Battle of the titans "780 ti Vs 290x" first results.
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Good graphics, although honestly I expected more for less. Although of course, you can't ask for pears from an elm tree (nvidia) for them it must have been a very strong decision to stop selling GTX 780 from 550 to 370€ and Titans at 1000€..that's the good thing about competition.Even if it's fictional, because seriously, the R9 has so many problems in everything, that for now it's not a competitor to anything..but look, it has lowered prices which is what matters..
I, having the TITANs unlocked, won't even bother..it would have to be a debacle for me to comprara.La VRAM, although I don't see a disadvantage, 3GB is more than necessary because you run out sooner if you don't have it, nor do they seem to be excessive compared to the 6GB of TITAN and I who have 4, I could notice something in the future..
What I would like to see is those TI under water and with the mod, they will surely blow at 1400MHZ..let's go, they will sweep everything with that V02 chip they have..
Regarding Juanjo…we all know what he's up to, don't pay attention..you'll catch a lame man before a liar.I hope Krampak takes note that the problem isn't the way, but the bad atmosphere...
Best regards.
Well if there's competition I think there's little, some already have problems maintaining the frequency as standard, in summer it's going to be even worse, they will have to improve a lot the custom ones and OC looks difficult, that's why in some reviews the 290 is seen to perform better than the 290X, maybe it needs a little less voltage and can maintain the frequencies better, although I suppose that if some 290x lower frequency the same will happen with some 290.
For example my 780 says a boost of 1006 and it goes alone to 1124mhz, just as it comes from the factory and I didn't see it go below that in any game that keeps it at a high load, that's why I think those graphics will have to spend a lot on PCB and components and especially on dissipation, because in summer it can be worse.
TR Forums • View topic - So much for 290x's claimed "1GHz"…
although it's true that the market has gotten better since they came out, but they have work ahead to ensure the frequency.
regards
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I think it's a monumental mistake to release them with 3GB and at 670 euros.
Nowadays this graphic doesn't make any sense, with the 780 for almost 300€ less. If it had been with 6GB I would still consider it; but I certainly won't pay for a few more frames and continue having buffer saturation problems with MSAA above 2X or supersampling.
When the Black Edition with 6GB comes out I'll think about it.
Best regards
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1. About copying, the only thing I've done is put the links and I've changed what I believed, since nothing was commented here, so I put it.
Here, other gentlemen have also put copy from n3d and nobody has said anything to them, of course because they say what everyone wants to hear.
2. About what you've commented ELP3, I never believed what they said about you in n3d and I entered this forum to know from your hand the performance of the r9s.
3. Never at any time have I brought comments from this forum to n3d.
But here there are people who do bring them from n3d here to laugh at people.
As you said from your mouth in n3d they are some talibans and you can't speak badly of amd…..no no no.
Where you can't say anything about nvidia is here and where there are more talibans is here.
I laugh at how impartial you are, just look at how you've all jumped on me.
It's that I feel embarrassed for people who try to deceive others and deceive themselves by saying they are impartial.
If Krampak thinks he has to ban me from the forum he will, but until today I have not disrespected in this forum and here they keep disrespecting me.
But well, with not entering the threads where the talibans of nvidia are, I have enough.
Don't bother to answer, it's that I don't bother to read anything else in this post, already with what I've read I have enough to see what the movie is about.
ELP3 you knew how the r9s worked, you just tested them to demonstrate your pro nvidia fanaticism and laugh at amd... period.
Greetings champions.
PD: I already know why they comment what they do in n3d, it doesn't surprise me that you don't want to enter or they don't let you.Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 2
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To me it seems like a monumental mistake that they're releasing it with 3GB and for 670 euros.
Nowadays this card doesn't make any sense, with the 780 being almost 300€ cheaper. If it had been with 6GB I'd still consider it; but I'm not sure I want to get a few more frames and continue having buffer saturation problems with MSAA above 2X or supersampling.
When the Black Edition with 6GB comes out I'll think about it.
Best regards
Pen, honestly and you know this with all due respect I think we processed it a while ago. In an SLI like yours, it doesn't matter if it's 3, 6, or 12GB... what matters is power. And NO current card has enough power on its own to exhaust its VRAM before its power.
It would take a very specific game, with a lot of SSAA and very high resolutions, for OUCH! 4 cards at once (4 way sli, Quad CF etc) to run out of VRAM before running out of power.
Don't trust VRAM meters. None of them are reliable and they only take the "allowed" surplus.
The TI black of 6GB, I repeat that I'm almost certain it's the new TITAN Ultra at 1000€
Hugs.
