About cars

[Tecnho]

@Mystique:

Just saying the make of the car has told me everything... Italians are far away.
They are very beautiful, but anything that goes beyond 2 wires is too much for them.

I recently sold a Stilo that we had and it's a chestnut, coils every 2x3, warning lights that fail, etc.
In the case of the airbag warning light for the passenger, the problem is clear, the connector that connects the seat sensor wire to the "rest of the car" fails a lot. The best thing is to change it for a molex, for example. Also, in the same car, the rear lights failed to the point that the connector became loose, sparks jumped and the connector was fried. Solution, change of connectors, cable soldered and it works better than the original.

Well I am a lover of Alfas, and I think that now at least the electrics work XD

[ferelxyx]

Italian cars are fast, stable and I can't even count the rest, the electronics and finishes are terrible and they always make noises somewhere
German cars are the most reliable and Japanese ones

I have a 1990 Ford Fiesta that I drove new and it was made in Germany and it still works
I only changed the clutch once, the rear brakes once and the front ones several times, including the discs, and once the exhaust
What broke several times were the electric windows due to wear and tear, I changed the one on my side three times and the one on the right once

The best thing nowadays is to buy a Dacia Sandero (Renault warranty) for 4700 euros new (with a 2000 euro discount for the old car)
It has the same engine as the Clio, it's the size of a GOLF and it works well, so what more do you want for that money

regards

[deeiivid]

I've been driving an A3 for 13 years, and the only repairs it's had have been my own… It's got 240,000 miles on it and it runs perfectly.
It's been passed down in the family and has never had any problems. I wouldn't change it if it weren't for things like this: New vehicles - SEAT León COPA | SEAT.es which makes you want one…

He's probably going to retire by September, but I'm telling you, if it weren't for the PIVE, I'd keep him much longer.
The electronics from the Italians have always been rubbish, but from what I've read, lately especially the Alfas have improved a lot. The Giulietta really does make you want one...

But, if you want reliability, there's nothing like the Japanese, and it just goes to show with their 7 year warranties.

PD: I just flipped out when I saw in the link NEW VEHICLES lol accent stuff xD

[Sylver]

Japanese and Germans are in charge, that's the way it is. For my taste, most of the Fords made in Germany are really tough cars, as well as the Opels. I have lived through the passage of a couple of Opels and a Ford through various parts of my family, and none of them went to the scrapyard, they just changed hands.
For me, a purely mechanical car from the 90s with four basic indicators, a/c and d/a is more practical than a modern one. It's another thing to talk about designs, aesthetics, consumption, performance... there are still gems from the 90s that give a lot of trouble, but for example in terms of safety there is no comparison... The best option in that aspect is necessarily a modern vehicle, which has undergone more tests and has been better studied with more advanced knowledge about occupant safety.

Regards

[ferelxyx]

I like the: FORD FOCUS ECOBOOST SPECIAL EDITION with PLAN PIVE for €13,900
it has a 1000 cc engine and 125 HP

but for now I can't buy it, otherwise I would, I would probably end up buying the Dacia Sandero
it's a decent and cheap car and it's more than enough for getting around

regards

[deeiivid]

@ferelxyx:

I personally like the: FORD FOCUS ECOBOOST SPECIAL EDITION with PLAN PIVE for €13,900
it has a 1000 cc engine and 125 HP

but for now I can't buy it, otherwise I would probably end up buying the Dacia Sandero
it's a decent and cheap car and it's more than enough for getting around

regards

The only thing I see is that the torque of the focus 1.0 is a bit poor. But it's pretty good to be honest.

At home we have never had "American" cars. Always German except for a Clio. My father drives 100,000 a year and he doesn't want anything other than German. The car that made him happiest was a Passat that reached 360,000 without major repairs.

[Bm4n]

I don't trust these small engines, 1.0, three-cylinder, etc. for a small or city car it's okay but you load it up for a trip and you go up a hill or on the highway and the car will suffer and consume much more than a larger engine, and I don't know when it will cost to change a turbo like that.

The funny thing is that then a good engine even if it has a higher displacement doesn't consume much more, I say this because my 1.6 vw diesel compared to a 2.2 honda for example doesn't have much difference in consumption and a lot of power. And on the contrary I have tried the 1460cc that renault mounts and although it's not much of a difference compared to a 1600 on the highway you can tell that it doesn't pull the same. In the city these cars do compensate, if I had to choose for the city I would probably go for a gasoline one, the multiair from fiat is pretty good.

But if you're doing miles I would go for a 1.6-1.8 diesel, and for long distances a 2.0.

Now if I were to choose an engine maybe today I would go for the honda 1.6 idtec with 120hp.

[deeiivid]

For the moderately long trips (150-200km) that I do every weekend, plus the return trip (total 300-400), I take my father's car, which is a c220 with a 2.2 and four cylinders, and the average consumption of the trip is 5.4L per 100km at a speed of 130-135 on the highway, much less than my Audi 7 i pico L (normal… they are 10 years old xD).

And on the road I take, there are some quite prolonged and strong ups and downs and with cars like the Prius (which he took on a leasing for the company and is already fed up) they become almost impossible and end up consuming 4.8L.
It is impossible to overtake with the Prius and the engine seems like it is going to explode from the noise it makes. For the city, it is a joy, but you leave it and you can give up at the first decent climb.

If you do a lot of road, you are always exposed to slopes. It is good to look at the engine torque, not just the horses or the consumption.

[ferelxyx]

European FORD and CHEVROLET are German and not American
and besides where did you see an American car that consumes 3.6 liters per 100Km
an American car with 3.6 liters does not even do 20 Km

what is clear is that until recently no one bothered to improve gasoline engines
because diesel was the fashion and more than 80% of sales, only HONDA had and has the best
gasoline engines and even so I buy diesel engines to be able to compete with the others
and then I manufacture them myself and anyway they are going to stop making diesel engines

The 1.7 diesel of the previous civic was isuzu, the 2.0 td of the other civic was rover,…
The first Honda integrated gasoline engine is the recent i-CTDI

regards

[Bm4n]

How? Honda is going to abandon diesel, just as it has just started! And they are the best.

[ferelxyx]

man the 2.2 i-ctdi from HONDA is considered the best in the world
it seems that they are going to stop manufacturing them because they only made it for the european market
the rest of the world uses gasoline and the japanese hate diesels

which by the way they are right, diesels are for big cars, off-road vehicles, vans, trucks and other
a car and more if it is a sports car with gasoline, it is clear

regards

[Bm4n]

Man forever gasoline but for those of us who spend a lot... We have to settle for diesel. And you see the 2.2 from Honda is almost like a gasoline, of course as the Japanese the car is just for show... But in the US I think they will gradually adopt more diesel.

Pd. And the 1.8 140hp from Honda is also amazing if it weren't for the price difference between diesel and gasoline... And that's atmospheric! :speechless:

[ferelxyx]

Most people really don't care about petrol because they don't drive many kilometers
and if you calculate what you drive, the consumption and the price of the car, most people are a bit stupid
EG: a petrol car costs 10,000 euros, the same diesel car costs 12,000/13,000 euros
if you drive 10,000Km a year or less, when you subtract the 2,000/3,000 euros difference in price
if diesel costs a little less than petrol and the difference in consumption is small

for most people, including myself, going to work, taking a walk, and other activities, a 1.4 petrol engine is more than enough

the problem in Europe has always been that diesel was better, that it consumes less, that that, that
it's all marketing and you eat it whether you want to or not, because others do it and manufacturers almost force you to

regards

[Bm4n]

In my case, I drive about 25,000km/year and the price difference between diesel and petrol was €1,000 in my car. Today, with a difference of about 10c per liter (before it was about 5c) and approximately calculating a difference in consumption of 1l/100 between the same diesel-petrol engine; I save €500 a year, that is, in two years it is amortized.

Obviously, it pays off or not depending on the km you drive and how long you want the car to last. Without a doubt, I would prefer to buy petrol, but when you spend a lot on oil, you have to think about the economy, although I completely agree that diesel is not a panacea and if you drive 10,000km/year, buy a petrol and enjoy it.

Of course, there are other factors, the resale value which, if I'm not mistaken, they said was higher in diesel, the difference in fuel price has increased, now there are more economical petrol engines with turbo, although the price difference has decreased between engines, and maintenance although it is not as it used to be, also the extra weight of the engine… In short, everyone should do their own calculations, basically those who drive a lot will spend diesel, those who don't won't need it.

[Sylver]

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Mi Scénic es 1.9 DCI con 105cv y la verdad que es lo más versátil que he visto hasta ahora. 5.1L a los 100, pero eso es totalmente estimado, porque yo he llegado a hacer 3 y pico a los 100 controlando el consumo con el ordenador de abordo y sin abusar demasiado del acelerador (y sin tardar 5 horas en recorrer el trayecto, dato muy importante) xD
En realidad, la mayoría de los mejores motores diésel que se han hecho son BMW, en cuestión de rendimiento y potencia. Otra cosa es la eficiencia en el consumo, donde sí que es cierto que hay otros motores que arrojan mejores cifras.
De cualquier forma, yo añoraré un gasolina por la potencia, y me haya comprado un gasolina dentro de poco, añoraré un diésel y mi Scénic, por la ingente cantidad de dinero que se me irá por el depósito :ugly:

Saludos

[Yorus]

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A mi siempre me han gustado mas los gasolina, y los dos primeros coche que he tenido lo han sido, pero como empezaba a hacer muchos kilómetros por culpa del curro (técnico de campo) pues me compré un diesel, y a los pocos años me cambian de puesto y ya no salgo fuera, así que ahora tengo un Ibiza TDI 100v con 140.000 Kms y la de años que pueden pasar hasta que le haga otros 140.000…

Un compañero tiene un VW Passat TDI 90cv que ya pasa de 300.000 y lo mismo pasa con otro con un Saxo 1.5D que ya está mas cerca de los 400.000... parecemos taxistas (bueno, yo ya no).

[ferelxyx]

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@Bm4n:

En mi caso hago unos 25000km/año y la diferencia de precio diésel-gasolina era de 1000€ en mi coche. A día de hoy con una diferencia de unos 10c por litro (antes era de unos 5c) y aprox calculando una diferencia de consumo de 1l/100 entre mismo motor diesel-gasolina; ahorro 500€ al año, es decir que en dos años esta amortizado.

Evidentemente compensa o no dependiendo de los km que hagas y cuanto pretendas que te dure el coche. Sin lugar a dudas preferiría comprar gasolina pero cuando gastas mucho en petróleo hay que pensar en la economía, aunque estoy completamente de acuerdo en que el diésel no es ninguna panacea y si haces 10000km/año compra un gasolina y disfrútalo.

De todas hay otros factores, el valor de reventa que sí no me equivoco decían que es superior en diésel, la diferencia de precio del combustible ha aumentado, ahora hay motores gasolina más económicos con turbo, aunque la diferencia de precio ha disminuido entre motores, y el mantenimiento aunque ya no es como antes, también el peso extra del motor… En fin cada uno que eche sus cuentas, básicamente quien hace mucho km gastara diésel quien no no le hará falta.

tienes razon actualmente la diferencia de precio de un diesel a un gasolina anda por 1000/1500 euros en la mayoria de los casos

saludos

[X_360]

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@Mystique:

Con decir la marca del coche ya me lo has dicho todo… italianos lejos.
Son muy bonitos, pero todo lo que se salga de 2 cables es mucho para ellos.

