Update my PC

[_Neptunno_]

@Rules:

Oysters many thanks for all the comments guys!!

Well, I'll be a little clearer, let's see if you understand my situation jeje :D:

The thing is that an acquaintance liked my pc and wanted one the same or similar but without graphics, since he doesn't want it for gaming.
So I offered my CPU + VIDEO CARD + RAM for 275€ (125€ CPU, 75€ Video Card, 50€ RAM) and the rest of the pieces we will buy new (power supply, case, ssd + hd, etc…)

The thing is that he doesn't know how to assemble or install, so for assembling and installing everything I take 100€ more, so if I do this operation, I will have a total of 375€ to spend on something new without putting a € of my own.

Hence the change I want to make, I couldn't do it with the graphics card, since it would be 350€ directly from my pocket, I think you already follow what I want to say.

So, I get my "old" configuration for 375€ + a few hours of labor, and now what I want is to get something a little fatter.

So, I'm considering 2 options, to get something more or less similar:
i5 4690k + Asrock z97 PRO4 + DDR3 2400 2x4GB GSKILL: 398€ (I spend 25€ of my own)
Or something more powerful:
i7 4770K + Asrock z97 Extreme4 + DDR3 2400 2x4GB GSKILL: 508€ (I spend 115€ of my own)

The thing about the 16GB of RAM I see it as a madness, I don't think I'll use it for anything right now, and they are 70€ more than what I have of difference from the i5 to the i7.

Now all the cards are on the table, make your bets gentlemen!! ;D

P.D: Now I'm in the middle of the university apocalypse, so honestly I skip the graphics card, for the face of jul'15 then I'll look at the graphics card with more eyes :fuckyea:

Okay, I already understand your change…it's not that the i5 2500k is short for you :troll::troll: The truth is that it's a good opportunity to have something more modern, but note that I don't think you'll notice a substantial improvement, except for looking at the issue of the motherboard…if you're not happy with yours at least you'll lose sight of it.

I would opt for the option I marked in bold, basically because I think you're going to be more than satisfied...I spent the same with the i7 4790k but with the advantage of getting it through work, but I already exceeded my limit that I set, since I was looking at the 4690k...only that I caught it in a moment of madness :ugly:
I can affirm that it goes like a shot in Stock against the I7 950 at the same frequency, and I'm super happy, but surely the i5 would give me the same results in games and normal use.

Regards!!

[Espinetenbolas]

I would leave the first option if you are not going to do OC and the integrated sound card doesn't matter to you.

Otherwise, of the second option, I would discard the 4770K and go directly for the 4790K since the current 4770K hardly overclocks (or so it is said) and although the 4790K is not exactly the panacea, at least you have the 4.4Ghz assured... then the fact that the IHS paste doesn't make good contact is another story ¬¬.

Anyway, check the configurations on Xtremmedia because my second configuration comes out with shipping included and the 4790K for 500.2€ while on Pcomoponentes without shipping it goes to 514.5€... it's not a big difference but it's 14 euros ;D

[rul3s]

They only go up that little bit?? Oh man, my current setup goes up to 4.4 without touching voltages, I with voltages up to 5.3 ghz! Even so, 4.4ghz from this i7 will be better than the 5.3 from my i5, right?
I'm also considering just changing the motherboard… Argg I don't know what to do!

[Espinetenbolas]

@Rules:

Do they really only go up that little bit?? Wow, my current setup goes up to 4.4 without touching voltages, I with voltages up to 5.3 ghz! Even so, 4.4ghz of this i7 will be better than the 5.3 of my i5, right?

Well, the performance per cycle of Haswell is better whether we're talking about an i5 or an i7, not in everything but in most things although the technology is intelcore and the architecture has been improved in many things and new instructions have been added. Then there's the HT issue that simulates having 4 more cores (4 real + 4 virtual) and that multitasking applications give approximately 50% more performance... it would be like having a hexacore i5.

As for OC I say the 4.4 because that's what it comes with... the normal thing is to be able to put it at 4.6-4.7... mine does it without hardly touching voltage but you put LINX on it and it screws up because it goes over 100º... in fact I passed the superpi 32M at 5Ghz by air with barely 1.325V and I've raised it to 5.1-5.2 without being able to validate SPi... and the problem is the TIM between DIE and IHS which leaves too much thickness so I'll be forced if I want to crank it up to "open up" the micro... it all comes in this post: OC a un 4790K - HardLimit

The 2500K doesn't have that TIM problem because the DIE and the IHS are soldered.

You can see the "opening up" issue with data in this forum: [Official] Delidded Club / Guide where you can compare the margin of improvement very well... and here the margin of OC of the Devil's Canyon: The Intel Devil's Canyon Owners Club

[rul3s]

@Espinetenbolas:

Let's see, the performance per cycle of Haswell is better both if we talk about an i5 or an i7, not in everything but in most things although the technology is intelcore the architecture has been improved in many things and new instructions have been added. Then there is the issue of HT that simulates having 4 more cores (4 real + 4 virtual) and that multitasking applications give approximately 50% more performance... let's say it would be like having a hexacore i5.

Regarding OC I say the 4,4 because it's what it comes with... the normal thing is to be able to put it at 4,6-4,7... mine does it without hardly touching voltage but you put LINX and it screws up because it goes over 100º... in fact I passed the superpi 32M at 5Ghz by air with barely 1.325V and I raised it to 5.1-5.2 without being able to validate SPi... and the problem is the TIM between DIE and IHS that leaves too much thickness so I will be forced if I want to put some fire to "open up" the micro... it all comes in this post: OC a un 4790K - HardLimit

The 2500K doesn't have this TIM problem because the DIE and the IHS are soldered.

