Problem with the shadow rendering distance on the Gygabite GTX650 Ti OC 2GB

[Manolico96]

Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum and I came to see if you could help me with a very specific question.
The thing is that lately I have in all my games without exception a render distance in the shadows that is quite poor even playing in ultra (I also tried with other configurations). Here you have the example of battlefield 3:

Well, previously I already consulted my problem in another forum and a person told me that it was because of the mesh quality in the configuration of my video card so here is my question:
Where can I find this option and change it? I have searched in the Nvidia control panel and in the options of the game itself and it does not appear. Thanks in advance to those who respond, I leave you the specs of my pc:
Processor: Intel i7 3,4 GHz (I do not remember the title)
Graphics: in the title of the post
Ram: 1x4gb and 1x2gb (6gb in total)
motherboard of the standard.

[whoololon]

The "mesh quality" of BF3 is changed in the "Video" menu, 4th option.
Welcome to the forum.

[Manolico96]

Thanks but even putting that option on ultra the problem persists and leaving aside BF3, what about the rest of the games?
Edit: I don't think it's relevant but when I had this graphics card I wanted to get the most out of it and I overclocked the core to 150 MHz. After this, my drivers crashed and my games crashed so I restarted the computer and everything started to go well but of course, I didn't check if before that I already had this problem. In any case, I have run several programs to detect artifacts in case there is damage from overclocking and all of them tell me that the graphics card runs perfectly. However, in some games I have strange lines in the shadows as if they were artifacts and when I move away from an area (like jumping out of a parachute from the maximum height in bf3 for example) all the textures of the ground flicker and bug out as if they were artifacts but of course as soon as I get close to a certain distance these bugs disappear.

Well sorry for posting such heavy messages but anyway… I have noticed that the render distance does increase when you put mesh qualty on ultra but it increases very little and a friend of mine has it on medium and has much more distance than I do on ultra...
I hope you can help me

[Franziskaner]

Hello.
Did this happen to you before?
I'm also not very sure that a 650 ti will run BF3 with everything on ultra.
Best regards

[whoololon]

To know what to grab onto, it would be convenient for you to detail the hardware that makes up your equipment.
Power supply and its power, the motherboard and the micro model if you know it. (In My PC -> Properties it should appear.)
It would also be convenient to know if you use a specific preconfiguration for games in the nVidia control panel or not, and if applicable, what changes you have made to the general default configuration.
We will look at the possible artifacts later.

[fjavi]

@Manolico96:

Muy buenas. Soy nuevo en este foro y venia a ver si me podías ayudar con una duda bastante especifica.
Resulta que últimamente tengo en todos mis juegos sin excepción una distancia de render en las sombras bastante pobre incluso jugando en ultra (también probé con otras configuraciones). Aquí teneis el ejemplo de battlefield 3:

Bueno, anteriormente ya consulté mi problema en otro foro y una persona me comentó que era por la mesh quality en la configuración de mi placa de video así que aquí va mi duda:
¿Dónde puedo encontrar esta opción y cambiarla? He buscado en el panel de control de Nvidia y en las opciones del propio juego y no aparece. Gracias de antemano a los que respondáis, os dejo las specs de mi pc:
Procesador: Intel i7 3,4 GHz (no recuerdo el titulo)
Gráfica: en el titulo del post
Ram: 1x4gb y 1x2gb (6gb en total)
placa base de las estándar.

Aquí puedes ver un video para las opciones en ingles, de todas formas creo que esa opción es exigente y lo mismo no puedes subir mucho con esa tarjeta, aunque por probar tampoco pasa nada.

La opción debe ser la que esta debajo de la calidad de efectos, es el juego según parece en los videos.

Eso lo cambias en el panel del juego en el driver no, es la configuración del juego.

@Manolico96:

Gracias pero aun poniendo esa opción en ultra el problema persiste y dejando de lado BF3, ¿Qué pasa con el resto de juegos?
Edito: No creo que sea relevante pero cuando tuve esta grafica quise sacarle el máximo partido y le hice overclock al nucleo de 150 MHz. Tras esto se me calleron los controladores y los juegos se me petaban asi que reinicie el ordenador y todo empezó a ir bien pero claro, no me fije si antes de aquello yo ya tenía este problema. En cualquier caso he pasado varios programas para detectar artifacts por si hay daños por overclock y todos me dicen que la grafica corre perfecto. No obstante en algunos juegos tengo líneas raritas en las sombras como si se tratase de artifacts y cuando me alejo mucho de una zona (al saltar en paracaídas desde la máxima altura en bf3 por ejemeplo) todas las texturas del suelo parpadean y se bugean como si fueran artifacts pero claro en cuanto me acerco a cierta distancia estos bugs desaparecen.

Bueno perdón por poner mensajes tan pesados pero en fin… He notado que si que aumenta la distancia de render al poner en ultra la mesh qualty pero aumenta bastante poco y un amigo mio lo tiene al medio y tiene mucha mas distancia que yo en ultra...
Espero que podáis ayudarme

Por el OC no te va a pasar eso, osea fallara y tendras que reiniciar el equipo, pero las opciones siguen igual, yo lo que haría es desinstalar el driver y limpiar los restos y hacer una instalación personalizada sin instalar el geforce experiencia, quizá tampoco lo de 3dvision si no lo piensas usar, tildar la casilla instalación correcta que pone todo por defecto.

El geforce experiencia ese baja algunas opciones y al final no sirve de mucho, pues configurando de forma manual se podrá conseguir una calidad y rendimiento buena sin necesidad de mas programas

saludos

[cobito]

It's an obvious thing but just in case: do you have the latest drivers installed from the nVidia website?

[Manolico96]

Well, thank you very much to everyone for responding.
Answering your questions:
1)Yes, I have the latest nvidia drivers and I have also tried the latest beta.
2)No, I don't run bf3 on ultra at 60 fps but yes at 40 and that's fine with me
3)I haven't touched anything on the Nvidia control panel except v-sync and triple buffer which I always have activated.
4)The configuration of my default clocks (which is the one I use) is 1032MHZ core and 2700MHZ GDDR5 memory. When I play bf3 I underclock the core by 100 MHz because if I don't do it after about 30 minutes of playing it gives me a directx error and the game crashes (this only happens to me with bf3 so I don't think it's very important but just in case I report it)
5)As for my hardware I have a 620W power supply (bought specifically to be able to use my graphics card) NOX NX RED FAN (Info-Coste - POWER SUPPLIES - FA 620W · Info-Coste - Computer Stores)
My processor is: Intel core i7 3770 (4 physical cores and four virtual) each at 3,4ghz
My motherboard is: H61H2LM3V1.2 (that's what's written in big letters on the board itself. Windows doesn't give me any information
If you need more information just tell me and again thank you very much for taking the trouble to help

[whoololon]

I've seen your other videos, especially the one about Bioshock, where the character's "myopia" is even worse, and in both the fault lies with the LOD processing that these applications do.
But the worst part is that it happens both in nVidia and in ATI, regardless of the model and manufacturer, and apparently there is no "official" solution, but rather suggestions to solve the problem through mods or console commands.

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However, you mention that this happens to you "recently", so I don't know if you mean that before, even playing the same games, it didn't happen to you; or that you just didn't notice.
It would be convenient to clarify this point, because if it has resulted from a driver installation, perhaps an older version could solve the problem (I always recommend having the one that comes with the components on hand).
It would be enough to uninstall the current ones, clean the remains well with a software for this purpose (the DriverSweeper for example, and reinstall the ones from the disk.

I'm sorry I can't give you a direct solution, I can only recommend that you try tinkering with the settings both in the nvidia control panel and in the games (vision distance always at the top).
Apart from that, you can also play a bit with the settings of the RivaTuner.

[Manolico96]

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I have never uploaded any videos, in fact what I have sent you before are videos from other people not mine but what I come to say is that I do not know if it happened to me before since I did not notice, I realized 15 days after having this graphic and I have already tried with the factory drivers and with the versions of the last 2 months. In any case, if this problem has no solution as such, could we at least ensure the possible artifacts? if you need any specific capture I can put it here

[whoololon]

Well, it would help a lot, both with the artifacts and the LOD threshold in the games you mention, to know up to what point it affects you.

Edit: The videos, I just assumed they were yours to illustrate the problem.

