Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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A little "Off-topic".
Taking a look around N3D, in a thread opened by Piratilla longing for old disappeared companions, I came across this post… The friend is trying to find a reason for the exodus:
"_LuisWu:
The problem has been that some have not digested very well that AMD is above Nvidia in performance in this generation, if we talk about price/performance don't even get me started.
Of course now in the forum where you are there will be no problem, everyone always agrees on everything to not upset anyone. They allow themselves the luxury of calling this forum AMDn3d, I die laughing.
By the way what the companion said and that made Praimus so angry, was that the 7970 is in everything above the 670, reason enough to send someone to the stake, of course, of course."
It's for things like this that I emigrated. I don't understand how he reads us, an act totally hypocritical if you're not interested in what's going on here. And I don't understand how he has "the lack of decency" to criticize in this way a lot of forum members (most of them veterans) for not agreeing with his opinion.
As for the thread itself, many thanks for your contribution ELP3 and also to Zupernico. Personally everyone has their opinion about these new graphics, whether they are worth it or not, but what is clear is that what this little world needs is more constructive people and fewer "know-it-alls" and moral judgments.
Regards.
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A small "Off-topic".
Taking a walk through N3D, in a thread opened by Piratilla longing for old disappeared companions I came across this post… The friend tries to find a reason for the exodus:
"_LuisWu:
The problem has been that some have not digested very well that AMD is above Nvidia in performance in this generation, if we talk about price/performance don't even get me started.
Of course now in the forum where you are there will be no problem, everyone always agrees on everything to not upset anyone. They can afford to call this forum AMDn3d, I die laughing.
By the way what the fellow said and that made Praimus so angry, was that the 7970 is in everything above the 670, enough reason to send someone to the stake, of course, of course."
Simply, because of characters like this I have emigrated. As it seems that you read us (a totally hypocritical act if you are not interested in what happens here)… in the shadows boy :D.
As for the thread itself, many thanks for your contribution ELP3 and also to Zupernico. Personally everyone has their opinion about these new graphics, whether they are worth it or not, but what is clear is that what this little world needs is more constructive people and less "know-it-alls" and moral judgments.
Regards.
Same reason why I left, especially because I bought an HD7950 and explained to them what was happening to me, and even cited a website (Techreport) where they were experiencing the same thing as me, but well, it all came down to me being crazy or that my GPU was bad, because the 1000 tests that are on the web showing the serious frametime problem that GCN GPUs have are all false and of little importance according to many forum members there, so here we are all pro-Nvidia, especially me, who of the 4 PCs I have at home none have a Nvidia GPU :fumeta:
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Same reason why I left, especially because I bought an HD7950 and explained to them what was happening to me, and even cited a website (Techreport) where they were experiencing the same problem as me, but anyway, it all ended up with me being crazy or my GPU being faulty, because the 1000 tests on the web that demonstrate the serious frametime problem that GCN GPUs have are all fake and unimportant according to many forum users there, so here we are all pro-Nvidia, especially me, who out of the 4 PCs I have at home, none has an Nvidia GPU :fumeta:.
It's unbelievable, don't you know that the frametimes that are so used in TR are a scam promoted by Nvidia to make it seem like they're not as bad as they really are? Everyone knows that a 7870 is faster than a GTX 680. Something that, by the way, in that great forum mentioned, one of its users said and defended without a touch of moderation for "flaming". Because, come on, saying that is flaming, that's been the case forever. Those are the things that make people leave, not tolerating baseless nonsense that, moreover, if you dare to argue about, they'll still say everything to you.
What can't be is that the review industry as a whole is changing to other types of measures beyond just fps, and that some people decide to ignore these results, or the users who say they see the microstuttering problem (wargreymon). There's a huge change in the industry right now in the metrics used, after checking the importance of frame times, various methods on different sites, even AMD has released those famous beta 13.2 drivers just to mitigate some of the latency problems (very localized, literally 3 games) to the extent possible. If it were possible, they wouldn't have even come to light, certainly not from beta 2 as has happened.
But well, it doesn't matter, even with conventional measures you can see that the performance has never been so tight using such conventional metrics as average fps. If AMD had to release the 7970 GHz (because it wasn't in their plans) just to beat the GTX 680 by a hair, the issue couldn't be tighter. I'm talking about a product whose only change is a BIOS with OC and overvoltage, nothing more (same PCB, same chip, same quality of this one on average vs 7970 ordinary, etc).
