[Review by ELP3] AMD Radeon FURY X
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It's not a polemic, in some reviews they have already addressed the issue of the 4Gb, if you think it's not enough, and as you hint it's a burden, I'd like you to explain to me why the FPS here don't drop like a beast:
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image//skymtl/GPU/R9-FURY-X-2/R9-FURY-X-2-49.jpg
Best regards.
Well because they haven't managed to put everything to the max or the bench doesn't consume more Vram.
What amuses me Javi, is that you show me screenshots from reviews having had the graphics card.
Why don't you explain to me, why in Hitman, the Fury has 1 fps minimum, and the TITAN X 26?
The PCIe thing is obvious..
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For me the best there is, or at least there was when I bought it.
The Dell U3214
Eizo panel.
An absolute blast…
With the power of the 290X it's normal.
But when you put in the new ones, and more if it's SLI or CFX.. things change and a lot..
Yes sir, that Dell is a real gem, I would have bet on the Dell P2715Q with IPS panel which is also very well spoken of.
Do you think about buying a companion for this fury to try it with Windows 10?
Regards.-
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Well because they have not managed to put everything to the maximum or the bench does not consume more Vram.
What amuses me Javi, is that you show me screenshots of reviews having had the graphics card.
Why don't you explain to me, why in Hitman, the Fury has 1 fps at minimum, and the TITAN X 26?
The PCIe thing is obvious..
Well it is obvious, ramdisk is used, just like in COD:AW, with a consumption of around 7GB, not even with graphics cards with 2GB will the framerate go through the roof.
That's one thing, what is being debated now with the HBM is that in games at 4K ultra, none that I have seen, have managed to collapse the 4GB, the maximum I have seen has been 3914 mb (shadows of mordor), while in the titan X it fills almost entirely the vram, from which it is deduced that the brutal bandwidth and the computing capacity of the gpu prevent the timelapse in the vram and the great use of the pciex lines.
When Anandtech's review comes out we will have much more data on this topic in my opinion.
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Yes sir, an authentic gem that Dell, I would have bet on the Dell P2715Q with IPS panel that is also very well spoken of.
Are you thinking of buying a companion for this fury to try it with Windows 10?
Regards.-
The fury flew Patagonian
It made no sense to have it.
I have 3 TITAN X and 2 GTX 980. I wanted to try to see if this time it was the definitive one, or again it was smoke..no need to answer, right?
Regards.
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Well, it's obvious, it uses ramdisk, just like in COD:AW, with a consumption of about 7GB, so even with 2GB graphics, the framerate won't go through the roof.
That's one thing, what's being debated now with HBM is that in games at 4K ultra, none that I've seen have collapsed the 4GB, the maximum I've seen is 3914 mb (shadows of mordor), while on the Titan X it fills almost entirely the vram, from which it's deduced that the brutal bandwidth and the gpu's computing capacity prevent the timelapse in the vram and the heavy use of the pciex lines.
When Anandtech's review comes out, I think we'll have a lot more data on this topic.
Javi, leave it really... for you the sugus..
I don't know where you read those things..but it's a joke, really..a joke.
That's why I say there's nothing like trying things out.
I've never seen the TITAN X fill the framebuffer in TRI SLI with filters and at maximum at 4K.
The Fury and 980, when I've wanted them, I've fulminated them with a single stroke, mark what the afterburner marks. Which, by the way, isn't accurate because you can't measure the VRAM from Win 7 with precision. And even less in AMD graphics. As the manufacturer has said thousands of times. Because, among other things, AMD doesn't feel like letting MSI do it.
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The fury flew Patagonian
It made no sense to have it.
I have 3 TITAN X and 2 GTX 980.I wanted to try to see if this time it was the definitive one,or again it was smoke..you don't have to answer, right?
Regards.
What score do the titan x give you in heaven 1080p extreme?
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What score do you give the Titan X in Heaven 1080p extreme?
About 110 fps with everything maxed out and 8x AA.
The Fury, 70.
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Te iba a contestar a tu comentario anterior, poniéndote datos de otras webs comparativas con misma resolución, filtros y juegos, pero caí que es entrar donde tu quieres y no va a ser así …
No digo que la experiencia de juego sea buena, pero los datos están ahí y yo no barro para ningún lado, soy más pro-amd y tengo 5 nvidias en 3 equipos de tres gamas diferentes con procesadores intel todos...
