Stories not to sleep.

[Kernel1.0]

Así se gestó el hackeo a iCloud que terminó con los datos de un periodista - FayerWayer without comments, just say that great work of social engineering.

[cobito]

For me the worst part of the story is not that they deleted his data but that they could have had access to it.

I have installed Owncloud on my emulePC and it's a marvel: 1.5 Tb for just over 30€/year in electricity costs.

[Kernel1.0]

I agree with what Steve Wozniak says, "the cloud sucks", he's not the first to say it but he's the last to say it, the day it's going to be funny is the day they hack Apple's server... or any other and have massive access to passwords. You already know that I'm anti-facebook and anti-cloud. Of course it's not that I think my data is safer on a hard drive at home than it is on any of these services (a thief could break in and steal the disk for example), but at least I feel like I own my data, because these companies wash their hands if one day everything disappears and that's not fair.

[lforos]

Thinking about this a bit, I find it curious that so many people see "cloud" services as an irreversible evolution and the clearest future of information management. I don't see it as clear in technology (like the examples you describe) and much less in the "organic" sense, since the loss of control of information is not only technical.

As an example, do we know in which country our cloud data is physically stored?, are we aware of the implications of this (legislation and regulation of the country in question, provision of services, etc.)?

I need a vacation...

[Kernel1.0]

That in the long run is energetically unfeasible we have already commented on and the truth is, knowing what these farms consume and how energy is getting, it will be cheaper to have it locally and turn on the disk when needed xD. Let's remember what happened just recently with Megaupload.

[cobito]

@lforos:

Thinking about it a bit, I find it curious that so many people see "cloud" services as an irreversible evolution and the clearest future of information management. I don't see it as clear in technology (like the examples you describe) and much less in the "organic" sense, since the loss of control of information is not just technical.

For example, do we know in which country our cloud data is physically stored? Are we aware of the implications of this (legislation and regulation of the country in question, provision of services, etc.)?

I need a vacation...

Those questions are not trivial. In fact, until now it was normal to use the "cloud" with email, which meant, for example, having family photos, personal videos or the plans of a new invention in the hands of a stranger.

I am also reluctant to use many of these services today. For now, I use, as I said, email and Mozilla's synchronization service. For other things, I don't use it because I don't need it (I am self-sufficient with an old PC as a server and a home connection).

On the other hand, there is the issue of reliability and with Megaupload we have seen how many paying users have lost completely legitimate files.

[packosoft]

there are things that inevitably have to be 'in the cloud' like email and such, but for large companies to consider that seems like a huge mistake to me. Every time my boss talks about Microsoft's Azure and its SQL in the cloud, I get cold sweats, not to mention that with the crap connections we still have in hispanistan, there's nothing to scratch

[Yorus]

I am with you, the cloud is necessary in some cases, but that almost all our data walks around there in who knows what servers managed by who knows what hands… that is no longer the case.

But companies will continue to sell it as the panacea of the 21st century, telling us that soon there will be no need for computers like the current ones because everything will be done in the cloud and that it is an inevitable future, so we will forget about contraptions like current PCs, hard drives, etc... Of course, our data is their business, and sometimes they play more than they should with us, whether with changing and unclear privacy policies (some don't care, they weren't going to read them) or with other types of tricks.

This is one of the reasons why I have stopped using Gmail continuously and now use GMX. No, I don't trust GMX more than Google, but Gmail through IMAP is excessively convoluted for the average user, because of the use of labels and because many times you find that supposedly deleted emails are found in other "folders", such as the "all" folder or others like it. I get the impression that they play the dizzy game so that you always have your Gmail full of emails for their personalized advertising or whatever it is. Now, since I have an Android mobile, some things that others know about me, but I also don't want to go to unhealthy extremes.

Cobito, I think I'm going to have to try that Owncloud, although my miniserver has caught a bit of an allergy to Linux and for now I have an XP :llorar:

[cobito]

@Yorus:

Cobito, me da que voy a tener que probar ese Owncloud, aunque mi miniserver le ha cogido un poco de alergia a Linux y para ir tirando tengo un XP :llorar:

En Windows XP lo tienes fácil con XAMPP.

Si quieres te abro una cuenta de 100Gb en el mio para que lo pruebes.

[Yorus]

@cobito:

In Windows XP you have it easy with XAMPP.

Oh crap, that's what happens when I don't look at it properly :facepalm:.

@cobito:

If you want, I'll open a 100Gb account on mine for you to try it out.

Thanks, it's not necessary, in fact I'm in the process of installing a web server to prepare a page for a project with some friends, although later we'll get a domain and hosting (cloud everywhere ;D)

[deeiivid]

What a great looking thing OwnCloud is. Too bad it's not for OSX.
I'll have to resurrect an old PC to put Linux on it and get it going.

[Yorus]

@deeiivid:

What a great looking OwnCloud is. Too bad it's not available for OSX.
I'll have to resurrect an old PC to put Linux on it and get it running.

As Cobito told me, it doesn't matter the operating system, what you need is to be able to set up a web server with PHP support (rare is the one that doesn't have it except for some extremely minimalist ones) and MySQL: OwnCloud installation

To use them there are clients for Windows, Linux and MacOS X. What I don't see at the moment are supports for iOS and Android, but time will tell.

[deeiivid]

Pues si consigo arrancar mi viejo macbook me pondré manos a la obra!