[Manolico96]

Well, here are some screenshots of tomb raider and battlefield 3:
Tomb Raider (these are of LOD):
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4171/373q.png
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/2368/gx2b.png
Battlefield 3 (these are of LOD and also of the flickering of textures and scratches in the shadows:
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I hope they look good since I had to lower the resolution so that they would let me upload them

[whoololon]

Well, the LOD is visible, but as for artifacts, I haven't noticed any. What I didn't like (because it's not normal) is that if you don't lower the frequency after a while it throws an error. As for the issue of artifacts, if they appear (in the previous message there is a link with examples) they can be caused by several reasons, ranging from lack of power, high temperature, GPU / VRAM clock frequency poorly adjusted or defect in the card. If in the branch of the power supply that goes to the graphics card you only have this one connected (which is highly advisable), unless the power supply is broken you shouldn't have problems with lack of power. Likewise, if the working temperature of your graphics card is not very high and the frequencies are basically factory (except for the issue you mentioned), then we could be talking about a faulty card. I won't insist more on the issue of software and drivers, because you have already explained to me that you checked it. And this is as far as I can go. :ugly: Edit: Errors in the shading, such as flickering or striped shadows are caused (in this magnitude) by a "clipping" effect when a texture interferes with another (in this case the projection of light or shadow. However, this is not an artifact issue.

[Manolico96]

Well, thank you very much for addressing my doubts, indeed I think that the power supply branch is only dedicated to it and the temperature does not rise above 50º so I hope that the graphics card is not broken since apart from the shadows the rest of the graphic experience is very good.
As for the underclock, it is not something that worries me especially since I have read that many users have had this problem in Windows 8 (the OS I have) and it is not something that happens with the rest of the games.

Anyway, I will look around to see if I can fix the LOD, just one last question (assuming that physically the graphics card is fine, would it be worth resetting the bios?)

[whoololon]

If we start from the assumption that it is currently well configured, it would serve to make sure that it really is.
Have the manual for your motherboard (EliteGroup H61H2LM3 Rev1.2) on hand, particularly the section on the BIOS.

[fjavi]

@Manolico96:

Well, thank you very much for answering my questions. Indeed, I think the power supply branch is only dedicated to it and the temperature does not rise above 50º, so I hope the graphics card is not broken, since apart from the shadows, the rest of the graphical experience is very good.
As for underclocking, it's not something that worries me especially since I've read that many users have had this problem on Windows 8 (the OS I have) and it's not something that happens with the rest of the games.

Anyway, I'll look around to see if I can fix the LOD issue. Just one last question (assuming that physically the graphics card is fine, would it help to reset the bios?)

The motherboard's bios has nothing to do with what the graphics card does. The bios recognizes the graphics card and allows it to function, but your problem is either that the game is misconfigured or that the driver or the geforce experience changed something, that's why it's not working. I would change the driver now that a beta one has come out and before installing, I would clean up the leftovers or even when installing the driver, I wouldn't install the geforce experience, I would check the correct installation box, I would put this driver to see.

NVIDIA DRIVERS 326.80BETA

that's for window 7 and 64 bits. For another system, you'll have to put another one if your system is 32 bits.

[Franziskaner]

well as my colleagues say, remove the Nvidia Experience
for example, a button
Nvidia Geforce Experience - HardLimit
regards

[Manolico96]

I have already updated the drivers to the new beta version (thanks for letting me know).
However, the problem persists and what's more, it persists in ALL games without exception.
I had already removed GeForce Experience before creating this topic, but as I say, the problem persists.
I am still looking for a solution, although I have a question (I don't know why I'm asking if it's impossible for what I'm going to ask because of the YouTube videos...) Could it be that all this about the distance of the shadows was caused by some kind of damage when I did the overclocking as I explained before? I'm asking because I've seen that when increasing the mesh quality, the distance increases but it stays at what would be the graphics at the minimum of a PC without this problem. Anyway, if you can help, thank you.

[fjavi]

@Manolico96:

I have already updated the drivers to the new beta version (thanks for letting me know).
However, the problem persists and what's more, it persists in ALL games without exception.
I had already removed GeForce Experience before creating this topic, but as I say, the problem persists.
I am still looking for a solution, although I have a question (I don't know why I'm asking if it's impossible to ask based on the YouTube videos, but...) Could it be that all this shadow distance thing was caused by some kind of damage when I did the overclocking as I explained before? I'm asking because I've seen that when you increase the mesh quality, the distance increases but it stays at what would be the graphics at the minimum of a PC without this problem. Anyway, if you can help, thanks.

I don't think the OC would cause that, the normal thing is artifact, freeze and when you restart it goes back to its stock state, maybe it's damaged, if you use the warranty don't say anything about the OC, just say that the card doesn't represent scenes well.

You can even take advantage of this to change it for another one by putting a little money, something more powerful, the 660 was recently at 165€ if they deduct what you have for your card, you might be interested, it should perform much better in BF3, although depending on where you buy it.

regards