, but I have noticed it on more than one mediocre monitor with a TN panel
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What do you think about the ML239H?? Maybe I'll order it tonight so it arrives by Friday at the latest, depending on what you tell me.
Best regards!
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Finally I bought the Asus ML239H, I have received it this afternoon and I have been playing with it for a while, 0 defective pixels and the quality is very good, it looks like a quality product. It has some "bleeding" but it is not at all as exaggerated as they painted it, it is barely seen, for me it is not a problem. And in games, I have tried an FPS, the RAGE, 0 ghosting with the Overdirve at 40 out of 100, so if someone noticed ghosting at 40 it can still be raised more so I can say without any problem that it is an IPS GAMING MONITOR, I recommend it! Goodbye! -
Finally I bought the Asus ML239H, I received it this afternoon and I've been playing with it for a while, 0 defective pixels and the quality is very good, it looks like a quality product.
It has some "bleeding" but it's not as exaggerated as they painted it, it's barely visible, for me it's not a problem.
And in games, I've tried an FPS, RAGE, 0 ghosting with Overdrive at 40 out of 100, so if someone noticed ghosting at 40 you can still go up higher so I can say without any problem that it's an IPS GAMING MONITOR, I recommend it!
Best regards!
Now to enjoy it
Best regards!!
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Finally I bought the Asus ML239H, I received it this afternoon and I've been playing with it for a while, 0 defective pixels and the quality is very good, it looks like a quality product.
It has some "bleeding" but it's not as exaggerated as they painted it, it's barely visible, for me it's not a problem.
And in games, I've tried an FPS, RAGE, 0 ghosting with Overdrive at 40 out of 100, so if someone noticed ghosting at 40 you can still go up higher so I can say without any problem that it's an IPS GAMING MONITOR, I recommend it!
Best regards!
How nice it is that people, after asking and commenting about components, come back to give their impression about what they've bought. ;D
This way you also help other forum members in similar situations and enrich the forum.:)
Congratulations on your attitude and enjoy your new monitor a lot.Best regards
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Thanks!
I should mention that I did find one defective pixel on the entire panel, just one, that is only visible on a black background, it is very little or not visible at all, even so I mentioned it to Amazon where I bought it to see what they said, I told them that it only has 1 bright pixel on a black background (I previously read on Asus that they will change the monitor for just 1 bright pixel on a black background) and to find out if they will change it or if I have to talk to Asus.
In the response from Amazon they have already told me directly that on Monday I will receive another monitor like this and that I should return this one when the other arrives, all without shipping costs.
I was also asking in the post about Amazon and their sales and return policy, I also replied to myself, a 10 for Amazon, that for just 1 bright pixel they will change the monitor and without shipping costs.
Best regards!
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The return for defective pixels I think is set by the manufacturer rather than the store. I don't think they will replace a monitor for 1 pixel if the manufacturer only gives a warranty from 2 (just to say something), although perhaps I am wrong and they are very picky
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Hello again! Well, I'm afraid I have to correct my words from the previous message, here's what happened:Yesterday I received the other Asus monitor to replace the one with the faulty pixel, I turn it on and check that it doesn't have any faulty pixels, it doesn't, so far so good, the problem comes when I realize that this new unit has a brutal, exaggerated "bleeding", so much so that on a black background, the black looks green... which the previous one didn't do at all, some slightly purple black tone, but barely visible.
With this I realize that Asus has released a product with very poor quality control, that is, buying this model is an absolute lottery, if it's not one thing it's another, and getting everything right is almost impossible.
Therefore, I'm tired of this model and so many manufacturing defects, so I've talked to Amazon and this afternoon I've sent both monitors back, now I just have to wait for the refund.
I'll also tell you other impressions after returning to my 20" Samsung TN LCD monitor (from a 23" IPS LED):
The Asus looked much better than my Samsung, especially in games, but also because of course the Asus is 1920x1080 and my Samsung is 1680x1050, I think in this case it's the resolution and not the panel that makes the difference. I also want to mention that the Asus DID have "ghosting", now that I'm back to the 2ms TN I've noticed it a lot, IPS are still not for gaming.
From Asus to Samsung I noticed more striking and vibrant colors, and more contrast from the Asus compared to the Samsung, but in this case I think it's the LED lighting versus the conventional Samsung's that makes the difference, which makes for more contrast and more vibrant colors.
The viewing angles, without a doubt here the Asus made a big difference, there's no possible discussion about this.
With all this I want to come to the conclusion that, unless you're into photography and you're going to need optimal color precision (for printing, for example) IPS are not necessary for anything, especially for gaming users, TNs are still the ones that make the difference, especially for their speed, and I think it's also necessary to add that more precise colors (IPS) doesn't mean more beautiful and better, which is something that's always confused, I think that for beautiful and striking colors it's the LED lighting that makes a difference, not the type of panel.
Best regards!
