[Plan Renove] I moved to Skylake

[Espinetenbolas]

• i5 6600k -> Correct, you have to stick to the budget
• Msi z170A Krait Gaming -> I don't like it and like whoololon I run away from the Gaming label
• Memos**-> The ones you can afford and have the highest speed and lowest latency… of those three the Kingston.**
• Cryorig H5 Ultimate -> Don't even think about it.

As for the old PCI… a year ago I sold the X-Fi when I bought the 4790K because the Asrock didn't come with PCI-E... nor did she or any high-end 1150 motherboard... it has been the best thing that has happened to me because between the drivers, the problems with Flash and the card stopping being detected depending on how you hit it... I am more than delighted with the integrated one that has nothing to envy (at least the isolation of the Asrock [PURITY SOUND] is perfect and there is no CPU noise or anything) since much of what the X-Fi supports is obsolete acceleration technology in games (I also say that I don't play anything :troll:)… it is better to get a dedicated one by PCI-E or leave the integrated one than to keep the X-Fi.

As for the motherboard, in that price range for me the Asrock Z170 Extreme4 is the best option for having 10 phases (VS. 6 of the MSI) and also having a big passive heatsink on the chipset… then there is the issue of the ATX mounting that I don't see in the MSI of putting only 6 screws and leaving so much piece of board in the air even if it is smaller... not to mention the SATA in vertical instead of at 90º... believe me, avoid that MSI

MSI VS. Asrock

[whoololon]

…not for you or for me.

The GA-Z170-HD3P maintains two PCI slots.

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[Mind_Hunter]

Whoololon, the problem I see with the Gigabyte you mentioned is that it "only" has 6 power phases, and with the Gigabyte socket 775 I've had, there have been a couple of things I didn't like at all, so for now I'm ruling out Gigabyte.
Espinete, I've been looking at several reviews of the Extreme 4, and apparently people complain about uneven performance in CPU and memory, with inexplicable dips…
Now I've found the Asus z170a and the Asus z170 Gaming Pro, the latter cheaper (€139) and with several positive reviews... I'm more undecided...

[Fassou]

The Gigabyte usually have great models on paper, but I've had more than one disappointment with them, so I don't usually recommend them as I used to, but the one that says whoololon seems like a good option to save a few euros.

We all agree on the micro, the memories, what Espinetenbolas says. Know that the difference between the Trident and the Ripjaws is that the former have selected chips (better OC?), but since they are for work, better a Kingston and more so with better latencies (CL14).

Heatsink, the H5 Ultimate that has the three B's. But remember that it may be very tight for space underneath, so when choosing the memories, better the ones that don't have too much heatsink upwards, that the DDR4 heat up less and don't need it, and better that they don't make contact.

Salu2! and enjoy the great rig!

[Mind_Hunter]

Hi Fassou! I'm sorry to be so annoying... Which would perform better? A hyperX at 2400 but CL12 or a 2800 at CL14? They cost the same (in fact, they are probably the same chips but with different configuration).

[Fassou]

In this article from legitreviews.com they are looking for the "sweet spot" of ideal memory speed for the Skylake platform, but as you'll see in the graphs, the results are pretty flat.

The final recommendation is that you don't go below 2600, but you also shouldn't spend too much, because it's not really noticeable (except for available bandwidth).

If the difference is very small, you can spend a little more thinking about making future OC easier, but there are probably other areas that are more interesting to you, where you can spend that saved money.

Salu2!

PD: get the 2800 CL14, and you can probably set them to 2400 CL12

[Mind_Hunter]

And now, when I already had everything booked... I have the following doubt...

For the same price I can get an i7 4790k, and of course, in theory it pulls much more than the 6600k... All because of the price difference between DDR3 and DDR4. What do you think? Is that i7 worth it to me?

Thanks in advance!

[whoololon]

This is what **espinete** was pointing out, and rightly so: currently, a team based on 1151 is quite more expensive with relatively mediocre performance.
If we play that game of "well, something better will come out in a few months" in the end we never buy the machine. Of course, in the end the 1151 will prevail and its performance will be spectacular, but right now it's not like that.
Keep in mind that a good motherboard with an i7 4790k, topped with quality RAM and good cooling and matching graphics, becomes a team capable of keeping up for at least 5 years (very minimum). There you enter to decide if you can amortize it in that time and, when the time comes, make the leap to a more updated (and optimized) platform.

[Espinetenbolas]

At the moment, platform 1151 has more future potential, but the performance is not substantially better than micros that have been on the market for over a year and have polished Bios and Drivers... not to mention the price.

In any case, not having the latest is always cheaper (we all know that ) but you have to consider whether you prefer to pay the extra price to be able to expand to 64Gb in the future or if 32Gb is already enough for you or if you think that when Skylake Refresh comes out, you will go for one of those because you will have 200 or 300Mhz more with OC... well, those are the only "future advantages".

On the other hand, it should be explained that although Skylake has a better overall IPC than Haswell by 4-8%, this collapses the moment both are OCed or faster mems are put into Haswell, since the limit is the limit and Intel Core technology is only capable of so much (it should be noted that many reviews have tested the 4690K and 4790K with 1600Mhz mems for there to be a substantial difference in performance :wall: ).

It should also be explained that DDR4 does not have its maximum potential at the moment and for a DualChanel system, it only increases the cost of the platform and gives worse latency data... which penalizes the performance that Skylake could have... in other words, the current DDR4 is not much better than DDR3, which has already reached its maturity and limit (the same thing happened when moving from DDR2 to DDR3).

[Mind_Hunter]

Thanks again for your responses.
In the end I opted for the "future-proof" option and the possibility of putting 64gb of RAM, which Photoscan gobbles up memory like crazy (I've seen configurations with 768gb of RAM to handle thousands of photos with said program).
With the i7 the CPU price went up by more than 60€, and it didn't compensate for the 37€ I saved with the DDR3 RAM. Besides, looking at Photoscan benchmarks, the CPU is not as important as the RAM and the graphics, so I save that money to build a future SLI of gtx 660, now that they are cheap.
As Espinete said, if I see that with the Skylake Refresh it's worth changing the CPU, I will, and if not.. long live the 6600k, as the change with the q6600 will be more than considerable.
I just have to thank you and apologize for the dizziness! I'll let you know how the new machine runs!

See you soon!!!