Test of real proof-volcanic islands-amd 290x/cf

[ELP3]

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Hola amigos..

Aunque llevo mucho tiempo apartado,no estoy deconectado del todo de este mundillo…y mis contactos...;)

me han "traido" esta tarde esto...

Se vé que eso del BF4 con tan solo 8000 unidades lo podemos de ir olvidando…ni las he reservado y todas las que he visto,bastantes,lo tenían..;)

Recién pinchada.Problemas de detección de algunos parámetros en gpu-z y MSi,como es lógico pues aún no ha salido..

No suena nada..pero claro,esto tiene como consecuencia esto:

58º en iddle!!!!! madre de dios..las GTX 480 ván a parecer que llevaban rl al lado de estas…que barbaridad..y yo la tengo al aire y en bench table...solo hay una pinchada..

Vaya..me acaba de fallar ono 120MB,y tengo que tirar de timofonica con 3...así que no puedo subir mucho..

He puesto la palaquita en el otro modo y por lo menos las temps,són mejores,aunque no parece que el ventildaor funcicone a mas rpm..

MADRE MIA,TEMPS NAVEGANDO:

82º!!! pero esta gente está loca o qué? que el ventilador está para girar..no se puede sacar un producto así de verde por dios..que si pasa del 30% de giro no vá a pasar nada…me parece a mí que la segunda se queda en la caja,no creo que me arriesgue a poner 2 pegadas ...esto no es de recibo..:(

ACTUALIZACION DE TEMPS

Acabo de formatear,he puesto el raid 0 de C300 y quitado aero(por si era el problema) y no GPU-Z.Ultimos drivers beta y palanca en normal(creo)

podemos ver que baja a 2D..y ha mejorado algo la temp en iddle,pero siguen siendo 45º..

ACTUALIZACION DE TEMPS 2

Probamos a pasar un 3D Mark con OC a ver que pasa con las temps ahora que són un poco mas normales:

Nos encontramos con varias cosas:

la primera,que el resultado es el mismo que antes de formatear.

la segunda,que las temps siguen siendo muy altas con el venti en auto.Con lo cual,el GPU-Z no afectaba en carga.

la terecera y mas interesante,en estos últimos drivers,podemos observar como aparece un objetivo de temperatura tipo Power target de Nvidia,lo cual nos hace pensar,que si bajamos la temp de 95º que es por defecto,hará que el venti entre antes..lo porbaré a ver..

ACTUALIZACION DE TEMPS 3

La gráfica,a pesar de no tener el GPU-Z activo,ni el aero…sigue haciendo cosas rarísimas sin carga.Igual está a 0% que se sube al 88% que vuelve a bajar solo por abrir una web.

Los drivers són los 13.11 betaV3.

Efectivamente,si modificas el valor de temp,también lo hace automáticamente el ventilador.El problema? que hace mucho ruido a partir del 45% y para mantener temps sobre 80º hace falta…

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3D Mark xtreme de stock con la palanca en modo cocedera..

Decir que por primera vez estoy utilizando un medidor de corriente a la pared,el equipo es un Ivy Bridge a 4800MHZ con una máximus V,memos a 2133MHZ y raid 0 de raptor.

El pico mínimo del equipo en iddle,ha sido de 140W..el máximo pasando 3Dmark ha sido de 440,1W…

Ahora pruebo con OC máximo..no deja subir de momento,aunque ponga +50mv en MSI,mas de 100MHZ el core..y las memos suben mucho pero con muchos artefactos...esto es lo mejor que he conseguido..a mas casca..tampoco he querido poner el ventilador turbina la 100% por 2 motivos..

Primero,para no despertar a los vecions..jeje..y segundo,porque quería ver hasta donde le dejaba llegar en auto..94º es el tope antes de reaccionar...

3D MARK 11 XTREME:

Aquí se puede apreciar perfectamente,como el ventilador tan solo aumentó en 900rpm su giro para mantenerse a 94º..dá igual como esté la palanca,siempre hace lo mismo..por cierto,el resultado…de pena..

Máximo OC conseguido...+145mhz de core...no sé ni como ha pasado el test,pues casi siempre la pantalla iba,venía y estaba llena de artefactos,pero lo hizo..también personalizé el ventilador del 55 al 65%..es insoportable ya a este giro,pero las temps bajan mucho...

