PC without a graphics card

[cobito]

Hello. It's a PC that will be used exclusively for rendering and as mentioned in this thread, the only thing that matters is the power of the processor.

So it's a tower WITHOUT a graphics card. When there is conclusive information about the benefits of using CUDA cores for rendering, a graphics card will be added.

I opt for Haswell and it will have at least 16gb of RAM.

There will be no OC.

There is no defined budget, but it should be around 500€.

My initial doubt is: Are the 60€ that separate the 4670k from the 4770k worth it for 2 mb more of cache and HT?

Proposed equipment:

i5-4670K: 210€
Asrock H87M Pro4: 81€ (Because it has 4 RAM slots)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 2TB: 76€
G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600 PC3-12800 16GB 2x8GB CL10: 120€
Cooler Master K280 USB 3.0: 32€
Nox Urano VX 650W: 44€
NOX NX120 120mm 1000rpm: 5€
LG GH24NS95 DVD Burner 24x: 16€

TOTAL: 580€

Thanks.

[garfield]

Hello:

Well, given that the processor is used to the max in rendering, I think that HT and the cache will be very necessary.

[ferelxyx]

Clearly the i7 has more raw power than the i5, so if you want that, definitely go for the i7
I would buy a decent cooler for it, the cooler it is, the better it performs. Scythe Katana 4 - Fan/Cooler - 22 euros

regards

[cobito]

Juer, well there is a difference:

3dMark 11 Physics (4670K): 6650
3dMark 11 Physics (4770K): 8880

Passmark (4670K): 7537
Passmark (4770K): 10016

33% faster for 29% more price.

For now I'm going head over heels for that one although I will keep looking for information.

I take note of the heatsink. The problem is the budget, which is still dancing a bit. Anyway, if necessary, it won't even have a hard drive (someone will manage to find one that's collecting dust around here).

[garfield]

Get one that is not the stock one, that is not very very expensive and ready. I have assembled the very cheap actic cooling ones.

[cobito]

Well, the final budget is 700€, so I've put the highest Haswell available and the PC will be as follows:

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K: 283,50€
Motherboard: Asrock H87 Fatal1ty Performance: 91,80€
Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 2TB SATA3 64MB: 75,60€
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL9: 123,40€
Case: Cooler Master K280 USB 3.0: 31,60€
Power supply: Nox Urano VX 650W: 43,50€
Case fan: NOX Acid Blaster120mm Rev.2: 4,50€
Optical drive: LG GH24NS95: 15,10€
Heatsink: Scythe Katana 4: 22,50€

TOTAL: 691,5€ + 9,90 € shipping costs= 701,4€

I have a special doubt about the motherboard. Do you suggest another one? Maybe another chipset?

About the case or the power supply, anything to object? Maybe too much power supply? Do you know a case that would be better?

About the RAM, is it worth spending on another brand?

About the heatsink, is it enough for that micro?

Any change that implies an increase in price will mean changing another component for a cheaper one to adjust everything to 700€.

Thanks.

[XaviJS]

Last year I was messing around with 3DS MAX too and I discovered more or less what you're talking about. To do the final rendering, it is true that it uses a lot of CPU if you use the default parameters, but I think there are other rendering modes in which you can take full advantage of the graphics and it is much faster than with the CPU. I can't tell you exactly how to configure it, I left it and never touched it again. I can tell you loose names: CUDA, iRAY, I can't remember more xD. I'll leave you a video that compares a rendering using CPU and GPU:

By the way, if you finally decide to use the CPU for rendering, you might gain some pico if you put an external graphics card to free the CPU from having to process what is shown on the monitor. Research a little about this of rendering using the GPU to see if it compensates you. EDIT 1: I'll leave you another video that I found:

Saludos!

[cobito]

@XaviJS:

Last year I was tinkering with 3DS MAX too and I discovered more or less what you're talking about.

To do the final rendering, it is true that it uses a lot of CPU if you use the default parameters, but I think there are other rendering modes where you can take full advantage of the graphics and it is much faster than with the CPU.

I don't know exactly how to configure it, I left it and never touched it again. I can tell you some names: CUDA, iRAY, I can't remember more xD.

I leave you a video that compares a rendering using CPU and GPU:

By the way, if you finally decide to use the CPU for rendering, you might gain some speed if you put an external graphics card to free the CPU from having to process what is shown on the monitor.

Research a bit about rendering using the GPU to see if it's worth it.

Saludos!

I've been reading something about GPU rendering. For now it seems that the topic is too green to be taken completely seriously. As for putting an external graphics card so that it doesn't consume processor, the PC will be used exclusively with remote desktop from another PC with a Quadro from where it will be previewed and another non-raw work will be done.

Anyway, it's a computer that is expected to be expanded. They are already thinking about the 32 Gb of RAM and as soon as there is conclusive results about the benefits of CUDA, they will put not one, but the amount of graphics cards necessary to optimize performance with the least amount of money.

For now, they are playing it safe. In 6 months or a year we will see how the topic evolves.

[XaviJS]

Ah perfect, I didn't read that it would be used remotely. So, if you prefer the robustness that CPU rendering offers… The more beastly the better xD

Best regards!

[garfield]

For the price you have, I wouldn't eat any more of the jar. And also, that micro has gpu, right?

[cobito]

@garfield:

For the price you have, I wouldn't eat the jar anymore. And also, that micro has gpu, right?

In fact it has an HD4600 which, for being integrated, has a pretty decent performance. The only problem with the integrated is the access to RAM and the fact that it consumes a percentage of the RAM, but if it's going to be controlled by remote desktop and it's going to have 16 Gb of RAM, these are two harmless issues.

What I doubt the most is the motherboard, but I really don't have many options in terms of chipset with this budget. Be that as it may, I'll place the order tomorrow.

[Verntallat]

Hello everyone
I don't want to be a party pooper, but... that power supply is not adapted to the amperage needs of the new SOCKET 1150
It lacks a 12v connection at 0.05 amp

[Bm4n]

@Verntallat:

Hola a todos
No me gustaria ser un aguafiestas, pero…esa fuente no esta adaptada para las necesidades del amperaje de los nuevos SOCKET 1150
Falta una conexion de 12v a 0.05 amp

The manufacturer says it's compatible: http://nox-xtreme.com/producto/urano-vx-650w/57/. Why are you saying that?

[Verntallat]

If you are so kind "copy and paste" part of the text where it specifies, I do not see it ;D

[cobito]

@Verntallat:

If you are so kind "copy and paste" part of the text where it specifies, I do not see it ;D

[Verntallat]

I take off my hat. CHAPEAU!!!:sisi: