Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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It is indeed a joy to see pakito back in the forums. Keep up the good work.
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I was referring to the AA filter with SuperSampling, do they affect the 4 GB of having them, right?
Better to have them in that case for the majority of PC games and synthetic benchmarks.
No, it's a filter like any other with an X consumption of extra VRAM, it doesn't mean that it needs more than 2GB of VRAM by obligation because it's supersampling, what SSAA does need is bandwidth. Which, in any case, is the same for a 2 GB version as for a 4 GB.
It depends on the game you look at, but the vast majority, with supersampling or not, perform the same. Obviously you can always force things so that an application consumes much more VRAM than it should, perhaps by forcing MSAA on top of SSAA or something like that and using three monitors, but then don't expect adequate performance with 2 or 4 GB of VRAM either.
This type of graphics card pairs well with 2 GB of VRAM, 4 GB is more of a marketing point for the model than for its real performance.
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Congratulations ELP3 again among the top 10, if I remember correctly this is the best position you have achieved or at least since I know you, impressive!!!!
With so many Titans in your power is there any project for a 4K TV (as I understand they are limited to 30 fps) or monitor like the Sharp PN-K321 during this year.
Obviously their prices are high between U$S 5000 to U$S 10000 but those who have tried them say that their quality is monumental.-
Salu2.
Thanks patagonico, and also welcome..;)
It's not my best position. I was first in both xtreme and perfomace at the launch of the GTX 680. Before of course, the arrival of professional overclokers, however I was always within the Top HOF with that score.
I have no intention at the moment of a 4K panel... its price must be astronomical, and as you say they would be capped. I already have enough with the Dell 30" at 2560X1600p or multinimonitor.La the joy, is that you can put EVERYTHING you want, to EVERYTHING that the game gives..it doesn't matter 4 that 8X, that SSAA, that MSAA etc..it's a fucking joy...and 4 WAY is not that it scales well.Es that it's the best 4 way I've had.
A hug.
The truth is that you don't stop man, you're a crack, let's see if I can find time and do a small update I also have these chicks that are doing well, not ELP?, I have this a bit abandoned the truth, don't let your guard down for a second look every day in futuremark …. don't let a Murcian come and kick you in the ass.... jajaja :mad:, a joy to read us all again, with enthusiasm and good atmosphere that's what was needed, well as I said a pleasure as always and we'll be around here, great job as always makina¡¡¡ ;D
Don pako..what a joy to have you here..jeje..
Titan VERY good..in the order of 50-60% better at my resolution and filters than a 680…I think that has never been seen before within the same node and generation.Whenever you want Murcian,I'll be ready to dispute my position with you...even if it's by pouring liters of water over it...jeje..
Yes,the truth is that posting here is another story.Everything is based on respect for others and the desire to learn,so there shouldn't be problems..
I'm SO HAPPY to hear from you again.
A big hug Paco.
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No, it is a filter like any other with an X consumption of extra VRAM, it doesn't mean that it needs more than 2GB of VRAM by obligation because it is supersampling, what SSAA does need is bandwidth. Which, by the way, is the same for a 2 GB version as for a 4 GB.
It depends on the game you look at, but the vast majority, with supersampling or not, perform the same. Obviously you can always force things to consume much more VRAM from an application that it's due, perhaps forcing MSAA on top of SSAA or something like that and using three monitors, but then don't expect adequate performance with 2 or 4 GB of VRAM either.
This type of graphics card pairs well with 2 GB of VRAM, 4 GB is more of a marketing point for the model than for its real performance.
If it's the bandwidth that SSAA depends on then I don't care if it's the 2 GB card or 4 GB what is needed is a superior chip in this case the TITAN.
And since I don't have three monitors, nor do I play at resolutions over 1080p, I don't need the 4 GB of VRAM.
It's getting very clear to me, thanks for the explanation.
Best regards
PD: When improved versions of the TITAN come out I can already see myself buying at least one.
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If SSAA depends on bandwidth, then I don't care if it's the 2GB or 4GB card, what's needed is a superior chip, in this case the TITAN.
And since I don't have three monitors, or play at resolutions higher than 1080p, I don't need the 4GB of VRAM.
It's becoming very clear to me, thanks for the explanation.
Best regards
P.D.: When improved versions of the TITAN come out, I can already see myself buying at least one.
Don't be crazy... ;D
It's not like that either, the GTX 680 use their bandwidth very well and the truth is that they move quite well with SSAA, another matter is when a game, in addition to being able to use SSAA, can activate other bandwidth-consuming effects, as an example the last Tomb Raider that we have already discussed here:
The game runs very smoothly at 2xSSAA, and in a decent way, although not perfect at 4xSSAA and everything else at full except for two details:
DoF via DirectCompute, AMD's implementation of the effect in addition. Very expensive both in processing and bandwidth, although in equivalent implementations of nvidia they also depended a lot on bandwidth (Metro 2033), AMD's implementation makes you lose even more performance with nvidia.
TressFX, the effect is totally bugged, it's not normal or reasonable that suddenly when approaching a light source (and not all of them, just "here" and "there" apparently without any clear reason) the fps rate drops from about 55 fps to just under 20 fps, that can happen with this implementation, and the cost of the effect is approximately the same as the DoF above, I don't know if the bandwidth consumption is important or not with this effect, but what I do know is that it's irregular and negatively affects performance. In addition to the huge amount of glitches and other associated artifacts.
These two effects if you combine them with SSAA may not be manageable on a GTX 680, except that you limit yourself to something like 2xSSAA. Which goes pretty well, although being so unstable and bugged the mentioned effects (TressFX especially), it's usually not a good idea.
But anyway, the game can really be used with SSAA, and like him others, I played SniperV2 with 2.5xSSAA, and I turned off AMD's DirectCompute effects because these were the ones that most affected performance (recently with DirectCompute effects activated, nvidia cards have gained a +25% in fps, verified by myself). SSAA is more bearable than people think with the small Keplers.
In the same way that DirectCompute works pretty well on these cards IF the effects are well implemented.
The Titan seems to me an overkill to play at 1080p, but well, you decide. I'm also not sure if there will be a cheaper Titan clearly, if the 7 series comes out in a few months (they would step on the more advanced 7s and the discounted Titans).
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I was saying this more for the Synthetic Benchmarks, from 3D Vantage (DX10), 3D Mark 11 (DX11), Unigine (DX9 and DX 11) and the latest 3D Mark (DX9, DX10 and DX11).
Come on, my graphics card would be intended for those Synthetic Tests and some older ones like 3D Mark 03, 05, 06.
It's that like me, some others who participate in this thread, besides for PC games, we also participate in the HWBOT league of Overclockers and the tests are all Synthetic.
Well if you step on the next 7 range with the discounted Titan, you'll have to be careful and study what's best to buy and which one to participate with, at least in mono-gpu.
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Hombre pakitoesp, que alegria me da volver a leerte, no sabes las veces que me he acordado de tí, e incluso hablando con compas, y ni idea de ti…...
Espero que vuelvas pronto a las andadas, queremos ver de nuevo esas bellezas de equipos que te marcabas.
Bienvenido y lo dicho una alegria volver a "verte".....
Un Abrazo...!!
La verdad que si es una alegría volver a ver a pakito por los foros. Ánimo.
Gracias patagonico,y bienvenido también..;)
No es mi mejor puesto.Llegué a estar el primero tanto en xtreme como en perfomace a la salida de las GTX 680.Antes por supuesto,de la llegada de los overclokers profesionales,no obstante siempre estuve dentro del Top HOF con esa puntuación.
No tengo ninguna intención de momento,de un panel 4K…su precio debe ser astronómico,y como bien dices estarian capadas.Bastante tengo ya con el Dell de 30" a 2560X1600p o multinimonitor.La gozada,es que puedes poner TODO lo que quieras,a TODO lo que dé el juego..dá igual 4 que 8X,que SSAA,que MSAA etc..es un puta gozada...y el 4 WAY no es que escale bien.Es que es el mejor 4 way que he tenido.
Un abrazo.
Don pako..que alegría tenerte por aquí..jeje..
Titan MUY bien..del orden de un 50-60% mejor a mi resolución y filtros que una 680...creo que eso nunca antes se había visto dentro de un mismo nodo y generación.Cuando quieras murciano,estaré dispuesto a disputar contigo mi puesto...aunque sea echándole litros de agua por encima...jeje..
Si,la verdad es que postear aquí es otra historia.Todo se basa en el respeto hacia los demás y las ganas de saber,así,no debe haber problemas..
Me alegra MUCHISIMO saber de tí nuevamente.
Un abrazo fuerte Paco.
Gracias chicos la verdad es que nunca deje de leeros ^^, pero bueno me he tomado un año digamos sabático dedicado a otros menesteres,mi negocio y jugando en mi tiempo libre, que me hacia falta:D a veces aunque haya cosas que te gustan mucho uno se colapsa y es bueno desintoxicarse un poco para volver con mas fuerza, pero que nada que ya estoy por aquí otra vez dando guerra, con respecto a lo que dice jotole el mod tendrá que esperar un poco mas …. esta puta crisis xD :facepalm:... aunque el ansia viva la sigo teniendo que conste jajaja :ffu:
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Welcome Pakitoesp, this is getting better with each addition.
regards
I was saying this more for the Synthetic Benchmarks, from the 3D Vantage (DX10), 3D Mark 11 (DX11), Unigine (DX9 and DX 11) and the latest 3D Mark (DX9, DX10 and DX11).
Come on, my graphics card would be intended for those Synthetic Tests and some older ones like the 3D Mark 03, 05, 06.
It's that like me, some others who participate in this thread, besides for PC games, we participate in the HWBOT league of Overclockers and the tests are all Synthetic.
Well if you step on the next 7 range with the discounted Titan you'll have to be careful and study what's best to buy and with which to participate, at least in mono-gpu.
For synthetic benchmarks you are more interested in the 2 GB one, because you will be able to increase the memory more and something will be noticed, although the latest 3dmark seems to go to higher resolution in extreme, I don't know if it will ask for more vram because I haven't tested it yet, but looking at the graphics I doubt it will consume 2 gb, the 4gb will slow down the OC more, especially of the memory and when you increase the GPU it's good to be able to increase the memory more, especially in those 256 bit cards.
it also influences that the graphics card has good memory that allows you to increase.
regards
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Has anyone read about the complaints from many users about the throttling of the Titan for no apparent reason? I mean, no parameter exceeds the limits set by Nvidia. Temperature, consumption, etc.
ELP3 also comments in his review about the Turboboost 2.0 not running smoothly. So, owners are complaining on the Nvidia forums for them to look for a solution. Let's hope it really is something that can be fixed quickly and we can enjoy its true overclocking. -
In what team are you? I can't find you individually. It's to see how many credits your machines process (if you don't have them hidden).
I'm in the TITANESDC team and YES the teams are hidden…..........
Also now I'm doing a cleaning of micros and graphics, we are going for ITV.
Regards.
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It's that the "smoothness" is not due to its higher amount of Vram.Si but to its higher bus and higher bandwidth. Note that the bandwidth of a TITAN is 50% higher than that of a GTX 680.And although there are discussions and opinions about this, I believe that having a larger data bus also helps.256bit VS 384 bit, apart from the power of the chip itself.
There will be discussions and opinions, but since I've been in computing and for the number of graphics cards (both ATI and nVidia) that have passed through my hands, I can assure you that the data bus HAS a HUGE influence on the performance of a graphics card.
Well and therefore, the bandwidth is unquestionable.
Regards.
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Has anyone read about the complaints from many users about the throttling of the Titan for no apparent reason? I mean, no parameter exceeds the limits imposed by Nvidia. Temperature, consumption, etc.
Also, ELP3 comments in his review about Turboboost 2.0 not working smoothly. So, owners are complaining on the Nvidia forums for a solution. Let's hope it really is something that can be fixed quickly and we can enjoy its true overclocking.The "problem" seems clear, and it's the consumption. Nvidia seems to have capped it so that it doesn't spend more than 283W I think.. so, no matter the temp, voltage you put in, MHZ etc.. every time it reaches that consumption the card will adjust what it thinks is necessary to return to its TPD of 250W.
Nvidia has clearly lied about this, I say this because there is no other explanation for the turbo boost 2.0 or for not applying voltages at high MHZ.. But still, I find it incredible for example, that AMD lets it consume up to 325-350W with very high OCs on a 7970. And this monstrous chip, it's not allowed to suck up properly.. however, this is only influential when benchmarking synthetic. In games, the truth is that the frequency remains unchanged practically 99% of the time..
A shame.. but I think Nvidia knows very well what it's doing, what I don't know is why it does it…
Best regards.
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The "problem" seems clear, and it is consumption. Nvidia seems to have capped it so that it does not consume more than 283W I think..so,no matter the temp,voltage you put in,MHZ etc..every time it reaches that consumption the card will adjust what it thinks is necessary to return to its TPD of 250W.
Nvidia has clearly lied about this, I say this because there is no other explanation for the turbo boost 2.0 or that voltages are not applied at high MHZ..But still,I find it incredible for example,that AMD lets it consume up to 325-350W with very high OCs on a 7970.And this monstrous chip,it is not allowed to suck up all the power..nevertheless this is only influential when benchmarking.In games the truth is that the frequency remains invariable practically 99% of the time..
A shame..but I think Nvidia knows very well what it is doing,what I don't know is why it does it…
Best regards.
That is exactly what is being discussed and for having lied in that sense there are already many people complaining and that is good, because in the end Nvidia will have to do something about it. Like giving more margin.When and how? That is the question. But I think the chip is monstrous for the graphic power it offers. It is like a BMW M5 of 560 HP limited to 200 kmh because of its consumption, when it could reach 320 kmh. That is my opinion.
With the desire I have to change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:facepalm:
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Thanks patagonico, and welcome too..;)
It's not my best post. I got to be the first in both xtreme and perfomace at the release of the GTX 680. Before, of course, the arrival of professional overclokers, but I was always in the Top HOF with that score.
I have no intention at the moment of a 4K panel... its price must be astronomical, and as you say they would be capped. I have enough already with the Dell 30" at 2560X1600p or multinimonitor.La the joy, is that you can put EVERYTHING you want, to EVERYTHING that the game gives..it doesn't matter 4 that 8X, that SSAA, that MSAA etc..it's a fucking joy...and the 4 WAY is not that it scales well.Es that it's the best 4 way I've had.
A hug.
So double congratulations for that 1st place and for the current 2nd place, I imagine that you must be enjoying it to the fullest, the 4 way is a silk to all power, well then maybe finally be the first in something ;D that is for 2014 because a 4K capped at 30 fps doesn't convince me and the only monitor that arrives in quality is Dell and no news of 4K.-
Salu2.-
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The "problem" seems clear, and it is consumption. Nvidia seems to have capped it so that it does not consume more than 283W I think..so,no matter the temp,voltage you put in,MHZ etc..every time it reaches that consumption the card will adjust what it thinks is necessary to return to its TPD of 250W.
Nvidia has clearly lied about this, I say this because there is no other explanation for the turbo boost 2.0 or that voltages are not applied at high MHZ..But still,I find it incredible for example,that AMD lets it consume up to 325-350W with very high OCs on a 7970.And this monstrous chip,is not allowed to suck up all the power..nevertheless this is only influential when benchmarking.In games the truth is that the frequency remains invariable practically 99% of the time..
A shame..but I think Nvidia knows very well what it is doing,what I don't know is why it does it…
Best regards.
Hi ELP3:
I don't know where I read it, that maybe they thought of releasing a Titan a little more "limited" than this one, but NOT lowering the price too much.
The idea that nVidia has regarding Titan is the same concept as when Intel released the X6800, QX, I7 980 X, etc …..
To continue marking a line with products for the general public and another line of "ELITE" products.
Best regards.
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That's exactly what's being discussed and because they lied about it, there are already a lot of people complaining and that's good because in the end Nvidia will have to do something about it. Like giving more margin. When and how? That's the question. But I think the chip is monstrous for the graphics power it offers. It's like a 560 CV BMW M5 limited to 200 km/h because of its consumption, when it could reach 320 km/h. That's my opinion.
I'm so eager to change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:facepalm:
Things are bad, none of the Titans seem to allow control over the voltage, here's what's being said in other threads.
This TDP limit is 106% of Titan’s base TDP of 250W, or 265W. No matter what you throw at Titan or how you cool it, it will not let itself pull more than 265W sustained.
Overvolting is instead a set of two additional turbo clock bins, above and beyond Titan’s default top bin. On our sample the top bin is 1.1625v, which corresponds to a 992MHz core clock. Overvolting Titan to 1.2 means unlocking two more bins: 1006MHz @ 1.175v, and 1019MHz @ 1.2v. Or put another way, overvolting on Titan involves unlocking only another 27MHz in performance.
These two bins are in the strictest sense overvolting – NVIDIA doesn’t believe voltages over 1.1625v on Titan will meet their longevity standards, so using them is still very much going to reduce the lifespan of a Titan card – but it’s probably not the kind of direct control overvolting hardcore overclockers were expecting. The end result is that with Titan there’s simply no option to slap on another 0.05v – 0.1v in order to squeak out another 100MHz or so. You can trade longevity for the potential to get another 27MHz, but that’s it.
Ultimately, this means that overvolting as implemented on Titan cannot be used to improve the clockspeeds attainable through the use of the offset clock functionality NVIDIA provides. In the case of our sample it peters out after +115MHz offset without overvolting, and it peters out after +115MHz offset with overvolting. The only difference is that we gain access to a further 27MHz when we have the thermal and power headroom available to hit the necessary bins.
Those partners will have the option to release Titan cards with factory overclocks and Titan cards with different coolers (i.e. water blocks), but they won’t be able to expose direct voltage control or ship parts with higher voltages. Nor for that matter will they be able to create Titan cards with significantly different designs (i.e. more VRM phases); every Titan card will be a variant on the reference design.
pero es verdad que Nvidia no dijo que estuvieran capadas,decia que era por la temperatura,pero no es asi en realidad a la hora de ocearlas.
AnandTech - NVIDIAâ€
s GeForce GTX Titan Review, Part 2: Titan's Performance UnveiledIf I also love this graphics card and if they release one for $600 with 3 GB and with 20% less performance, there will be several of us who will fall for the temptation.
The video is very good, it's a blast to play like this.-
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It's difficult to see one at 600$, maybe when they're about to release the 780 and seeing Nvidia's move, it's scary to think what they're going to do, which with the 780 should allow custom models, but seeing that the Titans have a power cap, I bet that if they release another more cut version, it will come with the same thing, a power cap so that it doesn't get close to their other cards and a lower cap.
Maybe with the 780 it's better since at least they will have to release custom models with more VRM and it's more likely that they will allow a higher cap, therefore they should allow higher frequencies
regards
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The truth is that you don't stop man, you're a great guy, let's see if I can find some time and do a small update myself too because from what I see these chicks are doing well aren't they ELP?, I've got this a bit abandoned to be honest, don't let your guard down for a second look every day in futuremark …. don't let a guy from Murcia come and kick your ass.... jajaja :mad:, it's a joy to read us all again, with enthusiasm and good vibes which is what was needed, well as I said a pleasure as always and we'll be around here, great work as always makina¡¡¡ ;D
a pleasure to read you, and of course, let's hope soon, to see your mods,….
regards
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Thanks guys, the truth is that I never stopped reading you ^^, but well, I've taken a year off, let's say, dedicated to other things, my business and playing in my free time, which I needed:D sometimes even if there are things you like a lot, one collapses and it's good to detox a little to come back with more strength, but nothing, I'm already back here fighting again, regarding what jotole says, the mod will have to wait a little longer …. this damn crisis xD :facepalm:... although the craving is still alive, I have that on record jajaja :ffu:
Well, the important thing is to see you in "active", again, you'll be building mods, we know for sure that you don't lack imagination.
.So you surprise us on the least expected day….....
.A greeting..!!
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The "problem" seems clear what it is, and it is the consumption. Nvidia seems to have capped it so that it does not spend more than 283W I think.. with which, it doesn't matter temp, voltage that you put, MHZ etc.. every time it reaches that consumption the graphics card will adjust what it thinks is necessary to return to maintain its TPD of 250W
Perhaps some good overclocks can be achieved without touching the voltage. After all, both voltage and temperature, influence consumption, and if it is consumption that limits.... although I still don't see a reasonable explanation for the fan after having soaked the threads of EVGA and Overclockers, which makes me think that it could still be a problem of drivers, we will have to wait a little.
Regards
P.D. My Titan arrives on Tuesday, I'm so looking forward to giving it a try