ACTUALIZACION JUEGOS

aquí paso el metro LL con el power target para que no pase de 85º..Objetivo cumplido,pero el ventilador está ya al 55% y el silbido es muy molesto..mala solución tiene el tema del perfil del venti…:(

Metro 1600p a tope menos physx y teselacion que está en normal.

ACLARACION TEMA BENCH DE JUEGOS

Estoy pasando algunos test de juegos.El problema que yo veo es el siguiente.

Los únicos con benchs propios,Tomb Raider,Hitam,Sleeping dogs etc..ya sabemos que estos benchs ván mejor por lo general en AMD.Sin embargo,juegos como Crysis 3,FAR CRY 3 e incluso BF3,no tienen ningún tipo de herramienta.Así que veo un poco absurdo pasar por pasar,máxime cuando vais a tener toneladas de estos test en todas las webs mundiales dentro de unas horas.

Por lo general,puedo decir que en estos test tiene mas rendimiento que la GTX 780(la cual no tengo) y está virtualmete empatada con TITAN.Unas veces gana una,otras veces otra..pero no se suelen llevar ni 1 frame de diferencia a 1600p y todos los filtros activos.Quizás metro LL sea el único que se inclina mas hacia el lado de TITAN.Bueno,y el Hitman hacia AMD,aquí incluso de un manera mas clara.Decir que hasta el sleeping dogs,me ha dado exactamente lo mismo en ambas..38,8fps..osea que..

Hablo de stock,obviamente las TITAN como he comentado las puedo hacer dar mucho se sí..pero claro,no sería justo ya que de momento no ocean las R290X.

El rendimiento de estas 290X jugando no puedo hablar porque no me he puesto a ello.Muchas veces los benchs,no reflejan del todo la jugabilidad (MS) etc que puede haber en un juego.Pero prometen ser muy poderosas.

Si teneis interés en algún bench en particular con especs y resolución exproceso,pedirlo y haré lo que pueda…;)

PROBLEMAS CON EL TURBO

bueno,como esta no iba a ser una excepción,al igual que ocurre con el boost 2.0 de las GK110,estas bajan core cuando llegan al target escogido.Ahora entiendo porque vienen de serie para coger 95º,es la única forma de que no bajen muy a menudo las frecuencias.En cuanto le he puesto como objetivo que no pase de 85º,efectivamente no pasa,pero a 84º ya baja el core a 960Mhz…he pasado el bench del sleeping dogs,cuyo consumo por cierto,ha sido de 457W sin OC alguno a la pared,y ha ocurrido esto:

Aquí una bajada jugando la crisis 3 con FXAA very high y a 1600p,la verdad es que se defiende bien para ser una sola,casi siempre está por encima de 30fps

Mal asunto esto de los turbos..el dia que nvidia los inventó,podía haberse estado quieta..:(

CONSUMO,ATENCION

Creo que esto,aunque anecdótico,no se puede pasar por alto.

Caja de una Gigabyte TITAN:

Fuente recomendada 600W

Caja de una sapphire Radeon 290X:

Fuente recomendada 750W….además se nota,que es un parche de última hora,ya que la etiqueta está superpuesta...750W es lo normal para hacer CF o SLIs..en monogpu,aun siendo conservador como suelen ser los fabricantes,es una sobrada increíble...Imposible entonces hacer Quad CF con estas..supongo..

Un saludo y paciencia..

[fjavi]

I don't know how they set that fan profile so low, I'd rather it make some noise than get hot, they should have set it to at least 35% or 40%, they're going to have to ask for a custom profile and more in CF.

regards

[Fassou]

Congratulations on the new toy :fumeta:

You are already passing us some Benchmark, and leaving us drooling

Salu2!

[Sylver]

How cute Enjoy them!

But a fact… Is it me or have the hateful and harmful turbine fans come back with a vengeance? :wall:

Regards

[iPEN]

Uncle; you are an artist.

58º in idle; you have to fuck yourself. And on a bench table. My SLI 780 is at 28º in idle.

[Chupaita]

Congratulations Elp3 on the acquisition of that pair….:ugly:

You will share your impressions as soon as you can.

Greetings!!

[Patagonico]

This time you really outdid yourself, they haven't been released to the market and you already have them;D

I can't wait to see those good comparisons you've got us used to.

I hope you have the titans to face them :sisi:

Don't forget anything 1600p / surround / temperatures / sound and more

Regards.-

[ELP3]

@Patagonico:

This time you really have it, they haven't been released to the market and you already have them ;D

How eager to see those good comparisons that you have accustomed us to.

