DDR4 for next month

[cobito]

Almost late, the first DDR4 memory modules will start to be marketed next month.

The specifications were already discussed here more than a year ago.

Its main features are:
· 1.2V power supply
· Double the speed of DDR3
· Triple the memory density of DDR3

As already said, there will be 16 Gb modules, which today is not so spectacular but will exceed the 8 Gb per module that DDR3 allows.

According to this entry, Intel will adopt DDR4 with Skylake. Considering that Broadwell (the microarchitecture prior to Skylake and successor to Haswell) will be released in 2015, it is not very clear when Intel will adopt DDR4 in any domestic platform.

On the other hand, as we saw here, Intel will market Haswell-E (the top of the range for desktop computers) with DDR4.

There is nothing confirmed about AMD, so everything seems to indicate that either Intel changes its plans for Broadwell and AMD announces a new product soon, or it will be a long time before DDR4 is implemented in non-extreme equipment.

More information here

[Kernel1.0]

My PC has suddenly become so old. http://hardzone.es/2013/09/11/intel-muestra-un-equipo-haswell-e-con-32gb-de-memoria-ddr4/
Quad-channel memory is a pain.

[Sylver]

Forced obsolescence… I think more than one of us has been filled with the false fear that DDR4 will quickly become the standard and our DDR3 will become the new DDR2 on the market... :ugly:

[Yorus]

The topic of memory seems to be the bag. I remember when I bought 2Gb of DDR2 for my E5300 that were very cheap, and when I wanted to expand to 4Gb they had a big price increase due to moves in Taiwan. With the i3 Sandy it was not the same, I bought 8Gb DDR3 right away because they cost me little more than 40€, and now they are over 70.

[fjavi]

@Sylver:

Obsolescence at a forced pace… I think that more than one of us has been given the false fear that DDR4 will quickly become the standard and our DDR3 will become the new DDR2 in the market... :ugly:

It is very unlikely that it will become the standard quickly, first because it will be very expensive and second because there is a lack of platform that support it, if it is only going to be Haswell-E at least two or three years must pass for it to become the standard, until they release performance platforms and they are at a good price, I suppose that when z97 and the lower models come out.

It will also help if AMD launches platforms with ddr4, but I don't see the point since they are platforms that seek to maintain low prices, that memory will make buying any equipment more expensive.

regards

[Sylver]

@fjavi:

It is very difficult for it to be standardized quickly, first because it will be very expensive and second because of the lack of platform that support it, if it is only going to be Haswell-E at least two or three years must pass for it to be standardized, until they release performance platforms and they are at a good price, I suppose that when z97 and the lower models come out.

It will also help if AMD launches platforms with DDR4, but I don't see the point since they are platforms that seek to maintain low prices, that memory will make it more expensive to buy any equipment.

regards

It is enough that manufacturers decide to manufacture exclusively boards with support for DDR4 for DDR3 to start disappearing. If that makes the equipment more expensive, they really don't care, they manufacture and the customer will buy what is available, in ascending order.

Regards

[Javisoft]

At the speed at which Intel and AMD are releasing hardware, DDR4 will take a short time to standardize, but it will take a long time to lower prices, unless they start releasing chipsets and motherboards like crazy XD.

[Sylver]

@Javisoft:

At the speed at which intel and amd are releasing hardware, ddr4 will take a while to standardize, but it won't drop in price much, unless they start releasing chipsets and motherboards like crazy XD.

+1

Price matters little to them, if they can standardize it, they will make more profit, none of them will like to be left behind.

Regards

[fjavi]

@Sylver:

Manufacturers just need to start making motherboards with DDR4 support exclusively for DDR3 to start disappearing. If that makes equipment more expensive, they don't really care, they manufacture and the customer will buy whatever is available, in ascending order.

Regards

But for now, only Haswel-E is supposed to support DDR4 and I don't think it will be a mainstream platform. We've already seen that with memory, they make excuses to raise prices and we see DDR3 as expensive, but I don't think Haswell and Ivy platforms will disappear soon, nor FM2 and AM3+, because you can hold out for two or three years with them, even more in the case of Intel.

So I don't think DDR4 will be mainstream until in a couple of years, even more, and at first, if DDR4 is very expensive, it won't sell very well, as already happened with DDR2 or DDR3, it must take time and lower prices until people start to take it more into account.

Regards

[Javisoft]

Well, seeing how the titan have sold …. I think it depends on the performance of the platform, because there are really a lot of people with money to spend 2500 bucks on micro-motherboard-memory-graphics.
Best regards.

[fjavi]

@Javisoft:

Well, seeing how the Titans have sold... I think it depends on the performance of the platform, because there are really a lot of people with money to spend 2500 euros on a micro-board-memory-graphics card.
Best regards.

It's clear that there are people who will be able to buy DDR4 and Haswell-E, but I mean that the sale of DDR4 is the majority, I think they have to come out with other cheaper platforms.
They must come out with affordable processors and cheaper platforms, also that the memory price goes down, with Haswell-E although some people will surely buy it, they will be a minority compared to the sales of cheaper platforms, that's why I think that memory will not be the majority until it goes down in price and there is a choice in both CPU and platform, in other words when the low range is DDR4 and it doesn't come out very expensive, for example the H91 or B95 from Intel support it (it's an assumption because I don't know if those chipsets will support it) they must be cheap boards and cheap CPUs that support DDR4 and also that memory doesn't come out too expensive.

That's why I think it will take time to standardize and surpass the sales of DDR3.

I don't think the Titans have sold much, they just make themselves noticed, but if we compare the sales of a 660,760,670, surely the sales of Titan are a misery.

The Titans make themselves noticed because they are bought by enthusiasts, people with high resolutions or overclockers, also people who use them for DP2, many usually frequent forums and specialized websites, but surely the sales of a 660 are devastating compared to those of Titan.

Best regards

[Bm4n]

DDR3 seems to have gone up in price back then, I suppose that like everything else, due to lower demand. As soon as Intel's new main platform with DDR4 comes out, it will start to be manufactured in large quantities and prices will drop, that's just how things work, we buy for novelty not for necessity so when they see sales drop they come out with something new...

[cobito]

@Bm4n:

[…] we buy for novelty not for necessity so when they see sales drop they come out with something new…

I think it's the best summary of what the PC market has become in recent years.

[fjavi]

@Bm4n:

DDR3 seems to have gone up in price back then, I suppose that like everything else, it's due to lower demand. Once Intel's new main platform with DDR4 comes out, it will start to be manufactured in bulk and prices will drop, that's just how things work, we buy for novelty not for necessity so when they see sales drop they come out with something new...

I think the price increase for ddr3 has been pure speculation, memory manufacturers have a history of price-fixing agreements, with ddr3 they used the supposed fire at a hynix factory, the other manufacturers instead of releasing more memory did what they could to wait and see if prices would go up.

It's like the hard drive floods, it's like a mafia.

regards