The issue of "opening up" can be seen with data in this forum: [Official] Delidded Club / Guide where you can compare the margin of improvement very well... and here the margin of OC of the Devil's Canyon: The Intel Devil's Canyon Owners Club

Many thanks espinete! I leave you a few positive points that you have earned, and because I can't send you uans

I'll tell you what I've decided, it will be in 2 exams I'm in full exams and with almost no time :mudo:

[rul3s]

@Rules:

Many thanks espinete! I leave you a few positive points that you have earned, and because I can't send you uans

I will tell you what I have decided, which will be in 2 exams. I am in the middle of exams and have almost no time :mudo:

I meant weeks… you can already imagine how I'm going... xd :wall: :ugly:

[rul3s]

Just a quick thing,

I've noticed that CPUs have gone up quite a bit in price in about 2 weeks, about 20€ each, both the 4690K and the 4790K, do you know if it's for some reason, for example, that they have fixed the IHS issue?

I say this because if it's a new revision I'll get the new one, whether it's from one or the other, if it's been a price increase just because, I'll take advantage to buy it NOW before they raise the price also at CoolMod (292€ vs 309€ from pccomponentes)

New revision or prices adapting to the holiday season?

[whoololon]

But let's see, what are you really going to use the machine for?
What are you going to put into it that won't just run on a more powerful graphics card?

[rul3s]

@whoololon:

But let's see, what are you really going to use the machine for?
What are you going to put into it that won't just run on a more powerful graphics card?

I use it for everything, and more now, that I'm working with Autocad, SketchUp (video renderings), Multi-Threading programming, virtual machines etc…

As I said a little further up, the graphics right now are not a priority for me, if you read a few posts above I explain that I'm just doing it because I got the opportunity to change to a new i5 for the same price or to an i7 adding about 100€.

[whoololon]

Well, I would say you should go for an i7, since you're changing platforms, so at least you'll notice some difference with what you already have.

[rul3s]

Well, the dilemma is over, in the end I did the following:

• i7 4790K 292.95€
• Asrock z97 Extreme 4 127€
• gSkill (8x2) 16GB DDR3 1600 CL10 second-hand 85€

Total 505€ (+130€ from my pocket) I have compared prices on Pccomponentes, XtremMedia and Coolmod, and it was cheaper on coolmod, I hadn't been considering this website for a while! When it arrives (I think next Monday) I will already have a review for you!! Goodbye and thanks for everything.

[Espinetenbolas]

@Rules:

I've seen that CPUs have risen quite a bit in price in about 2 weeks, about 20€ each, both the 4690K and the 4790K, do you know if it's for some reason, for example, that they have fixed the IHS issue?

No, generally we are used to the price only going down but the truth is that it usually fluctuates based on the law of supply and demand… besides, there are stores that have bought at a certain price and then they run out of stock and when they go to restock there isn't any or they need to go to another reseller who charges them (yes... commissions... the world works like this)

In fact, I who had been thinking about changing my equipment since May, I even saw the 4790k in August for 275-285€, but it didn't last long... in fact, in a few months after the holidays that will be its price but now that a stage of high demand is coming, the price stagnates and tends to go up.

Don't worry about the paste, it's a design flaw that only affects OC, some more and others less... three things can happen:

• It overclocks well but has a bad IHS -> Good although :wall:
• It overclocks well and has a relatively good IHS -> Black gold
• It overclocks poorly but has a bad IHS -> :wall: :eoh: :ffu:

I have the theory that these last ones don't exist and that they are simply problems with the motherboard or inadequate components because if Intel guarantees that with that crappy heatsink the micro can go to 4.4Ghz margin, there must be... besides, there are many brutes who first thing they do is raise the voltage all at once... savages.

@Rules:

Well, the dilemma is over, in the end I have done the following:

• i7 4790K 292.95€
• Asrock z97 Extreme 4 127€
• gSkill (8x2) 16GB DDR3 1600 CL10 second-hand 85€

Total 505€ (+130€ from my pocket)

I have compared prices at Pccomponentes, XtremMedia and Coolmod, and at coolmod it came out cheaper for me, I hadn't been considering this website for a while!

When it arrives (I think next Monday) I will already have a review for you!!

Good choice, in the end you will see that it's worth it.

As for the review… I hope you do a good job, I already have all the materials to unbox it and I will also be able to show the improvement results... now I just need to find a day when I have nothing better to do than to be at the PC and consume such an act of degeneration

[rul3s]

I'm alive, right? The thing is, I had some issues with the car and I still couldn't order the parts… I hope to have everything ready for next week.

Best regards!

[_Neptunno_]

@Rules:

I'm alive eh? The thing is that I had some issues with the car and I still couldn't order the parts… I hope to have everything for next week.

Saludos!

I hope the issues with the car were not serious!!

Saludos!

[rul3s]

@_Neptunno_:

I hope the car problems were not serious!!

Best regards!

Well, in the end I had to change a head gasket with 60,000 km and 4 years of car ownership... €1000 repair. Renault quality they said.

So for now I've left the issue a bit on hold, between this and Christmas coming up it's a bit of a mess...:llorar: let's see if after the holidays I can get back to it :wall: