I ask for a recommendation

[Kornex]

• Maximum Budget? : 400€
• What use will it be put to? : Gaming and Office
• What should the budget include? : Processor+motherboard+ram
• Store where you want to buy it? : Amazon
• Do you need assembly? : No
• Do you need software in the budget? : No
• Any extra comments? : No

To clarify, I have a half-built PC, part of it was from the old one (what I want to change) and the new part is an OCZ 600W power supply, and a Sappire 6850HD 1gb GDDR5
I'm not sure if I should decide between an Intel or an AMD, since I've heard very good things about the AMDs, but the performance is lower than an intel.
The motherboard should be compatible with the two elements that I changed at the time.
And having a 4Gb RAM, I think I would fall short.

For anything, I can provide an everest report.

[Franziskaner]

hello
Intel Core i5 BX80623I52500K - Processor (3.3 GHz, 6MB cache, LGA1155 socket): Amazon.es: Computers
Asrock Z77 Pro3, 32 GB, 16GB, 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 1066, 1333, 1600, 1866, 2133, 2400 MHz, DDR3-SDRAM, dual, Intel: Amazon.es: Computers
Corsair Simm - RAM Memory 8 GB PC-1333 DDR3 (CL9 i5/i7): Amazon.es: Computers
and
OCZ Agility 3 Series - Solid State Drive 60 GB SATA III 2.5": Amazon.es: Computers
total 381.76
but as everything can be improved, the i5 is almost better than the 3570k and the motherboard and the memory are more of the same, but as a starting point to give you an idea it's not bad
regards
P.D remember to make the premium account and then delete it so you save on shipping costs

[Sylver]

I don't know if you were also looking for an SSD or if it was a gift from Franziskaner :ugly: but if you look for one, I recommend the Crucial M4 which is quite good in quality/price.

Adjusting the budget only to motherboard+micro+ram, I recommend this:

Intel BX80637I53570 - Microprocessor, Core I5-3570, 3.4 GHz, socket LGA1155: Amazon.es: Computer

Asrock Z77 Extreme4, DIMM, DDR3-SDRAM, dual, Intel, Socket H2(1155), Core i3, Core i5, Core i7: Amazon.es: Computer

G-Skill 8GBXL Ripjaws X - RAM Memory 8 GB for Intel Sandybridge Platforms DDR3 (PC12800, 1600 MHz) - 2 x 4096 MB: Amazon.es: Computer

Cooler Master Hyper 412S, 0.1 A, 1.2 W, Black, Silver, 0.507 kg, 52.6 cfm, 132 x 99 x 160 mm: Amazon.es: Computer

Almost 400€.

Regards

[Kornex]

Can this be the best i5 out there?
Intel Core i5-3570K, Quad Core, 3.40GHz, 6MB, LGA1155, 22nm, 77W, VGA, BOX: Amazon.es: Electrónica

What is the difference between the asrock you put me and this one:
Asrock Z77 Pro4-M, DIMM, DDR3-SDRAM, dual, Intel, Socket H2(1155), Core i3, Core i5, Core i7: Amazon.es: Electrónica

Because apparently one is pro3 and the other is pro4.

And in Ram you have recommended Corsair Slimm, but what about the vengeance or the ripjaws
Corsair Vengeance - DDR3 RAM Memory (PC1600, 8 GB, CL9), 2 x 4 GB: Amazon.es: Electrónica
G-Skill 8GBXL Ripjaws X - DDR3 RAM Memory 8 GB for Intel Sandybridge Platforms (PC12800, 1600 MHz) - 2 x 4096 MB: Amazon.es: Electrónica

And as for the SSD, I think I don't need it at all since I have an external hard drive of 1 Tb (WD Elements) that I plan to convert to internal and put it as the main one to make the most of its capacity.

What would you say?
Then for example, the processor I could buy it from Pccomponentes because it's 40 euros cheaper:
Click and I think it's the same.

[Sylver]

The problem I see with the Vengeance is the size of the heatsink, which can be a nuisance when trying to fit a proper heatsink on the micro.

The differences between the various ASRock motherboards are the size, the quality of the capacitors, the overclocking capability, and little else. The Extreme ones like the one I show you are more durable and better prepared for overclocking, the PRO ones are good in terms of quality/price. The size difference is reflected in the "M" suffix. The Pro3 is ATX size while the Pro4-M is Micro ATX, smaller.

By the way, I put the i5 3570 without K, which doesn't have the multiplier unlocked for overclocking, but mounted on that motherboard and with that heatsink, the 3570K is worth it, you gain performance by overclocking it.

Regards

[Sylver]

I don't know how you looked, but the 3570K is on Amazon for 198€

http://www.amazon.es/Intel-BX80637I53570K-Procesador/dp/B007RUZKK6/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1365014906&sr=1-1

[Kornex]

In the case of the processor, I think I would prefer it with K since it only goes for 30 euros the good one from Pccomponentes as I said before, which I don't think is so bad, since here you helped me a while ago to tinker with my pc.
What improvement does the motherboard you put me have over Francis's? And if the SSD is a gift, but mind you, if he pays for it I'll be delighted jajaja :ugly:

I'm sure I'll have to add the heatsink since I want it to be in good condition and last for years. I'll take note of the one you put me.

And I had also been eyeing those RAMs.

I looked at this processor: Intel Core i5-3570K, Quad Core, 3.40GHz, 6MB, LGA1155, 22nm, 77W, VGA, BOX: Amazon.es: Informática

I don't know what differentiates it from those that have thousands of letters and numbers together. Anyway, I prefer to take one with a K.

[Sylver]

The thing is that the one I put you is K although it is expressed in a less clear way, the price differences on Amazon depend on the store to which the ad is linked, because I don't know if you will know that on Amazon products are offered from various stores from various places, hence the same product (exactly) can be found with 5 or 6 different prices.
I bought my 2500K there and it cost me €192 when in all the other places and ads it was €219€, and so far it doesn't look like it's a fake :ugly:

The difference between boards is the overclocking capability and above all the quality of the capacitors, apart from the expansion slots and the greater number of USB 3.0. For example, in the Extreme4 (the one I put you), you can mount up to quad crossfire or quad SLI of graphics, while in the Pro3 only crossfire or simple SLI. The latter is not very relevant in your case, as I don't think you will mount more than one graphics card, but to overclock the 3570K I would stay with the Extreme4, it is better prepared for overclock.

Greetings

[Kornex]

Yes, I realized after it was an external seller on amazon. I messed up.

So the best thing would be to stick with an Extreme 4 like you said. It would all come out to about 412.

Considering that I could sell my old HP, maybe it would come out a bit cheaper.

So everything above (what you've given me), is compatible with the Sapphire HD 6850 1GB GDDR5 and my OCZ 600W power supply?
Is the system quiet or is it going to be rumbling?

[Sylver]

It is totally compatible, of course. Try to sell the parts of your old PC and you will get a very cheap upgrade.
It's all pretty quiet, the power supply is what I don't know how it will sound, but being an OCZ I deduce it will be quiet. I have a 500W OCZ ModXStream and I don't even hear it. That is, if you put in very demanding games with many filters (like Tomb Raider 2013, Crysis 3, with everything turned up, etc.) the 6850 will fire up the fan to cool down and it will sound a bit like a turbine, but it's not a big deal either. I know this firsthand because I have a crossfire of 5850 that when playing those games with all the filters at maximum, they make a curious racket

Regards

[Kornex]

I'm going to think about it seriously because I'm very interested and these days (if not tomorrow) I might buy it because I have.

Many thanks

[Franziskaner]

he he he it's nice he he
I included the SSD in the budget because with 400 bucks, considering what the PC is for and that you only want micro MB and ram, there's extra money, so unless you want to spend less, I personally would buy either an SSD (I put that one so as not to go over budget) or a decent cooler (which is almost preferable to the cooler) unless you want to do like Sylver :troll::troll: who has a beautiful K and a very pretty MB but... can't do O.C :ugly:
P.D about the PC components (or any other store) and amazon, think about the shipping costs and the quality of the RMA, on amazon the shipping costs come out free by registering as premium and when you receive the shipment you delete it.
regards
P.D 2 as you can see we have both passed over AMD, the new 8350s are very good, about 10/20 bucks less than a 2500K, but they perform less in games :wall: unless you have a compatible motherboard with them it's not a valid option. it was mainly to clarify
regards

[_Neptunno_]

@Kornex:

And as for the SSD, I think I don't need it at all since I have an external hard drive of 1 Tb (WD Elements) that I plan to convert to internal and put it as the main one to make the most of its capacity.

I don't know what hard drive you had until now as the main one, but it surely has better performance than the one you have on the external drive, because for sure it is a WD Green. I reused in the PC for watching movies and downloads one of 1.5TB, because the usb/sata controller broke, and it is Green.
That is, it has less consumption but worse performance, anyway if you don't have more disks and you don't intend to spend a dime more, go ahead... the games will go the same, although in certain tasks it will go a little slower.

Greetings!

[Sylver]

@Franziskaner:

je je je simpático je je
I put the SSD in the budget because with 400 bucks, considering what the PC is for and that you only want micro MB and ram, there is extra money, so unless you want to spend less, I would personally buy either an SSD (I put that one so as not to go over the budget) or a decent cooler (which is almost preferable to the cooler) unless you want to do like Sylver :troll::troll: who has a beautiful K and a very pretty MB but …... can't do O.C :ugly:
P.D about the Pc components (or any other store) and amazon, think about the shipping costs and the quality of the RMA, on amazon the shipping costs come out free by registering as premium and when you receive the shipment you delete it.
regards
P.D 2 as you can see we have both passed over AMD, the new 8350s are very good, about 10/20 bucks less than a 2500K, but they perform less in games :wall: unless you have a compatible motherboard it is not a valid option. I just wanted to clarify that
regards

Are we already pinching? Don't remind me that I have the stock cooler, I get very upset :ugly:

He should invest now in the platform and then with the next savings get an SSD of 128Gb or more, that way he has a proportional team, but the intention is very good, it will always be better to have an SSD than a mechanical one.

Regards

[Franziskaner]

@Sylver:

Are we already overclocking? Don't remind me that I have the stock cooler, I get very angry :ugly:

What he should do is invest in a platform now and then with the next savings, get a 128Gb SSD or more, so he has a proportional computer, but the intention is very good, it will always be better to have an SSD than a mechanical one.

Regards

that's why I say that if you have extra money and get a K, it's silly to have the stock cooler, because then you won't be able to do much overclocking, another thing is that today you don't want to overclock and then an SSD as the main hard drive I think is what you need.
regards
P.D Sylver I'm not overclocking :troll: it's that I'm eager to see those synthetic tests that you promised ;D

[Kornex]

Obviously an SSD is better than a mechanical one, but apart from the money, there's the fact that the Elements I have is almost unused, and since it has a lot of capacity I want to give it a good use. Of course I will have to buy a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter.

[Franziskaner]

@Kornex:

Obviously an SSD is better than a mechanical one, but apart from the money, there's the fact that the Elements I have is almost unused, and since it has a lot of capacity I want to give it a good use. Of course I will have to buy a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter.

well ….. I would never suggest that you use an SSD as a single disk, the Elements as a storage disk and if you don't have any more (hard drive is understood) it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a partition for backups.
regards

[Kornex]

@Franziskaner:

man ….. I would never suggest that you use an SSD as a single disk, the Elements as a storage disk and if you don't have any more (hard drive is understood) it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a partition for backups.
regards

My idea was to use the Elements (as internal, that is, taking it out of its box) and a Barracuda that I have that is already old and isn't up to many copy runs.

[Sylver]

Be careful with disks that are too old, constantly monitor them with Crystal Disk because if they enter RIESGO they have little life left... I assure you.

That said, you can put the one you have as internal, but think about getting a new disk soon, whether SSD or mechanical, but it will always perform better than one from an external carcase, because as Neptunno rightly says, they are all low consumption, that is, they go at fewer revolutions and have lower speed rates, so their performance for tasks or games is much poorer.

Greetings

[Franziskaner]

as I told you Neptunno, most likely that hard drive is a Green and that is not the best choice precisely for a main drive, I would almost prefer the old barracuda as the main one and the green as a backup
regards