Of course, then it's strange that there are people who have left or have been kicked out, because they respond "badly" to provocations that fall like continuous drops on the head (the thing with Praimus I think it was clear that it wasn't pretending to offend, or at least, to offend someone you don't say they're going to burn something they said, much less ban them for that) every other day.
But it's very easy to check the issue of lack of clear neutrality, you can go to that forum and check the Titan thread, and see how many times people who buy Titan are disrespected with a thousand epithets (you have to be big to put your results even seeing the tone used, now it's more relaxed, but a week ago they were saying everything). How many times are crossovers or AMD alternatives recommended in the thread dedicated to Titan. Now, do the same and look in threads about AMD graphics (models) how many times someone dares to recommend an Nvidia (because it's not for nothing, it still has its advantages, and performance/price, if you know how to look for it, you can also find it), and the type of responses they receive from other users.
That's a totally asymmetrical treatment.
If this hasn't made the issue clear to those people, they're more fanatical than I thought. Because calling someone "forty-something who lives at his parents' house" and other niceties to someone who shows off their newly bought Titan in a photo (a complete stranger, used as an example by a user of that forum), is anything but acceptable. Mostly because it has no basis, it's just a photo of the graphics (people like to invent stories). And there are several like this one.
No wonder ELP3 doesn't do this review there, that tone is unnecessary, I don't even know how the few who have dared with Titan in that forum allow it, because respect... isn't being kept much, precisely. Well, that and the totally asymmetrical treatment there, which is more than obvious, besides.
Anyway, some have left to be more peaceful, to their own thing, and others seem to be bothered that some people don't want to share the "armpit smell" common when the environment isn't to their liking. I don't know what they're complaining about. Although maybe they're "bothered" by not having, against all odds, enduring the downpour, the review of ELP3's "homemade" Titan. But if they already have other volunteers, I don't know what they're complaining about, to be honest.
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I sincerely believe that, out of respect, which some/many do not have, we should put an end to the N3D issue already.
I don't care what they say/do.. it's not just a problem for users, but a direct problem for the owners of the website, who have preferred cold numbers of visits over the quality of the same and contributions. I feel sorry for it, but it is what it is and it is accepted.
Here we are very well, let's respect each other, which is the basis of any mutual contribution and let's set an example. Starting by stopping to mention that website and if we don't like it, let's not read it. Let's lead by example and see if here, finally, we can have a site where we can truly, and always as I say with the basis of respect, learn from each other.
Greetings to all.
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I think we need to be smart, most of us know each other and we know what's going on, we're not interested in arguments with other sites, because that's what they're looking for, and we shouldn't say things about them either because in the end it will be like a tennis court.
I think we should try to prevent this from happening here, so that people can express their opinions about what they know, whether it's good or bad, and that way we'll all win, the forum and the threads will win.
People will be able to get informed about what interests them, but we don't have to play into the hands of certain people because that's what they're looking for, if we ignore them they'll get bored, and we'll win a site where we can put first-hand information for those who might be interested.
Regards
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A piece of advice if you allow me. Do not get upset about what has happened to you, it is not worth it. Past water does not move the mill, they lose out, and we gain good users who contribute their knowledge.
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Besides, I think we all know what that forum is about, this is another story, it's better not to waste time talking about it.
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A piece of advice if you allow me. Do not get upset about what has happened to you, it's not worth it. Past water does not move the mill, they lose out, and we gain good users who contribute their knowledge.
I think exactly the same
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A piece of advice if you allow me. Don't get upset about what has happened to you, it's not worth it. Past water doesn't move the mill, they lose out, and we gain good users who contribute their knowledge.
Of course it's the best, it was just to let off some steam a bit, it's been quite a few months like this…;D
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The topic is better left and continue with the theme of the thread.
ELP3 great work and Zupernico too. Both of you are two of the people who like this devotion.
By the way ELp I sent you a private message, please respond.
A hug to all.
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I sincerely believe that, out of respect, which some/many lack, we should put an end to the N3D topic already.
I don't care what they say/do.. it's not just a problem for users, but directly for the owners of the website, who have preferred cold numbers of visits over the quality of the same and contributions. I feel sorry for this, but it is what it is and it is accepted.
We are doing very well here, let's respect each other, which is the basis of any mutual contribution and let's set an example. Starting by stopping mentioning that website and if we don't like it, let's not read it. Let's lead by example and see if here, finally, we can have a site where we can truly, and always as I say with the basis of respect, learn from each other.
Greetings to all.