Intento ser objetivo e imparcial, dicho esto y viendo que anandtech todavía no ha sacado review ya que están hablando con ingenieros de amd de forma muy estrecha, se puede ver por ahora esto:
GPU 2015 Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech
Mientras que en pcperspective se ve esto:
The AMD Radeon R9 Fury X 4GB Review - Fiji Finally Tested | PC Perspective
Como se puede apreciar bajo casi todas las resoluciones hay una disparidad de fps propia de las distintas configuraciones de filtros y así lo dicen en su review antes de empezar, fiarte de lo que dice techpowerup hoy en día con sus reviews con metodología de hace 10 años, con una disparidad de resultados alarmante entre series salidas al mercado … mala referencia tienes tu en mi opinión.
No cuadran ni sus propios datos en su database, no se cómo te cuadran estos con los tuyos... increíble cuanto menos.
Guru3d no es santo de mi devoción desde hace un par de años, pero por lo menos sus datos están más acordes a la realidad y pasados el tiempo.
AMD Radeon R9 Fury X review - Introduction
A 4K está a la altura e incluso por encima, que es para lo que está diseñada. Viendo los timeframe se nota que la experiencia de juego no va a ser tan óptima como con nvidia, simplemente hay que esperar a mejores drivers.
No recuerdo dónde pero leí que AMD buscaba ingeniero senior para sus drivers entre otros puestos, vamos a ver en qué se traduce eso con el tiempo.
En cuanto al oc, pcperspective 1150 mhz, guru3d 1125 mhz, hardwareluxx 1185 mhz, hothardware 1155 mhz, hexus 1140 mhz, legitreview 1130 mhz, techpowerup 1150 mhz, bittech 1130 mhz, hardwarecanucks 1160 mhz, nlhardware 1145 mhz, sweclockers 1135 mhz, hardwareheaven 1140 mhz.
En resumen, que como la media da 1145 mhz, en hardwareluxx no pueden tener una muestra que haya subido más, solo un 2% más, en definitiva, nos timan y mienten, en fin … mejor no hacemos lo mismo con la 980TI y sus reviews...
Resumiendo, en 4K la Fury X es competitiva, mucho, a la altura como mínimo de la 980Ti y se ahoga menos cuanto más le demandamos.
Hay review a patadas para verlo, lo que sería totalmente mentira es decir que es competitiva en el resto de resoluciones, pero no es su objetivo realmente, ni por precio ni por gama...
Podemos debatir lo que quieras, pero los números son números y estos no mienten, no me hagas ponerme los datos por favor...
Mira Javisoft, la cosa es tan simple como que tú puedes exponer las reviews que tú quieras, pero yo igual que tú, leo reviews en internet, muchas en su momento hace 2 días, con la diferencia que NO leo cabeceras de segunda en otros idiomas, aunque posiblemente me enteraría algo mejor de lo que dicen sin traductor automático, no me da la gana de estar perdiendo el tiempo entendiendo ruso, por ejemplo, aunque lo chapurreé. Con el alemán menos. Ya me basta con recurrir a sitios conocidos en inglés, y en un puro exceso, hardware.fr en francés, lengua que reconozco que no domino, pero solo porque se dio a conocer y mucho en la prensa internacional a través de su versión inglesa behardware. Y porque ha demostrado una calidad que no tienen otras webs.
Sea como sea, yo leo cierta "prensa", he leído más de una decena de reviews y he visto sus resultados con mis propios ojos, crítico con cada prueba que he visto. Tú tienes tu opinión, que recurre a fuentes más exóticas, yo tengo la mía, y no tengo ni pizca de necesidad de que me vengas explicando qué veo o no en las reviews.
Gracias pero no, no necesito que nadie me "aleccione" sobre cómo es en realidad la Fury X.
Y te lo vuelvo a decir, lo de kkdluxxx es muy cantoso, ninguna review de TODAS las que he visto ha mostrado la impresionante homogeneidad de resultados (detalle que no paras de obviar al recurrir a fuentes como ésta) entre juegos y pruebas. Y todos aquí sabemos que eso no va así, hay juegos que van mucho mejor en AMD, y juegos que van mucho mejor en nvidia.
Solo por eso lo considero un sitio nada fiable, no es en absoluto creíble una victoria casi continua salpicada de 1-2 derrotas puntuales, y todos los resultados en un margen de diferencia de un 5% o menos. Tampoco es creíble lo visto en otras de las reviews que has puesto, que a baja resoluciones y con muchos fps generados fuera la Fury X la que se llevaba las victorias, cuando está sobradamente demostrado el problema del driver de AMD para mantener altas tasas de fps cuando la carga gráfica es liviana (hablo de resoluciones como 1600x900).
Pero todo esto da igual, insisto, aunque fueran de "mi gusto" las reviews que eliges, resulta que ya vengo leído sobre el tema, gracias. No necesito que tras el trabajo que me llevó leerme tantas reviews venga nadie a cambiarme las impresiones, más cuando he visto a varios usuarios españoles que sí la han probado claramente decepcionados (no solo ELP3).
