Why are there so many idiots in the forum lately?

[ferelxyx]

well, it's a mystery, is it because it's summer and they're like flies? are they extraterrestrials?
if they're not, they're something worse, idiots, this is a reflection of mine and for now I won't put names
but I will put them, and soon. I don't know if I should put a vote of: why? there are so many idiots:wall:

[whoololon]

Wow, what's up with this place.
I know there have been threads lately that seem like competitions to see who can post the biggest nonsense, but maybe they just seem that way.
Personally, I think that since the day the front page disappeared (which admittedly didn't serve much purpose, but it did let you know what the forum was about), it has gone from a community interested in pushing machines to their hardware limits, to something more general.
And getting into the general area, this is like pregnancy magazines: no matter how many times something is explained, there will always be someone who is a first timer and doesn't know the answer; and so they bring up the same topics over and over again. I don't know if I'm making myself clear.
This is where moderators should step in, or at least the veterans (who I at least respect): if a topic is seen to be going off track or not in the right direction, respond, redirect, or close it. But leaving discussions in the hands of users who clearly, aside from a willingness to help, don't have much idea, is like the blind leading the blind.

…and I say this as the biggest idiot of them all. :ugly:

[Sylver]

Stay calm ferelxyx, it's true that lately some threads are leaving pearls to not continue reading, but I suppose there has always been a little of this everywhere, perhaps it's about the free time that summer usually provides, it's easier for these things to happen, but I encourage you not to get worked up about this or generate a debate that could be controversial and end badly. After all, the forum is not being destabilized nor is this becoming forotrolls or anything like that.

I say this from the appreciation companion, I wouldn't want the "godfathers" of the forum (veterans and great reputable ones) to come into conflict with each other or could suffer negative consequences for their reaction to the desperate events (totally understandable the annoyance) or for similar issues. There's no problem in dealing with the issue and so on, but I suggest calm, so that there are no conflicts or bad vibes :sisi:

As the wise and in general parents/mothers say: Patience… A lot of patience.

Greetings

[kynes]

Who should you hit??? ;D

[Bm4n]

Jajaja vamos con esas preguntas existenciales!

A ver yo creo que:
1º Hay mucho ignorante que mete mano al PC pensando que sabe lo que hace.
2º Los nuevos en linea que piensan que internet es yahoo respuestas y no tiene ni pajolera de como usar Google, Wikipedia, etc.
3º Que a los veteranos estamos de vuelta y nos trae sin cuidado porque X tontería no le funciona al paisano del 1er punto. Todas esas chorradas tienen una misma respuesta: comprobar paso a paso y requieren de que la persona de información exacta y concreta cosa que no suele pasar por lo comentado en el punto 2º.

[whoololon]

@Bm4n:

Jajaja vamos con esas preguntas existenciales!

A ver yo creo que:
1º Hay mucho ignorante que mete mano al PC pensando que sabe lo que hace.
2º Los nuevos en linea que piensan que internet es yahoo respuestas y no tiene ni pajolera de como usar Google, Wikipedia, etc.
3º Que a los veteranos estamos de vuelta y nos trae sin cuidado porque X tontería no le funciona al paisano del 1er punto. Todas esas chorradas tienen una misma respuesta: comprobar paso a paso y requieren de que la persona de información exacta y concreta cosa que no suele pasar por lo comentado en el punto 2º.

La :mudo:ta verdad.

Lo peor es que sabemos que eso no es verdad: saben usarlo… pero eso de leer, de reunir toda la información para aplicarlo a su problema (léase currarselo)… pues mejor si se lo dan masticado.

Sigo opinando que si desde el primer mensaje, un moderador respondiera "Este foro no está orientado para ayudar a principiantes... etc" y pegara el cerrojazo, pues igual se conseguía mantener el nivel que se ha tenido hasta ahora. Y debe entenderse que no es descortesía, simplemente especialización.
Resumiendo, en mi opinión esto quien únicamente puede solventarlo es la administración del foro.

[cobito]

@whoololon:

The :mudo: truth.

The worst part is that we know this is not true: they know how to use it… but when it comes to reading, gathering all the information to apply it to their problem (read: putting in the work)… well, they'd rather be given the information chewed up and ready to swallow.

I still think that if a moderator responded with "This forum is not meant to help beginners... etc." from the very first message and put an end to it, we might have been able to maintain the level we've had so far. And it should be understood that this is not being rude, just specialized.
In summary, in my opinion, this is something that only the forum administration can solve.

The problem with limiting the forum is that we might lose valuable new members.

I don't know if it's just me (probably is), or if it's really not like that: from where I see things, there are fewer and fewer computer enthusiasts, the PC as a "toy*" is disappearing, and the use of PCs can only decrease in the coming years until it reaches the level of use from the mid-90s (offices, workstations, and gaming console).

If that's the case (which I'm not sure about), the number of potential new quality users is decreasing. If we close the door to beginners, that's a bad thing.

Of course, saying this is very easy when I haven't contributed anything of value in months (which I hope will change in a few weeks) and I don't even pay attention to those tedious queries that Bm4n talks about.

*understand toy as a gadget to tinker with, not for playing games.

[whoololon]

I did not mean to imply that the forum should be limited, but rather refined, which is not exactly the same thing.
"Back then" (when we all laughed more) tinkering was more fun because the hardware was not "factory-prepared" for it, as it is now. You could, and did, do some real nonsense that, what's more, worked and was noticeable more than now, since the equipment's power was lower.
But we all knew the basics, regardless of the fact that, obviously, some knew more about computers than others.
And what ferelxyx is most likely referring to is that, to consultations and problems that would be solved, or very probably would not even be raised, if the user had a basic understanding of the subject.

And the best part is when they make fun of you or treat you like you can't read…
Well, know that at least I can read, and very well: I repeated preschool four times. ":risitas:

[Tecnho]

More than anything, there is little enthusiasm and a lot of "I want it now and have it fixed for me", there is little desire to tinker and also manufacturers are making everything easier so that components do not get damaged, just look at OC now, but well, not everyone is like that and things change or we are becoming more and more delicate.

[Bm4n]

Don’t fool yourself, there are many people who don’t know how to use Google properly. They know how to search for "house" or "car", but they don’t know how to search for the solution to a problem because they don’t know: what terms to use, in what language it’s better, what type of search to do, or what operators, quotes and symbols are used, etc. etc. And then, it’s not just Google that exists.

That’s what I’m saying, there are many ignorant people, and I don’t mean to say it pejoratively, I’m referring to people who really don’t know how to use a PC, how to use the internet, how to write in a forum/email/chat, the rules of conduct and courtesy, etc.

I know that if I enter a specialized forum (because I really need it and I’ve already searched on Google) I first have to do a search and take a look inside the forum to see that I’m not repeating the same topic, then put a brief but descriptive title in the correct section and then give as many details as possible so that I can be advised well and if they ask me to try something or put a screenshot I do it and respond to rule out possibilities. Tell me, how long has it been since a user like this entered… well, I haven’t seen one in a while.

P.D. And I’ve said it many times, someone who doesn’t take the trouble deserves to pay a technician to fix it, because there are many who need work in this country. If we keep giving answers and help to those who don’t deserve it instead of helping them to get their act together and be able to look it up, we’re going to be in trouble. First, because it’s better to teach how to fish than to give a fish, and second, that we leave the fishmonger without work by giving fish to the lazy ones who don’t even want to go down to the river.

[tilt]

@Bm4n:

I know that if I enter a specialized forum (because I really need it and I've already searched on google) I first have to do a search and take a look inside the forum to see that I'm not repeating the same topic, then put a brief but descriptive title in the correct section and then give as many details as possible so that I can be advised well and if they ask me to try something or put a screenshot I do it and respond to rule out possibilities. Tell me, how long has it been since a user like this entered... well, I haven't seen one in a while.

P.D. And I've said it more times, someone who doesn't take the trouble deserves to pay a technician to fix it because there are many who need work in this country, if we keep giving answers and help to those who don't deserve it instead of helping them to get their act together and be able to look for it we're going to be in trouble. First because it's better to teach how to fish than to give a fish and second because we leave the fishmonger without work by giving fish to the lazy who don't even want to go down to the river.

I fully agree. I don't care about the technical level of the people who enter as long as they try to inform themselves before expressing their doubts, and when they do, they present them with respect. Then there are those who get angry or lose their temper when they get an answer that's not what they want to hear, which I find pathetic.

I'm not in favor of limiting this forum to people who have been tinkering for half their lives (because that would probably be its end), but I do think it's interesting to agree not to respond to posts that don't provide enough level of detail, enough level of respect towards the people responding, remember, selflessly, or enough indications that a search has been done on the topic on the web, however superficial or unsuccessful it may have been. This way, the forum members stop wasting time with ungrateful people, and the ungrateful, as bm4n rightly points out, will have to seek their advice with demands by paying some local computer business, which are in danger of extinction.

[Sylver]

Totally agree, although the annoying thing about those new users who ask without searching and expect an answer is that sometimes, when they are not answered, they start posting massively in the thread they have created, in short, that some people keep nagging until they can't any more.

PD: Joy to read you again tilt

Regards

[Franziskaner]

hello, what is this, some kind of expiatory temple? ;D
I have at least four people to count on, who have actively collaborated in branches that ….. better forget about.
but many times it's like that, you read a branch from someone you think is asking a question with certain knowledge and then...... nothing.
and many times you read answers from some who "think they are wise" and then you think, you don't know what's worse, the ignorant (who sins by asking and by being lazy and not searching) or the "supposed wise" (who sins by arrogance by giving absurd answers and then acting like a martyr)
summary/solution:
only answer to posts that meet certain standards (that we all know)
greetings

[tilt]

@Sylver:

sometimes, when they are not answered, they start to post massively in the thread they have created, in short, that some people keep on posting until they can't anymore.

Well, as long as it is their threads (and not others) that are filled with crap, I don't mind. They can kick up a fuss all they want, maybe that way they will get more responses.

[Bm4n]

Man tilt that's good to see you!

And Franziskaner you'd better keep quiet because you're full of it, why are you scolding someone who's thanking you, even if it's in English?

We're not rude here unless there's a reason, I'm the first one to apologize sometimes, but you shouldn't mistreat users, it's about preventing this from becoming a chicken coop, treating people with good manners and not responding if you're not sure what you're saying.

[kalevala]

@Franziskaner:

hola, esto que es ¿algún tipo de templo expiatorio? ;D
conmigo cuento como poco a cuatro, que han colaborado activamente en ramas que ….. mejor olvidar

:facepalm:

[whoololon]

OMG, it's a tilt!!!
Something big has happened, for sure.

[Franziskaner]

@Bm4n:

And Franziskaner, you'd better keep quiet because you're full of nonsense, why are you scolding someone who's thanking you, even if it's in English?

I don't remember seeing him scold anyone.
unless you consider that saying "very good reflote" is scolding someone and since my English is terrible I clearly indicated that the translation was done with Google.
regards
P.D. and respect to the other branch, because yes, it ends up being annoying when someone asks something, they're answered properly and then the conversation goes off on a tangent and to top it off the rest dedicate themselves to pointing out things they said (nonsense with no basis whatsoever), when the normal thing would be to ignore them (but well, that's a personal opinion and as such, debatable)
P.D. 2 Blessed are the tilt eyes, since your birthday we haven't been reading from you around here (I hope it will be more often now)

[garfield]

Franziskaner, I'm going to tell you what's going on, because it's happened to me, and it bothers me:
I believe, and I say it without fear of being wrong, that we veterans are here for a reason, and many of us here, in many of your responses, you label us as idiots.
When I respond in a thread, I do so trying to help always, not to say something stupid, and if I repeat what has been said in a thread it's because I'm not sure if it needs to be repeated more times because they haven't understood. And on top of that, what you have explained again is what the enlightened one says "fix it, what I had to do was…..(here the solution that has been put repeatedly, by repeated people).
When I ask it's because for about 5 years I only came in to read something and little more. The little one is the one who governs my time. That I have been away for 5 years doesn't mean I don't have any... idea of what I'm talking about. I'm a veteran because I've proven it more than once, and in no message of mine will you see an insult or belittlement of a fellow.
When you talk to me with condescension it bothers me a lot, and like you there are a few who always have to have the last word, louder and many times with the mockery of "this one doesn't have a... clue".
Responding in a thread doesn't mean being more active, but in how many responses you have been helpful to the fellow. I don't have the messages from Bm4n, nor the one about krampak, and it's not that I'm an idiot who doesn't know what to respond. I started in Ngasis, when I don't think you knew what that was, I don't know if it was '99.
So as a rule I've said that first disrespect or belittlement of an answer even if I know the solution I'm not going to write anything, and I think ferelxyx and someone else is doing the same.
And no, I don't vote negative unless they insult me, in case anyone thinks I do.

[Franziskaner]

@garfield:

Franziskaner, I'm going to tell you what's going on, because it's happened to me, and it pisses me off:
I believe, and I say this without fear of being wrong, that we veterans are veterans for a reason, and many of us here, in many of your responses, you label us as idiots.

indeed you are veterans for a reason. for seniority and for knowledge
idiots? well, no, if anyone thinks that I have ever treated them disrespectfully or incorrectly from here I apologize and tell them that it was not my intention.
regards