Hace poco que he vendido un stilo que teniamos y es una castaña, bobinas cada 2x3, testigos que fallan, etc.
En el caso del testido del airbag del acompañante el problema esta claro, el conector que une el cable del sensor del asiento con el "resto del coche" falla mucho. Lo mejor es que lo cambies por un molex, por ejemplo. Tambien, en el mismo coche, las luces traseras fallaban hasta el punto que el conector quedaba flojo, saltaban chispas y se funcio en conector. Solucion, cambio de conectores, cable soldado y eso va mejor que el original.

Tú mismo lo has dicho son bonitos, pero… y mira que ya tube un Fiat Bravo de 2ª mano hace 8 años, pero mira quise darle una 2ª oportunidad a la marca... y mira que me arrepiento :eoh:, a sido una ruina, si una cosa es la otra, al cabo de X mes le sale algo mas... madre mía.

El airbag no es el del acompañante, es el mío ;D, que tiene una pieza no se que y petó, la llaman anillo airbag.

@Sylver:

No decía que lo hubieses roto tú, sólo que como habías podido comprobar, no necesitas que un testigo te avise de que la dirección asistida está mal, ya lo compruebas tú con tus propias manos :ugly:

Ya te digo, la alegría de los vehículos electrónicos, y en todos los casos que te digo no ha habido ningún dueño lo bastante despreocupado para no llevarlo al taller… pero tras una reparación o un simple "no hay nada raro", han seguido teniendo los testigos encendidos y los coches funcionando los años siguientes sin problemas... una diversión vaya

Saludos

Sorry, lo entendí así. Si igualmente se me encendió el testigo del volante, pero vamos no hacía falta :ugly:. Pero vamos en este coche, si no se te enciende ningún testigo ya es extraño <:(, un día de esos que se le valla la pinza, subo una foto con todos los testigos encendidos :troll:

@ferelxyx:

a mi el que me gusta es el: FORD FOCUS ECOBOOST EDICIÓN ESPECIAL con PLAN PIVE por 13.900 €
tiene un motor de 1000 cc y 125 CV

pero de momento no puedo comprarlo, que si no de cabeza, posiblemente acabe comprandome el Dacia sandero
es un coche decente y barato y para desplazarse vale de sobras

saludos

El motor ese tricilíndrico lo compraría cuando llevaran 2-3 años en el mercado, aún esta "verde" ese motor y no se sabe los posibles fallos que pueda tener. En FC ya a salido un chico con ese coche y que le vibraba todo y no le encontraban el problema. Si encuentro el post, te lo adjunto y le echas un vistazo

El nuevo Dacia Sandero esta muy cuco

@deeiivid:

Lo unico que veo es que el par del focus 1.0 es un poco pobre. Pero está bastante bien la verdad.

Este tipo de coches, es mas bien para gente que quiera ahorro y demás. Aunque leyendo he visto que se lo van a poner al Mondeo ¿¿:ugly:??

• Potencia máxima 100 cv (74 Kw) / 6.000 r.p.m.
• Par motor máximo 170 Nm / 1.400 - 4.000 r.p.m.

Aunque 170nm esta bastante bien para un tricilíndrico y con turbito. Aparte que tienes el par disponible desde muy bajas vueltas, un punto a su favor.

@ferelxyx:

tienes razon actualmente la diferencia de precio de un diesel a un gasolina anda por 1000/1500 euros en la mayoria de los casos

saludos

Ahora que lo comentas, por vuestra ciudad a que precio teneis la gasolina?? Creo que aquí en Ibiza esta mas cara… lo que he visto hoy a sido:

Cepsa y BP creo que mas o menos igual

Diesel + - -> 1.44
SP95 - -> 1.55
SP98 - -> 1.66

[ferelxyx]

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–--precios de repsol y galp --- cepsa
Diesel - --------> 1,396 € - ----1,393 €
SP95 --------- -> 1,502 € - ----1,484 €
SP98 - ---------> 1,618 € ----- 1,598 €

saludos

[Fassou]

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Podeis ver las EESS con mejores precios en esta web del Ministerio de Industria, Energía y Turismo

Salu2!