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I don't know who said it or what it would be, but at Nvidia it's not even in the project, nor is the Ultra, as far as I know. The TI with unlocked BIOS can reach 490W a bit long, almost 500W. I base this on the fact that the phases they carry are prepared up to that figure in a reliable way
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Pen, sincerely and you know it from the respect that I think we processed a long time ago. In an SLI like yours, it exactly doesn't matter if it's 3, 6, or 12GB... what matters is the power. And NONE of the current graphics cards have enough power by themselves to exhaust their VRAM before their power.
It would take a very specific game, with a lot of SSAA and very high resolutions, for OJO! 4 graphics cards at once (4 way sli, Quad CF etc) to run out of VRAM before running out of power.
Don't trust the VRAM meters. None of them are reliable and they only take the "allowed" surplus.
The TI black of 6GB, I repeat that I'm almost sure it's the new TITAN Ultra at €1000
A hug.
Hello fellow.
I have no doubt that this is the case in single monitor configurations.
For a while now I have a multi monitor setup of 3 DELL U2412M of 1920x1200 for a total of 5760x1200 in Surround (5960x1200 with Bezel Correction).
I can assure you that in all the tests I have done, which are not few, it is impossible to reach the maximum level of filters with my current SLI of GTX 780 because of its 3GB of VRAM.
As soon as you go above MSAA 2X it starts to crash which is a pleasure (some games can handle 4X but they are the exception). In some games especially tough with VRAM (Like Hitman), it's not that it stutters because of buffer saturation, it's that I have even had an exception of "out of memory" in the driver.
If I don't use MSAA, and monitoring the VRAM consumption, I almost always go above 2800MB in all the top games (BF4, Metro LL, Crysis 3), which makes me think that in the near future I will be short even without filters.
I know from other companions who use Surround (Like Ruruloko) that the use of VRAM with all the filters sometimes reaches 5GB.
This is my experience. As I tell you.
A hug
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I don't know who said it or what it would be, but the TI Black isn't in Nvidia's plans, nor is the Ultra, as far as I know. The TIs with unlocked BIOS can reach 490W a bit long, almost 500W. I base this on the fact that the phases they carry are prepared up to that figure in a reliable way
I believe it..it's the only way Nvidia can once again charge €1000
http://videocardz.com/47530/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-also-special-edition
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I do believe it..it's the only way for Nvidia to once again price it at 1000€
http://videocardz.com/47530/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-also-special-edition
Honestly I hope they don't price it at 1000€, although seeing how they've gone up the wall with these Ti, who knows.
Best regards
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Hello friend.
I have no doubt that this is the case in single monitor configurations.
For some time now, I have had a multi-monitor setup of 3 DELL U2412M monitors with a resolution of 1920x1200 for a total of 5760x1200 in Surround (5960x1200 with Bezel Correction).
I can assure you that in all the tests I have done, which are not few, it is impossible to reach the maximum level of filters with my current SLI of GTX 780 because of its 3GB of VRAM.
As soon as you go above MSAA 2X, it starts to crash which is great fun (some games can handle 4X but they are the exception). In some games that are especially tough on VRAM (like Hitman), it's not that it stutters due to buffer saturation, it's that I have even had a "out of memory" exception in the driver.
If I don't use MSAA, and monitoring the VRAM consumption, I almost always go above 2800MB in all the top games (BF4, Metro LL, Crysis 3), which makes me think that in the near future I will be short even without filters.
I know from other friends who use Surround (like Ruruloko) that the use of VRAM with all the filters sometimes reaches 5GB.
This is my experience. As I tell it to you.
Best regards
I also have surround..
In Hitman this happens even with TITAN and 290X…it's a bug in the game if you abuse MSAA.
SSAA is impossible to apply, not for lack of VRAM, framebuffer, or anything...it's simply because it multiplies your resolution by 2 or 4 whatever you put. And an SLI of GTX 780 doesn't have the power for that.
Neither Metro nor Crysis 3, reach to spend more than 2 GB of real VRAM at 1600p with everything maxed out and 8XMSAA..everything else that MSI puts on you is "allowed" memory...what they can't do is your graphics with such a waste of power that you're asking them.
I was monitoring the other day the use of a real 4K with Tomb Raider and 4SSAA, and it never exceeded 2700mb...and NOTE, because there were 4 graphics that allowed to have almost 60 stable fps..there the MSI measured more or less well.
You are confusing bugs, lack of power and other things, with VRAM...with an SLI of GTX 780, you are stuck with power before applying large amounts of filters than Vram.Si I would talk to you about a 4 Way maybe..but with 2, not a chance..