Ok, I know you're right. But the thing is that when talking about those who have left, they don't hold back as much (some specific ones, in reality the GREAT majority of N3D users are not this hypocritical, to be clear) some of those who remain are quick to label those who left (or were kicked out) as X and Y.
It's no longer a matter of the website itself or disagreeing with its staff, who have nothing to do with these mentions, but of a couple of users who like to polemicize "explaining why others leave" painting an unrealistic picture.
But well, let's stick to our own business and that's it.
ELP3, have you tried what I told you to see if it improves your OC, the disabling of boost making the graphics card switch to "DP" mode (control panel and choose the 1/3 ratio of double precision floating point)?
It would be interesting to do some testing there, since you say that your graphics card frequencies still dance with OC. Theoretically this would overload the Boost upwards, leaving only what is strictly thermal protection or TDP, and as it seems that this graphics card is very comfortable with this (if necessary, you can raise both parameters to the top, the limits), it is likely that the frequency can be raised "fixed", since the boost would stop working except as simple protection. In exchange, the TDP may increase a little, but honestly I don't think this will be noticeable, having "enabled" the DP SIMDs but not using them should not raise consumption much, especially if the chip keeps the execution units idle in IDLE.
You could try this, maybe you'll find a way to choose the exact frequency without this dancing of it.
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Ok, I know you're right. But the thing is that when talking about those who have left, they don't hold back as much (some specific ones, in reality the GREAT majority of N3D users are not this hypocritical, just so it's noted) some of the ones who remain are quick to label X and Y to those who have left (or were kicked out).
It's no longer a matter of the website itself or disagreeing with its staff, who have nothing to do with these mentions, but rather a couple of users who like to stir up controversy by "explaining why others leave" painting an unrealistic picture.
But well, that's all for now.
ELP3, Have you tried what I told you to see if it improves your OC, the disabling of boost making the graphics card switch to "DP" mode (control panel and choosing the 1/3 ratio of double precision floating point)?
It would be interesting to do some testing there, since you say that your graphics card frequencies still dance with OC. Theoretically this would push Boost "upwards", leaving only what is strictly thermal protection or TDP, and as it seems that this graphics card is very comfortable with this (if needed you can raise both parameters to the top, the limits), it's likely that you can raise the frequency "fixed", since boost would no longer function except as simple protection. In return it may raise the TDP a bit, but honestly I don't think this will be noticeable, having "enabled" DP SIMD but not using them shouldn't raise consumption much, especially if the chip keeps the execution units idle in IDLE.
You could try this, maybe you'll find a way to choose the exact frequency without this dancing.
I'm totally lost with the "DP" mode..in fact, I didn't know you had put it somewhere..
Can you explain it better?
Best regards.
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I'm completely lost with the "DP" mode thing.. in fact, I didn't even know you had put it somewhere..
Can you explain it better?
Regards.
Buff, I even had trouble finding it in previous posts, I'll have to put a colorful and cantoso Avatar to see my comments at a glance. This is the comment:
http://foro.hardlimit.com/showpost.php?p=538971&postcount=33
And I quote the point where I talked about this:
P.D.: A possible way to "bypass" the operation of Boost 2.0 would be the activation in the control panel of the calculation in floating point of double precision (ratio 1/3 instead of the standard 1/24), this option seems to disable the boost technology and return the graphics to a "conservative" mode of operation.
But indirectly it can be good for playing with fully manual OCs, by removing boost from the equation if you find it too intrusive (it's not eliminated entirely, the "protection" of TDP and temps values is always activated but the graphics card doesn't increase on its own, so surely the frequency shift you have to apply in that mode is much greater for the same thing).
So in this topic it's also convenient to have Temp and TDP at full capacity, just to prevent boost from working even at a low level, yes, the frequency dance should be less this way. And maybe you can play with the voltage a bit in that mode, but leave that for later because possibly the gain is small, and it's better to understand the "no voltage" behavior of the graphics card first.
Regards.
There's an option in the nvidia control panel to change the graphics mode from 3D to gpgpu, to put it in some way (this is not correct, but it's similar). By activating this mode that enables all the chip's capabilities in double precision floating point calculation, it disables boost (the "official" one remains but it doesn't go up, it's more stable in frequencies), that is, it largely eliminates the frequency optimizations that the boost technique tries to achieve.
So it's possible that it's easier to set the frequency with OC activated by enabling this option, since the boost's dance shouldn't appear. Anyway, this is a suggestion for a possible alternative way to achieve higher or more stable OCs in frequencies, as it seems to me that no one has tried in this direction.
But if boost is so intrusive to me it seems like an obvious alternative to try to largely disable it, and thus tinker better with the graphics card, whatever the results may be (they may even be worse because this mode supposedly increases consumption).
It would be interesting to see if there's a "secret path" for stable or high OC in the Titans... :ugly:
P.D.: I've "spammed" :troll: a screenshot of the control panel to the people at hardwarecanucks so you can see which one it is:
It's clear that it's active and it disables boost, at least in terms of ups and the most "big" dances.
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I have tested it. And indeed the boost is disabled. And by doing a moderate OC, for example 1100MHZ, the clocks are maintained. But again, once a point is reached, starting from 1133MHZ, it starts to dance again and only the voltage decreases from 1.2 to 1.15.
Say what they may, it is clear that once a spending limit is passed, they enter protection. Perhaps it is not related to the boost but an OCP similar to that of the GTX 580. But there is something about that, for sure...
Greetings and thanks... ;)
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So you don't gain anything by disabling the boost??, is it better to leave it on?? -
So you don't gain by disabling the boost??, is it better to leave it on?
Yes.
Anyway, if you want to know exactly the voltage and how the frequencies are set, run for example a unigine in medium window mode monitoring in real time with GPU-Z…
Best regards.
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Well... first of all, I want to thank (once again and I can't count how many times it is:troll:) the hard work you put into the reviews with that hardware that many of us can only dream of having.
Second... I want to say hello to all the familiar faces that I haven't seen in the other forum for a while for various reasons... and to the rest of the forum members as well, of course.
As for the graphics cards themselves... they seem like a bunch of monogpus to me... but they came out so poorly configured and/or with drivers that were not prepared for them that they were diminished as soon as they came out... and with big problems, in my opinion, with the control of the so-called boost.
I don't understand how a card that costs 1000€, dedicated to a clearly demanding audience looking for the maximum, has something so unnecessary... it's like putting an RPM limiter on a Ferrari because of gas consumption... anyway, let's hope they improve the situation. -
Well... first of all, I want to thank (once again and I can't even count how many times :troll:) the hard work you put into the reviews you do with that hardware that many of us can only dream of having.
Second... I want to greet all the familiar faces that I haven't seen in the other forum for a while for various reasons... and the rest of the forum members as well, of course.
As for the graphics cards themselves... they seem like pretty basic monogpus to me... but they came out so poorly configured and/or with drivers that were so unprepared for them that they were diminished as soon as they came out... and with big problems, in my opinion, with the control of the so-called boost.
I don't understand how a card that costs 1000€, dedicated to a clearly demanding audience looking for the maximum, has something so unnecessary... it's like putting an RPM limiter on a Ferrari because of gas consumption... anyway, let's hope they improve the situation.And that's what it is... we will continue to be the beta testers for companies. It applies to everything... they save more and more on quality control and expect the end users to report the problems and fix them if possible... or else... live with the error...
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One thing I think I remember reading in a review, I can't remember if it was on AnandTech. The 1/24 and 1/3 thing has a power consumption problem, that is, the Titan chip was mainly made to be used in data centers, which is why it has much more double precision calculation power than the 680, but this is not used in games. Having the units active is useful for disabling boost, right, because it increases power consumption and nVidia disables boost through drivers in these cases to prevent the graphics card from exceeding consumption. Moreover, with 1/3 there are times when it even has to reduce its speed to 750 MHz if the graphics card is working, to avoid exceeding consumption. I don't think activating the 1/3 option is a good way to increase overclocking.
Is it possible that the power consumption limit is to get PCI-Express certification? They can't consume more than 300W according to this certification, and since it seems that nVidia wants to sell these graphics cards mainly in complete systems, it may be a cause. Some manufacturers refuse to use uncertified components.
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I don't go into N3D, so say what you want, they're already bordering on the absurd, what I would appreciate is if they stayed there, the 4 that we all know and didn't come here to bother, there are several busybodies that you don't see, anyway, to the stake with them too ;D
Elp3, would it be too much trouble for you to pass a sleeping dogs with a single titan?
The sleeping dogs with filters in the middle, which in the end my 480 doesn't swallow hahahaI hope it's a matter of drivers, because with a titan you're below my trio of 480 at least in ungine, which despite that I think is a very good performance, a gpu speaking your to your against three.
As for the oc issue I expected them to go up more, I hope it's a temporary problem.By the way, greetings to new and old acquaintances.
Thanks.