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Hola de nuevo! Bueno me temo que tengo que rectificar mis palabras del anterior mensaje, os cuento:
Ayer me llegó el otro monitor Asus para reemplazar al que estaba con el píxel defectuoso, lo enciendo y compruebo que no tenga píxeles defectuosos, no los tienen, hasta aquí bien, el problema viene cuando me doy cuenta de que esta nueva unidad tiene un "bleeding" brutal, exagerado, tanto que en un fondo negro, el negro se ve verde… cosa que al anterior no le pasaba en absoluto, algún tono negro ligeramente morado, pero apenas visible.
Con esto me doy cuenta de que Asus ha sacado un producto con un control de calidad pésimo, es decir, comprar este modelo es una lotería absolutamente, si no es una cosa es otra, y que te toque todo bien es casi imposible.
Por lo tanto, ya me he cansado de este modelo y de tanto fallo de fabricación, asi que he hablado con Amazon y esta tarde les he mandado ambos monitores de vuelta, ahora me falta esperar al reembolso del dinero.
Os comento también otras impresiones después de volver a mi monitor Samsung TN LCD de 20" (desde un IPS LED de 23"):
El Asus se veia mucho mejor que mi Samsung, sobre todo en juegos, pero también por el hecho claro de que el Asus es 1920x1080 y mi Samsung es 1680x1050, creo en este caso es la resolución y no el panel la que marca la diferencia. Tambien comentar que el Asus SI tenía "ghosting", ahora al volver al TN de 2ms lo he notado y mucho, los IPS aún no son para juegos.
Del Asus al Samsung he notado colores mas llamativos y vivos, y mas contraste por parte del Asus frente al Samsung, pero en este caso creo que se trata de la iluminación LED frente a la convencional del Samsung, la que hace que haya más contraste y colores más vivos.
Los ángulos de visión, sin duda aquí el Asus marcaba mucho la diferencia, en esto no hay discusión posible.
Con todo esto quiero llegar a parar a la conclusión de que, a no ser que te dediques a la fotografía y vayas a necesitar una precisión de color óptima (para imprimir, por ejemplo) los IPS no son necesarios para nada, para usuarios de juegos sobre todo, los TN aún son los que marcan la diferencia, sobretodo por su velocidad, y creo que también hay que añadir que unos colores más precisos (IPS) no quiere decir más bonitos y mejores, que es una cosa que siempre se confunde, creo que para colores bonitos y llamativos es la iluminación LED la que se nota, no el tipo de panel.
Un saludo!
supongo que sabras como se instala un monitor no? configuracion de la diferentes opciones, calibrar rgb y todo eso…
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supongo que sabras como se instala un monitor no? configuracion de la diferentes opciones, calibrar rgb y todo eso…
Sí
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Después de todo esto, sigo necesitando el cambio de monitor, asi que me planteo la compra de un 21,5" LED TN, dudo entre estos 2 modelos, aver que me decis:
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Benq RL2240H (+- 130€)
BenQ España - Informática -
Philips 227E3LHSU (+- 140€)
http://www.philips.es/c/pc-monitores/e-line-de-54.6-cm-21.5-pulgada-227e3lhsu_00/prd/
La verdad es que el Philips me llama mucho la atención, y por que siempre se dice que Philips es una gran marca en cuanto a Televisores, nose como son los monitores la verdad.
El Benq tiene buena pinta tambien, pero me falla el color blanco del monitor.
Con cual os quedais?
Admito sugerencias de un monitor 21,5" LED Full HD que no pase de los 150€, uso para juegos e internet.
Gracias! Un saludo!
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El Asus se veia mucho mejor que mi Samsung, sobre todo en juegos, pero también por el hecho claro de que el Asus es 1920x1080 y mi Samsung es 1680x1050, creo en este caso es la resolución y no el panel la que marca la diferencia. Tambien comentar que el Asus SI tenía "ghosting", ahora al volver al TN de 2ms lo he notado y mucho, los IPS aún no son para juegos.
Iba a no decirlo pero casi que mejor lo digo… TE LO DIJE!
Entre esos 2 modelos me quedo con el Philips
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Iba a no decirlo pero casi que mejor lo digo… TE LO DIJE!
Entre esos 2 modelos me quedo con el Philips
Jajaja y hubieses tenido razón jaja
De momento me tira mas el Philips, lo malo es que no he encontrado ninguna review ni del Philips ni del Benq :nono:
Bueno tengo unos días para decidir, hasta que no me reembolsen el dinero no podré comprar otro monitor, asi que de momento esperar y ver cual puede ser la mejor opción.
Gracias! Un saludo!
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Por cierto, a ver que opinais, pero me da la impresión de que este Benq:
http://benq.es/products/LCD/index.cfm/product/1226
es quizás el mismo monitor que el RL2240H, y que te meten 30€ más con el marketing de que es un monitor "gamer", que opinais? A mi me parecen el mismo monitor.
Un saludo!
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