Test of the Real Nvidia Gtx Titan, single-sli-tri Sli, 4 WAY SLI
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I revive the thread about ELP3 and the Titans, given the new "tricks" to unlock the voltage on Nvidia graphics cards.
I'm posting a small compilation that our friend majo has made us.
ELp, it's great to see you again, I hope you've recovered from your problems. I suppose you know this, but I'll put it here just in case:
Unlock Afterburner limits on lots of cards! Titan to gtx460 with LLC
ELp, I'm really glad to hear you're doing well. There are no advantages, just ease. You can also do it another way by touching a cfg file, but in the end you get exactly the same result with the 3 methods and the one I posted is the easiest to use. With the other 2, especially the one with the cfg, if you don't remember to put it back as it was, sometimes the PC won't start, which is why the one I posted is the safest and easiest.
Alcor, some people want to raise them so much because winter is coming and they use them as heaters. You can also buy the new AMD ones that keep your lab warm without raising them.
More stuff:
[UPDATED for AB Beta 15] Fully unlocked NCP4206 Voltage / LLC mod toolZawarudoABHackV2.zip | PutLocker
To do a softmod afterburner:
For my part, I've tried one of these methods and the result is exceptional, it's always been said that these GPUs had "hidden" potential, and I think with this we've already squeezed all the juice possible.
This is a GPUZ test of mine:
Obviously I don't maintain those frequencies. 1400 MHZ…......... :ugly:, more than in that test in windowed mode. But I do benchmark up to 1320, I didn't try more.......
I play without problems at 1300, just out of curiosity I'll tell you that going from 1200 to 1300 in the new Batman with all the options maxed out and MSAA 4x, in Surround (5760 x 1080p), I gained a whopping 10 fps....... That's something.
I encourage you to try it, always under your own responsibility of course.......xD. And controlling temperatures very well....
Best regards...
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You are getting excited with the voltages, don't go too high, I am interested in knowing a safe voltage frequency to play, so that it doesn't get too hot and isn't noisy with the stock cooler. I think 1200 for gaming should already perform very well and maintain temperature, noise and a normal voltage. Best regards -
Mine are with Mod bios, "series", I have them at 1,21/1200 and flashed for a consumption of 300W. They have been like this since the first, well second day I bought them….......xD. It's been 8 months and no problems. That is, with a heart attack overclocking....
Last night I didn't go over 1,25. Precisely because of that, I don't know the limit these chips will have, and it scares me to put too much voltage on them.
A greeting
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Mine are with Mod bios, "series", I have them at 1,21/1200 and flashed for a consumption of 300W. They have been like this since the first, well second day I bought them….......xD. It's been 8 months and no problem. That is with a coil that's a heart attack....
Last night I didn't go over 1,25. Precisely because of that, I don't know the limit these chips will have, and it gives me "the creeps", to put too much voltage on them.
A greeting
Of course, in the end, there shouldn't be much difference, although at your resolution perhaps it will be more noticeable, I am satisfied with one for my resolution and if I can leave it at 1200 perfect because I gain some performance and I gain a lot in consumption, temperature and noise.
If in the end it is confirmed that the 780Ti is a Titan with 3GB and at the price of a 780 that will be the graphics card I have been waiting for since the Titan came out, although I fear it will have fewer SP than the Titan and will only have higher frequency and perhaps faster memory.
I already want to try a GK110 and more now that I see it going up more with bios without Boost and unlocking voltage.regards
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Well, with 4 graphics it doesn't work for me…:wall:
I don't know what the hell is going on but there's no way they apply any voltage..
And you see that 2 was a fairy tale..something I'm not doing right, but I don't know what...a little help would be appreciated..
Regards
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It seems that the GTX 780Ti comes in 3 and 6 GB versions according to specifications will it be compatible with the Titan? will it be possible to do an SLI I wonder with the modified bios of the Titans?
Regards.
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Well, with 4 graphics cards it doesn't work for me…:wall:
I don't know what the hell is going on but there's no way to apply any voltage..
And you see that 2 was a fairy tale..something I'm not doing right, but I don't know what...a little help would be appreciated..
Regards
I've been looking but some people have problems even with two, it seems that if any card is a different brand it may have a different phase marking and that's why it doesn't work, although I'm not sure either because my English is limited.
if I find something I'll tell you
regards
It seems that the GTX 780Ti comes in 3 and 6 GB versions according to specifications will it be compatible with the Titan? can you do an SLI I wonder with the modified bios of the Titans?.-
Regards.-
It would be a good move by Nvidia to allow SLI between Titan and 780Ti if they end up being the same specifications.
Although they would have to be the 6GB ones, I don't think there would be technical problems that couldn't be solved, just synchronizing the cards to the same clock frequency and memory, another thing is that they want to because they're not very fond of those things, but it could happen like with the 260, you could do the 192SP one and the others both 55nm and 65nm.
It's also very possible that someone will make them work by changing the bios, with bioses identical to both.
regards
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I've been searching but some people have problems even with two, it seems that if a card is a different brand it may have a different phase marking and that's why it doesn't work, although I'm not sure because my English is limited.
if I find something I'll let you know
regards
It would be a good move for Nvidia to allow SLI between Titan and 780Ti if they end up being the same specs.
Although they would have to be the 6GB ones, I don't think there are technical problems that would prevent it from being done, just synchronizing the cards to the same clock frequency and memory, another thing is that they want to because they're not very fond of those things, but the 260 thing could happen, the 192SP one could work with the others both 55nm and 65nm.
It's also very possible that someone will make them work by changing the bios, with bioses that are the same for both.
regards
That would be the idea, flashing the 2 with the same bios, although I suppose that for the 6GB model its price would be quite higher than the 3GB one.
It will be a matter of waiting for someone to try it when they are on the market, it doesn't seem unreasonable that in the end they will be some Titans with that modified bios that some users have.
and in the end the 780 Ti (OC capability) will end up giving the same result as the Titan.
regards.-
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ELp takes this program and clicks check to check that all have accepted the softmod command
UPDATED for AB Beta 15] Fully unlocked NCP4206 Voltage / LLC mod toolCheck if one by one the soft mod command is accepted
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That would be the idea to flash them at 2 with the same bios, although I suppose that for the 6GB model its price would be quite higher than the 3GB.
It will be a matter of waiting for someone to try it when they are on the market, it doesn't seem unreasonable that in the end they will be some Titans with that modified bios that some users have.
and in the end the 780 Ti (OC capacity) will end up giving the same result as the Titan.
Regards.-
From the start it must be clearly more expensive 6GB than 3, later perhaps it will go down, we see now that a 760 is about 50€ more for 4GB and the same with the 770 we should be about 75 to 100€ more, better to take as a reference the 770 of 2GB and the 4GB that seems to have memory as fast as the 780Ti.
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 OC 2GB GDDR5 GV-N770OC-2GD Graphics Card
GigaByte GeForce GTX 770 OC 4GB GDDR5 GV-N770OC-4GD Graphics CardFrom the start there may be more but if the price stabilizes it should be 100€ difference, that according to the manufacturer, although from the start it's easy to be more.
But the 780Ti will last the same as the Titan even that the 780, they should give the same result and more with the OC, that is, one will pull a little more than the other and so there should be little difference.
regards
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Well...I finally got it...it's the strangest thing I've ever seen.
ALL the ones I have accept the command ri3,20,99, but however, in the MSI settings I can't put the values corresponding to this. Instead, it has to be ri4,20,99...curious at least.
This that I put is nonsense simply for the pleasure of doing it. But it's not convenient, even less so with stock depletion, nor with 4 together...but well, I've fixed it. Just like the S.O in which I did it, it's the first one in which I had the 290X without the system cleaned, the one with Raid 0, because to mess with the voltage, if I soiled any registry I preferred it to be in this one.
Here it is:
As I say it's a result that can be improved at those frequencies, because I think the phases have suffered a lot and the performance has decreased in the last stretch. But I wasn't in benchmark mode, but in testing...and as an anecdote, it's not bad at all to have 4 TITAN at 1300MHZ…for the first time, I'm seriously considering putting RL on the 4, because these are going to be with me for a VERY long time.
Here it is all passed with a point less of voltage, and indeed, it went a little better…remember that it's a Haswell at 4,6GHZ...4 cores, the final score is very affected by the CPU.No part so the GPU part, which I'm sure is a little better than on X79 boards.
What do you advise me for this, Jotole, since you're good at water...;)
Best regards.
P.D.La temp of the afterburner is not the one of the test, it's the real one of that moment, I had it closed and I opened it afterwards.
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Hello!
Thanks Jotele for unlocking the bios and increasing the voltage.
For now I'm still using the stock bios and with the EvgaPrecision I've increased:
Power Target 106%
Gpu Clock +126
Mem Clock +100I'm thinking of buying a second Titan for 900€ an Evga to put a block on it for R.L
What do you recommend me to wait for the new 780Ti to be compatible for Sli? Or do I wait or buy the second Titan already since the day of release they have hardly decreased
Regards
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Nvidia has never made anything compatible with anything other than the exact same graphics card.
And for many reasons I think it will stay the same.
1. Because we don't know if it will really be a GK110 TITAN, or also called a cut K-20X.
2. Because even if it were the TITAN chip, they would never be the same, since they wouldn't have the same VRAM (in Nvidia, if there isn't the same VRAM even if it's the same graphics card, there's no SLI) and second, because it would have the dp cut.
That is to say, I am almost 99% sure that TITAN will only be compatible with TITAN.
If they learned from AMD in this, they would gain quite a few followers by letting chips from the same ranges pair up. But Nvidia is Nvidia, for better or for worse.
Regards.
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Thanks for your great clarification, doubt solved.
I want to set up Sli and that now with just one I can do everything!! In surround resolution I must lower some filters in some games.
I want to set up Sli to forget about changing my pc in 2-3 years and play in High or Ultra.
The bad thing that I think about and don't know is if I will have in the future with Sli the damn throttling and micro stuttering that I suffered with Sli Gtx 480Many thanks for your great help Cracks!
Regards
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By the way, does anyone know how to see the temps of the VRM on the TITAN/GTX780? The new GPU-Z says it supports it, but it's not true, and HWB doesn't either..and it's very important if you're going to use this bios mod..
Regards.
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Buenas!
Gracias Jotele por lo del desbloqueo de bios y subida de voltage.
De momento sigo con la bios de serie y con el EvgaPrecision e subido:
Power Target 106%
Gpu Clock +126
Mem Clock +100Estoy pensando de comprar la segunda Titan por 900€ una Evga para ponerle un bloque para R.L
Que me recomendais a que me espere a las nuevas 780Ti seran compatible para Sli? O me espero o compro ya la segunda Titan desde el dia de salida casi no han bajado
Saludos
Yo solo he recopilado la info que ha dejado majo, el ha sido el que nos ha puesto en aviso…....... ;).
Me extrañaría mucho que la 780ti, se pudiese poner en SLI con una Titan, tal vez como han comentado flasheandola con una bios de una titan se pueda hacer, pero "a pelo", sería la primera vez que Nvidia permitiera algo así.
Salu2...
Bueno..por fin lo conseguí..es la cosa mas extraña que he visto nunca.
TODAS las que tengo,aceptan el comando ri3,20,99,pero sin embargo,en setting del MSI no puedo poner los valores correspondientes a este.Sino que tiene que ser al ri4,20,99..curioso cuando menos.
Esto que pongo,es una barrabasada simplemente por el gustazo de hacerlo.Pero ni es conveniente,menos aún con dispación de stock,ni tampoco con 4 juntas..pero bueno,me las he arreglado.Al igual que el S.O en el que lo he hecho,es el primerizo en el que tuve las 290X sin el sistema limpio,el de los Raid 0,porque para trastear lo del voltaje,si ensuciaba algún registro prefería que fuera en este.
Aquí está:
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Como digo es un resultado mejorable a esas frecuencias,pues creo que las fases han sufrido mucho y ha bajado el rendimiento en el último tramo.Pero no estaba en modo bencheo,sino de pruebas..y como anécdota,no está nada mal tener 4 TITAN a 1300MHZ…por primera vez,me estoy planteando muy seriamente poner RL a las 4,porque estas ván a estar MUCHO tiempo conmigo.
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Aquí pasado entero con un punto menos de voltaje,y efectivamente,ha ido un pelín mejor…recordar que es un Haswell a 4,6GHZ...4 núcleos,la puntuación final se vé muy afectada por la parte CPU.No así la de GPU,que estoy seguro,que es un pelín mejor que sobre placas X79.
Qué me aconsejas para esto,Jotole,ya que ti el agua se te dá bien..;)
Un saludo.
P.D.La temp del afterburner no es la del test,es la real de ese momento,lo tenía cerrado y lo abrí a posteriori.
Lo que te ha pasado con el desbloqueo se avisa en el las instrucciones del cmd, lo que me extraña a mí es que unas sean diferentes de otras…
Por fabricante no es, yo tengo una Gigabyte y la Otra Evga, algo más debe entrar en la ecuación...
Pero me alegro de que hayas dado con la tecla...
Sobre pasarlas por agua, ahora mas que nunca es mas que recomendable. Subirlas tanto de voltaje por aire, lo veo bien para un bench, pero para mantenerla a raya jugando lo veo inviable....
Para pasarlas por agua yo las tengo con bloques Koolance, a mí me van muy bien no me puedo quejar, tanto estéticamente como a nivel de rendimiento, mira la captura que he puesto antes a 1400, y estuvo así unos minutos.
Habitualmente jugando rara vez las veo pasar de 35 grados. Con 4 GPU´s vas a tener mucha restricción yo metería dos bombas D5, en serie como las tengo yo, para meter mas presión y caudal al circuito.Radiador depende del sitio que tengas, si estan en la bench table, no tendrás problema de sitio, yo metería un cuadruple con ventis de 14, algo mo un HARDWARE LABS BLACK ICE SR1 560, pero quien te puede hablar bien de ellos es Praimus, tiene 2.
Depo a gusto.... ;).
Te mando en MP enlaces de ellos de una tienda, que ya me han dado los toques por poner enlaces, diciendome que era spam.
Un Saludo..
Por cierto,alguien sabe como se puede ver las temps de los VRM en las TITAN/GTX780? el GPU-Z nuevo dice dar soporte,pero no es verdad,y el HWB tampoco..y es muy importante si se vá a utilizar este mod bios..
Saludos.
Acabo de llegar a casa y no me he bajado al equipo de juegos, mañana busco a ver si se puede ver, porque la verdad es que es mas que interesante tener eso vigilado.
Lo de las temps de los VRM, me ha recordado una charla que tuvimos creo que en un hilo, sobre que bloques de rl, los disipaba y cuales nó y además disipaban los Inductores (R22) de los VRM
Creo que al final no quedo nada claro sobre si los aquacomputer, disipaban eso o no, o los EK. Majo tiene los EK, a ver si nos puede informar de primera mano y refrescarnos la memoria sobre ese tema.
Por mi parte le hice una "ñapa" a mis bloques, para poder disipar esa zona, para que no quede al aire libre, es decir, no viene contemplada en ellos, pero si que trae el hueco para los vrm, los Inductores (R22) de los VRM
Bien, en la zona que van esas zonas sensibles, puse almohadillas termicas como en las memorias, del grosor suficiente para que hicieran contacto sin llegar a pasarme. De esa manera las tengo disipadas con el bloque, y no por aire que es como se hubieran quedado.
A ver si mañana encuentro lo de las temps de los VRM,
Un Saludo…
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Regarding the SLi titan with gtx 780ti, it is not descartable at the moment and I cannot say more for now. I know that work is being done on drivers for its compatibility, whether or not they will release them in the end cannot be confirmed today, as if they scan the titanes, they will be considered dead. What is being worked on is that in SLi, the load does not dominate equally on both CPUs, nor does it force the faster one to match the speed of the slower one, so that what is demanded of each one is based on other parameters that are not speed, but rather temperature and, based on that, the load. In fact, the latest drivers already incorporate some of this, well, the last 2 versions of drivers, although this topic is not very polished yet, but it will surely be refined. Xenso, if you want to increase performance a bit, you can put the BIOS of the hydrocooper, which increases performance a bit and is acceptable for air. Moreover, it has a higher Texture Fill Rate than the rest, since the normal ones have 196.2 GT/s and the hydrocoper ones have 219.5 GT/s, due to the higher speed of the core. I had all 4 of mine with this BIOS and they worked very well. That is, I had them with water. Now I only have 2 because 2 are enough for what I use and I have them with this BIOS without problems
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Hello!
Thanks Jotele for unlocking the bios and increasing the voltage.
For now I'm still using the stock bios and with the EvgaPrecision I've increased:
Power Target 106%
Gpu Clock +126
Mem Clock +100I'm thinking of buying a second Titan for 900€ an Evga one to put a block on it for R.L
What do you recommend, should I wait for the new 780Ti to be compatible for Sli? Or should I wait or buy the second Titan right away since the release day they have hardly decreased
Regards
If I were you, I would wait for the release of the 780Ti and maybe the Titan will drop in price a bit, if it doesn't, it will be more possible to find a second-hand one, some gadget seller might give you a Titan for a 780Ti although I don't see the point, because in performance they should be very similar at the same frequency and I don't think the 780Ti will do miracles with the OC.
But the 780Ti should make the prices of Titan and 780 adjust a bit, the Titan has dropped very little since the release day but with another card from the brand that performs better, they will have to adjust the prices a bit, not much but something.
regards
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Hello fellow users.
Majo's information is very interesting, I will look into it when I have some time. I saw that Elp3 increased the vcore to 1.3v, it's clear that it's just for testing, but how far would that be acceptable for our GK110??? Knowing myself, I could set it to the same voltage for 24/7 :facepalm: don't show me these things :wall:.
Thanks to all for the info.
Regards.
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Hello, friends.
Majo's information is very interesting, I'll look into it when I have some time. I saw that Elp3 increased the vcore to 1.3v, it's clear that it's just for testing, but how acceptable would that be for our GK110??? Knowing myself, I'm capable of setting it to the same voltage for 24/7 :facepalm: don't show me these things :wall:
Thanks to everyone for the info.
Best regards.
According to the dissipation, with RL it might be possible to increase it a bit more, the important thing is to cool the VRMs well, for air cooling it's not recommended to go over 1.25v, maybe it's possible to benchmark at 1.29v, but gaming is different.
The problem is not the core temperature, it's the VRMs that will heat up a lot more, for example the MSI custom 780s that have many phases can probably handle more and with RL if the VRMs maintain a better temperature it would be possible to put a little more, but it all depends on how hot the VRMs get.
These should be able to handle more voltage, they come prepared for extreme OC but the Titans are reference models and will handle less.
http://videocardz.com/45493/msi-geforce-gtx-780-lightning-launch-gallery
best regards