And Ruroloko has TITAN, that's why it reaches to mark 5GB of VRAM on Afterburner, which marks almost the one the graphics card has.
It is impossible for any meter to measure the VRAM of win7..it doesn't exist...they are only estimations, and besides it is very recommended to remove the Aero in these cases.
Best regards.
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I also have surround..
In Hitman that happens even with TITAN and 290X…it's a game bug if you abuse MSAA.
SSAA is impossible to apply, not for lack of Vram, not framebuffer, not a damn thing...it's simply because it's multiplying your resolution by 2 or 4 whatever you put in.And an SLI of GTX 780 doesn't have the power for that.
Not even metro, not Crysis 3, they can spend more than 2 GB of real Vram at 1600p with everything maxed out and 8XMSAA..everything else that MSI puts on you is "allowed" memory...what they can't do is your graphics with such a waste of power that you're asking for.
I was the other day monitoring the use of a real 4K with Tomb Raider and 4SSAA,and it never exceeded 2700mb...and WATCH IT,because there were 4 graphics that allowed for almost 60 stable fps..there MSI measured pretty well.
You're confusing bugs, lack of power and other things, with Vram...with an SLI of GTX 780,you get stuck before if power when applying large amounts of filters than Vram.Si you were talking to me about a 4 Way maybe..but with 2,not a chance..
And Ruroloko has TITAN,that's why it can mark 5GB of Vram on afterburner,which marks almost the one the graphics has.
It's impossible for any meter to measure the Vram of win7..it doesn't exist...they are just estimations,and besides it's highly recommended to remove aero in these cases.
Hugs.
So according to your experience, how can I solve my problem? With a 3 Way?
First thing is to throw my micro in the trash, but I'm in love with the new Rampage IV Black Edition, and it doesn't want to come out of the damn thing. I know you're not a big fan of LGA2011, but I want a hexacore micro.
Then I'll consider boosting the graphics part.
Hugs
PD: Look, I'm talking about a problem when it's not one, playing everything maxed out without MSAA through the roof is a blast; but I want that extra point.
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So according to your experience, how can I solve my problem? With a 3 Way?
First thing is to throw my micro in the trash, but I'm in love with the new Rampage IV Black Edition, and it doesn't want to come out of the damn thing. I know you're not a big fan of LGA2011, but I want a hexacore micro.
Then I'll consider boosting the graphics part.
A hug
PD: Look, I'm talking about a problem when it's not really one, playing everything at full blast without MSAA turned up to the max is a joy; but I want that extra something.
I would listen to what ELP3 says about you having more of a problem with a lack of power to be able to move that super-resolution with MSAA than a real problem with a lack of VRAM, and I'm not just saying that because he has experience with these configurations, but because the tests in 4K (with a similar weight to your monitor configuration in pixels to move) carried out throughout reviews support him if interpreted correctly.
Here it is seen, in these tests, that the GTX 780 or Ti don't seem to be "affected" especially against the 290/X, yes in some specific cases it seems that the latest ones have a bit more muscle (they gain ground, this doesn't necessarily mean they beat the TI), but I'm basically 100% sure that this is due to the potential of the ROPs of Hawaii in games that are highly dependent on their work, not to the extra VRAM.
To reach this conclusion I have taken into account these factors:
1.- Comparative performance between 780 and Ti vs Titan at 4K, there is no apparent loss of performance when using 3 GB instead of 6 GB.
2.- Comparative performance between the GK110 and the Hawaii, in most cases there are no differences because of the resolution itself, and in cases where there does seem to be a difference, the Titan also seems to lose "oomph" (I insist that this doesn't imply any "defeat", although there may be some cases, but simply that sometimes the advantages or equalities are lost), ergo there is no relationship between the amount of VRAM and performance, or rather, there is no direct relationship between current games even with super configurations like this and whether a graphic has 3, 4 or 6 GB of VRAM.
Long before VRAM runs out, muscle usually runs out, look precisely at tomb what happens even using FXAA:
And here with an SLI:
There isn't enough muscle to move this game with SSAA activated, as it implies doubling or quadrupling the total pixels to render, and with 1200px3 you slightly exceed the number of pixels of 4K. Note that they have also disabled TressFX for this test (which also consumes a lot of VRAM by itself, but consumes even more power than VRAM), but it's just that, quite simply, an SLI of 2 ways with GK110s or Hawaiis in 4K with this game is barely enough. In your case, the same applies. 3 ways could give you an extra, but I don't know if it would be enough, to be honest. To play with FXAA and with TressFX activated, perhaps, but not to add SSAA on top of that. This game and those resolutions, nothing current moves them like that, but not because of the amount of VRAM, but because of the lack of power.
Q: Ambition gets the better of you, look that with that tremendous resolution and you still want more... :llorar:
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Well, just that Tomb Raider doesn't go too bad for me with SSAA (as you can see, the graphics are without any OC in these tests):
Tomb Raider 5760x1200 - 2xSAA - 16xAF - Ultra settings - TressFX Hair
Tomb Raider 5760x1200 - FXAA - 16xAF - Ultra settings - TressFX Hair
**Tomb Raider 5760x1200 - 16xAF - Ultra settings - Normal Hair
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Although ELP is very right that one thing is the benches and another very different is to really play.
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Well, just that Tomb Raider doesn't go too bad for me with SSAA (As you can see, the graphics are without any OC in these tests):
Tomb Raider 5760x1200 - 2xSAA - 16xAF - Ultra settings - TressFX Hair
Tomb Raider 5760x1200 - FXAA - 16xAF - Ultra settings - TressFX Hair
**Tomb Raider 5760x1200 - 16xAF - Ultra settings - Normal Hair
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Although ELP is very right that one thing is benchmarks and another very different is to really play.
Best regards
Yeah, but this game specifically if it doesn't go above 50 fps you notice, not by jumps but not perfectly fluid, it has to be above that rate to give a full experience.
That's not to mention that, what is the integrated benchmark, has little or nothing to do with the real experience in the game, which unfortunately usually has areas of worse performance than the benchmark.
Regards.
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1. Lo de copiar creo lo único que e puestos es los enlaces y he cambiado lo que yo creía, como aquí no se comentó nada pues lo puse.
Aquí mas señores también a puesto copy de n3d y nadie le a dicho nada, claro por que ellos dicen lo que todos queréis escuchar.
2.Sobre lo que has comentado ELP3, yo nunca creí lo que decían de ti en n3d y entre en este foro para conocer de tu mano el rendimiento de las r9.
3**.Nunca en ningún momento he llevado comentarios de este foro a n3d.**
Pero aquí hay gente que si los trae de n3d aquí para reírse de la gente.
Como tu dijiste de tu boca en n3d son unos talibanes y no se puede hablar mal de amd…..no no no.
Donde no se puede decir nada de nvidia es aquí y donde hay más talibanes es aquí.
Me rio yo de lo imparciales que sois, si solo hay que ver como se me habéis lanzado al cuello.
Es que me da vergüenza ajena de ver gente que trata de engañar a los demás y se engañan a ellos mismos diciendo que son imparciales.
Si Krampak cree que me tiene que banear del foro pues lo hará, pero hasta hoy no he faltado el respeto en este foro y aquí no dejan de faltarmelo.
Pero bueno con no entrar en los hilos donde están los talibanes de nvidia me sobra.
No molestarse en contestar, que es que paso de leer más nada en este poss, ya con lo que he leído tengo que me sobra para ver de que va la película.
ELP3 sabias de sobra como funcionaban las r9, solo las probaste para demostrar tu fanatismo pro nvidia y reírte de amd…punto y final.
Saludos campeones.
PD: ya se por que comentan lo que comentan en n3d, no me estraña que no quieras entrar o no te dejen.Enviado desde mi GT-N7100 usando Tapatalk 2
No te iba a contestar, como hicieron los otros, pero lo voy a hacer, y de una forma fácil y que no implicará que YO me ensucie con la mierda que pretendes llevar entre foros, sólo citándote a ti y descubriendo tu culo ante los demás, tu falsedad y falta total de sinceridad:
http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=420213&p=4992424&viewfull=1#post4992424
Normal que a elp3 lo tachen de partidista de nvidia, y no a el si no a muchos mas de hartlimit que esta de sus ….si amo....si eres el mejor....si tienes toda la verdad.
Hoy puse un enlace en este foro de talibanes de nvidia......que ellos dicen que n3d es un foro de talibanes de amd sisi eso dicen.......puse las temperaturas, precio y rendimiento de TI respecto a la r9 290 y a la 780.
Se me tiraron al cuello literalmente y cada vez que comentaba algo de amd igual.
Lo dicho elp3 y compañía,talibanes pro nvidia, y de sus espias en este foro, que se lo digan que se que están recopilando comentarios para los talivanvidia.
Pero si se ve a leguas que elp3 se compro las r9 solo para criticar amd y después adorar a sus 3 titan, anda hombre que se les ve el plumero a un kilómetro.
No entro mas en talibania ni loco, por lo menos en los hilos de nvidia.
Por lo menos aquí en n3d puedes hablar, y después dicen allí que somos talibanes de ams y ellos son muy imparciales jejejejejejejejejejejejejejejejejejeejjeje me parto toda enteraEl problema es que te crees que la gente de aquí no lee N3D o no sabe de los comentarios que has hecho por esos lares antes de pasear por acá, el problema está en que pienses que nos chupamos el dedo, estás buscando meter gresca entre foros y has venido a este foro y a este hilo concreto sólo a molestar, en cuanto te enteraste que ELP3 estaba gastando su tiempo en un hilo dedicado a una prueba de las 290X en crossfire.
No has venido con buenas intenciones y eso es obvio, también que no eres nada maduro para gastar esos 40 y pico tacos que dices tener. No añado más, pero no es de recibo nada de lo que estás haciendo, aquí entra el que quiere, pero…. para convivir, no para putear a los demás. Y putear, has puteado tú mucho a unos cuantos entre foros y marujeando de un lado a otro, hasta algún aviso te han dado en N3D por esta actitud que estás teniendo.
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Ostia what good and what a steal jajajaja.When ELPE finds out he will scold him with a 290x making a mark with its 98 degrees temperature xD.
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So according to your experience, how can I solve my problem? With a 3 Way?
First thing is to throw my micro in the trash, but I'm in love with the new Rampage IV Black Edition, and it doesn't want to come out of the damn thing. I know you're not a big fan of LGA2011, but I want a hexacore micro.
Then I'll consider boosting the graphics part.
A hug
PD: Look, I'm talking about a problem when it's not such a big deal, playing everything at full blast without MSAA through the roof is a joy; but I want that extra touch.
If you want a hexacore, wait for haswell-E, it shouldn't be long now, it just doesn't make sense to have 2011 without an X89, everything they put on the X79 will just be patches, Haswell-E should already be on par with Intel's new architecture, the X79 is an SB, that is, like a P67 or a z68.
It looks like Intel is abandoning that platform and that's why they're not even releasing an X89, with Haswell_E they'll surely move to the X99 and will have native sata, USB3, Pcie3, all native, now X79 even though it works with Pcie3, Intel only guarantees you Pcie2.
Anyway, Haswell-E will be the first with DDR4, I don't think it will be worth the price, the shame is that they don't put a 6 core in the 1150 socket, because then few would buy that 2011-3, nor will that X79 be compatible with Haswell_E processors, Intel's monopoly stinks, if there was competition we would advance more and wouldn't separate the platforms so much, nor would they hoard processors.P.D.Juanjo I put a negative on you for being a hypocrite, this way the world is then everyone pitted against everyone else.
regards
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The most prudent thing to do would be to wait for the maxwell, don't get your head blown off (it seems that these could come with 5GB).
Don't get your head blown off over the hexacore either, wait for X99 and 8 cores, maybe there will even be a motherboard that supports DDR3 / DDR4 simultaneously.
Regards.
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The thing with the RIV BE and the 4930K is decided; I know it's an old platform; but I want to tinker; and test for myself the performance difference between 4 and 6 cores. Haswell E has almost a year left; that's a lot of time :). Next year we will upgrade again if we can. Regarding the graphics; well, I don't know. I'll see. Thanks a lot guys. Best regards -
The RIV BE and 4930K thing is decided; I know it's an old platform; but I want to tinker; and test for myself the performance difference between 4 and 6 cores.
Haswell E still has almost a year left; that's a lot of time :). Next year we'll upgrade again if we can.
Regarding the graphics; well, I don't know. I'll see.
Thanks a lot guys.
Best regards
I wouldn't do it..X79 isn't worth it in terms of cost or performance, at least until X89 arrives.
If you really want to tinker, it's more worth it to get an Ivy or a Haswell despite their disaster of temps, as they perform better right now in games, it's a native 3.0 platform and above all, much cheaper.
As for being able to put filters on surround, either you get another gtx 780 or forget it...and you can't even put SSAA with 3...with an MSAA X4 and fluid it would already be quite a lot...
Best regards
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I do believe it..it's the only way for Nvidia to once again price it at 1000€
http://videocardz.com/47530/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-also-special-edition
That card will be released at the end of December with the 6GB memory with a price increase of 175 dollars and that's as far as it will go, no further, they won't release a 12GB version as rumored. And the next thing will be the new series, time will tell