I hope you have the titans to face them :sisi:

Don't forget anything 1600p / surround / temperatures / sound and more

Regards.-

TITANES I have a few here..but I think there's little to compare in anything you comment on..mine some do up to 1246MHZ..with1,21V…and already from stock they take in almost everything to these. Temps, consumption, build quality etc..it's another world..just like the price,yes..but more than one will be surprised,and not for good,if amd maintains the starting price for the 24 that I am not yet authorized to say it,because they themselves don't know if they will maintain it or not..I think they shouldn't release them at that price,which as I say is very high..

Regards.

[Patagonico]

@ELP3:

TITANES I have a few here..but it seems to me that there is little to compare in anything you comment..mine some do up to 1246MHZ..with1,21V…and already from stock they take in almost everything to these.Temps,consumption,constructive quality etc..it is another world..just like the price,yes..but more than one will be surprised,and not for good,if amd maintains the starting price for the 24 that I am not yet authorized to say it,because they themselves do not know if to maintain it or not..I think they should not bring them out at that price,which as I say is very high..

Regards.

Well we have to wait then, I take a seat and enjoy the review, too bad I expected a lot from the R9 290X when they made the announcement (as we say pure and hard performance) but it seems that in the last days it has been from more to less and you will confirm us about it.

Regards.-

[Falkemberg]

well if you say so I agree with everything... in the end I did well to buy the Asus Matrix 7970 for 290€ new two weeks ago... because they had me fed up with so much secrecy and smoke and mirrors... and when there is so much smoke something is going on. well nothing, to stay this year and next year to save up to make the jump to a 21:9 monitor... I'll get the 290X when they are at 300€ in 2015 ^^

[ELP3]

@Patagonico:

Well, we have to wait then, I'll sit down and enjoy the review, too bad I expected a lot from the R9 290X when they made the announcement (as we say pure and hard performance) but it seems that in recent days it has been going from more to less and you will confirm us about it.

Regards.

In pure and hard performance, it seems superior to the GTX 780. What happens is several things as I can observe..

Temps desmedidas..

Excessive consumption..

Constructive quality and appreciable ínifima next to the GK110..

And above all, that they are very tight by default..as there is no meter that currently does it well, I don't know if they are really at 1000Mhz or if that is their base clock and then there is the turbo.La reality, is that for now, they only go up 100MHZ and not stable, there are flickers on the screen..and logically the GTX 780 comes more relaxed and can go up much more..

If to this, you add the supposed starting price in Spain, which I can't say, but it seems to be halfway between TITAN and 780…then to me the numbers don't add up of what the hell AMD wanted to do..it reminds me enormously of the 7990..

Regards.

[Patagonico]

@ELP3:

In pure performance, it seems superior to the GTX 780. What happens is several things that I can observe..

Temps of measurements..

Excessive power consumption..

Constructive quality and workmanship is minimal compared to the GK110..

And above all, they come very tight by default..as there is no meter that currently does it well, I don't know if they are really at 1000Mhz or if that is their base clock and then there is the turbo.La reality, is that for now, they only go up 100MHZ and not stable, there are flickers on the screen..and logically the GTX 780 comes more relaxed and can go up much more..

If to this, you add the supposed starting price in Spain, which I can't say, but it seems to be halfway between TITAN and 780…then I don't get the math of what the hell AMD wanted to do..it reminds me enormously of the 7990..

Regards.

The temperatures are solvable with water cooling kits, but you have to add 100€ and it gets more expensive

•EK-FC R9-290X - 92,95€
•EK-FC R9-290X - Acetal - 94,95€
•EK-FC R9-290X - Nickel - 104,95€
•EK-FC R9-290X - Acetal+Nickel - 105,95€
•EK-FC R9-290X - Nickel (Original CSQ) - 105,95€
•EK-FC R9-290X Backplate - Black - 26,38€

the consumption in the end adds more cost over time and I think the GTX 780/Titan nvidia has worked hard on that aspect.

Just keep going and let AMD recalculate their strategy.-

Regards.

[iPEN]

What temperatures do you reach with the fan at full blast? How noisy is it?

I know it's not appropriate to have to put such an aggressive profile; but it's to know if the temps can be held in some way.

A hug

[Wargreymon]

Well ELP3, I see that in the end you couldn't resist and you ended up testing those GPUs that have given us so much to talk about. It seems that the suspicions you told me about the consumption and its consequent temperature are confirmed, what a mess.

Greetings ;).

[ELP3]

@Wargreymon:

Wow ELP3, I see that in the end you couldn't resist and you ended up trying those GPUs that have given us so much to talk about. It seems that the suspicions you told me about the consumption and its consequent temperature are confirmed, what a mess.

Regards ;).

Well yes..oli…if 2+2 are 4...and if you want it to add up to 5..then you have to add 1 more..and that's what AMD seems to have added. Giving it their all without caring about the consequences..

Anyway we'll see if tomorrow I format everything, look for other more modern drivers and if Ono's 120Megas work so I can download..because with 3, as you can understand, there's no way..

A hug.

P.D.If you put the fan to buzz, the temps go down, of course..but it's the typical AMD reactor,that to see who's the brave one who can stand it even at 50%...it seems to me, that we'll have to wait to customize them or water cool them..there's no other way.

[Jotole]

@ELP3:

Well yes..oli…if that 2+2 is 4...and if you want it to add up to 5..then you have to add 1 more..and that's what AMD seems to have added.Giving it everything they've got without considering the consequences..

Anyway, we'll see if I format everything tomorrow, look for other more modern drivers and if ONO's 120Megas work for downloading..because with 3, as you can understand, there's no way..

Best regards.

P.D.If you set the fan to hum, temps go down, of course..but it's the typical AMD reactor, that I wonder who's the brave one who can stand it even at 50%...it seems to me, that we'll have to wait to customize them or water-cool them..there's no other way.

First of all, I'm glad to "see" you......... ;).

And then thank you very much for the firsthand info as always, and for being the first to post real data about the new AMDs, we've always said that firsthand data is better, especially in expert hands.......

There were doubts about whether the temperatures seen in leaked reviews were real or not, and from what it seems they are, other high-end graphics cards that need improved cooling or RLCs.....Of course, seeing that both companies are pushing the limit it's not surprising....

I'll follow the post to see if once formatted and with other drivers things change.......

Best regards.

[Piratilla2007]

Congratulations Elpe for that CF!
The 290x like the Titan/780 reference, the quality of both if you ni fa are not the same,"AMD Turbins" as some fellow said above..One is red, and the other black hehe.

What I think matters here, and I suppose you'll agree, is the performance of these, and what they will cost. Because the issue of temperatures, it's clear that it's because of the RPM of the fans..And I suppose they will fix this through drivers/bios. And well, it would be interesting if you did a review, and compared it with a Titan (in performance)..And nothing, I don't know why you keep buying AMD, if you always complain hehe. Is there any series that you liked?

Best regards and don't take it the wrong way.

[Ruruloko]

I am very happy to read you here fellow countryman, your information is greatly appreciated. As always teaching the latest real results. Until now there were only rumors of these R9 290X but they have not been far off….

We will have to see how that CF behaves, see the lows, mediums and highs in the Benchs and above all what worries me the most about buying AMD is the famous "flickering".

Regarding the temps, I imagine that AMD will do something, because I imagine seeing these GPUs in the middle of summer at 100 Gº, which I don't know how far they can go but we will see more than one paperweight.

Of course we always have the option of mounting a water block as Patagonico commented, but what about the user who doesn't want R.L???

A hug and encouragement.

[pakitoesp]

I am very happy ELP to see you again here, I don't know why but I knew you were going to show up with something like this xDDD, well regarding the gpus I think they have gone too far, they have wanted to release them so high so as not to fall short for the 780 which first by air is going to be impossible and second they are not going to go up much as I see :facepalm:, well mate let's see if we chat some day that I haven't seen you anywhere for a while , I hope everything goes well for you a hug machine!!! ;D

[amlett]

Hello everyone

A week ago I went back to N3D after almost a year (I've become a dad and now my priorities are different) and I was wondering where the hell some of you had gone. Fortunately, thanks to chupaita's post, I found out about the existence of this forum. I hope you're all doing well

To the point. Thanks for the preview Elp3. Last week I got back into tinkering and sold a couple of 670s to a coworker thinking about getting a 780 or a 290X depending on how they turned out. Looking at the situation, the prices of the 290x and the 780 DCu2, it seems to me that unless the 780Ti comes out with a lot of improvements, I'll go for the 780D Cu2.

Regards