Que si tanto te gusta, coño, cómprala y pasa algún review por aquí para mostrarnos sus bondades, el movimiento se demuestra andando, no jugando a las cartas estilo magic con "mis reviews son mejores que las tuyas", que es un juego que podemos ponernos a hacer para no llegar a ningún sitio… :troll:
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Javi, leave it alone for real.. for you the sugus..
I don't know where you read those things.. but it's a joke, really.. a joke.
That's why I say there's nothing like trying things out.
I've never seen the TITAN X fill the framebuffer in TRI SLI with filters and maxed out at 4K.
The Fury and 980, when I've wanted them, I've obliterated them with a single stroke, no matter what the afterburner marks. Which, by the way, isn't accurate because you can't measure VRAM from Win 7 with precision. And even less so with AMD graphics. As the manufacturer has said thousands of times. Because, among other things, AMD doesn't feel like letting MSI do it.
I suspect you have no idea what a ramdisk is or why developers use it. In fact, it has nothing to do with the framebuffer as such.
I see you know a lot and I'd appreciate it if you could tell me where the remaining MB in my configuration with the 750TI 2GB (8 GB of Ram) go, so I can play it without problems at constant 60 fps at ultra.
Best regards.
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Look at Javisoft, the thing is as simple as the fact that you can expose the reviews you want, but I, like you, read reviews on the internet, many of them two days ago, with the difference that I DO NOT read second-hand headlines in other languages, although I would probably understand better what they say without an automatic translator, I don't feel like wasting time understanding Russian, for example, even if I mumble it. Less so with German. I'm satisfied with resorting to well-known sites in English, and in a pure excess, hardware.fr in French, a language I admit I don't master, but only because it became widely known in the international press through its English version behardware. And because it has demonstrated a quality that other websites do not have.
Anyway, I read certain "press", I have read more than a dozen reviews and I have seen their results with my own eyes, being critical with each test I have seen. You have your opinion, which resorts to more exotic sources, I have mine, and I don't have the slightest need for you to come and explain to me what I see or not in the reviews.
Thanks but no, I don't need anyone to "advise" me on what the Fury X is really like.
And I'll tell you again, the thing with kkdluxxx is very sing-songy, no review of ALL the ones I've seen has shown the impressive homogeneity of results (a detail that you keep ignoring when resorting to sources like this) between games and tests. And everyone here knows that it's not like that, there are games that run much better on AMD, and games that run much better on NVIDIA.
Just for that, I consider it an unreliable site, it's not at all credible to have an almost continuous victory sprinkled with 1-2 occasional defeats, and all results within a margin of difference of 5% or less. Nor is it credible what was seen in other reviews you've posted, that at low resolutions and with many fps generated outside the Fury X would take the victories, when it's more than proven the problem of the AMD driver to maintain high fps rates when the graphic load is light (I'm talking about resolutions like 1600x900).
But all this doesn't matter, I insist, even if the reviews you choose were "to my liking", it turns out that I have already read about the subject, thank you. I don't need anyone to come and change my impressions after the work it took me to read so many reviews, especially when I have seen several Spanish users who have clearly been disappointed (not just ELP3) after testing it.
If you like it so much, damn it, buy it and post a review here to show us its benefits, the movement is demonstrated by walking, not by playing magic cards style "my reviews are better than yours", which is a game we can play to get nowhere… :troll:
I know where those results come from wwwendigo..but I passed on saying it.
They are called AMD benchmarks.
The problem here is that many don't know how to be a reviewer.
I'll explain it briefly.
AMD sends by mail to reviewers those so-called "benchmarks". For them, they know that the graphics are in correct values.
These benchmarks are an absolute nonsense. It simply consists of bringing out your best virtue and worsening the rival's, although the user will never put those graphic options.
It's exactly like that. In Far Cry 4, you put AA OFF. In anisotropic 4X, AO OFF, vegetation Ultra, shadows on Medium..etc..etc.
A mishmash of options that would never be put manulamente.No is the typical game settings of all Ultra, High or Medium.
I'm sure that some reviews didn't even bother to test the graphics, and directly put the benchmarks (which come with the frames that their graphics and the competition are supposed to give) and just did a copy&paste of said internal mail.
Generally these benchmarks tend to give real frame bestialidades even at 4K.
Fortunately, 99% of the real reviews ignore these "benchmarks" and test things normally.
Regards.
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Look at Javisoft, the thing is as simple as the fact that you can expose the reviews you want, but I, like you, read reviews on the internet, many of them two days ago, with the difference that I DO NOT read second-hand headlines in other languages, although I would probably understand what they say better without an automatic translator, I don't feel like wasting time understanding Russian, for example, even if I mumble it. Less so with German. I'm satisfied with resorting to well-known sites in English, and in a pure excess, hardware.fr in French, a language I admit I don't master, but only because it became widely known in the international press through its English version behardware. And because it has demonstrated a quality that other websites do not have.
Anyway, I read certain "press", I have read more than a dozen reviews and I have seen their results with my own eyes, being critical with each test I have seen. You have your opinion, which resorts to more exotic sources, I have mine, and I have not the slightest need for you to come and explain to me what I see or not in the reviews.
Thanks but no, I don't need anyone to "advise" me on what the Fury X is really like.
And I'll tell you again, the thing with kkdluxxx is very sing-songy, none of the reviews I have seen have shown the impressive homogeneity of results (a detail that you keep ignoring when resorting to sources like this) between games and tests. And everyone here knows that it's not like that, there are games that run much better on AMD, and games that run much better on NVIDIA.
Just for that, I consider it an unreliable site, it is not at all credible a near continuous victory dotted with 1-2 occasional defeats, and all results within a margin of difference of 5% or less. It is also not credible what was seen in other reviews you have put, that at low resolutions and with many fps generated outside the Fury X would take the victories, when it is well demonstrated the problem of the AMD driver to maintain high fps rates when the graphic load is light (I'm talking about resolutions like 1600x900).
But all this doesn't matter, I insist, even if the reviews were "to my liking", it turns out that I have already read about the subject, thank you. I don't need anyone to come and change my impressions after the work it took me to read so many reviews, especially when I have seen several Spanish users who have clearly been disappointed (not just ELP3).
If you like it so much, damn it, buy it and post a review here to show us its benefits, the movement is demonstrated by walking, not by playing magic cards style "my reviews are better than yours", which is a game we can play to get nowhere… :troll:
Sorry to disappoint you, I'm not going to buy the graphics card to prove anything to you, fortunately I have more than enough in hard ;D.
Regarding the reviews, I am the first to be disappointed as I expected more, I expected 5-10% at most occasionally more, but that doesn't make me see that the framerate is not as bad as you want to paint it and that the gaming experience is improvable.
I have read many reviews already for you to come and say the opposite, as I told you before the numbers don't lie, people do, stick with your truth and that's it, like the 970 being superior to the 780Ti and those things that others have already checked in situ and are not true.
So the Fury X doesn't excite me but I don't paint it as a failure, I debate the impressions that the reviews and users like this case ELP3 leave me, another thing is that what I refute you don't like and you always go off on a tangent
, without acrimony.Best regards.
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I know where those results come from wwwendigo..but I didn't bother to say it.
They are called AMD benchmarks.
The problem here is that many don't know how to be a reviewer.
I'll explain it briefly.
AMD sends these so-called "benchmark" points by email to reviewers. According to them, they know that the graphics are in the correct values.
These benchmarks are a real mess. It simply consists of taking out your best virtue and worsening the rival's, although the end user will never use those graphic options.
It's like this. In Far Cry 4, you put AA OFF. In anisotropic 4X, AO OFF, vegetation Ultra, shadows Medium..etc..etc.
A mishmash of options that would never be put manulamente.No is the typical game settings of all Ultra, High or Medium.
I'm sure that some reviews haven't even bothered to test the graphics, and have directly put the benchmark points (which come with the frames that their graphics and the competition's are supposed to give) and have just done a copy&paste of said internal email.
Generally these benchmarks usually give real bestiality of frames even at 4K.
Regards.
You'll have to forgive me, but that is directly an insult to many review sites with a lot of work behind them, if you really believe that... poor guy, you have countless configurations in the reviews to affirm such a barbarity.
That there is one that accepts a value preset by amd as a setting, I don't doubt it, but from there to say what you have said, with the competition they have to gain readers...
And don't come at me now with the kitguru thing that doesn't hold up XD.
Regards.
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I'll have to forgive you, but that's directly an insult to many review sites with a lot of hard work behind them, if you really believe that... bad man, you have countless configurations in the reviews to assert such a barbarity.
That there's one that accepts a preset value for amd as a setting, I don't doubt it, but from there to say what you've said, with the competition they have to gain readers...
And don't come at me with the kitguru thing now, it won't fly XD.
Best regards.
Javi, I'm sorry, you're controversial and I'm not going to get into your act.
You remind me why I left the forums.
Enjoy them.
This is the end of my contribution here until in a few years..
I hope that the next contributions of news are made by you. That way, you can really help your fellow forum members and feel how appreciated your work is.
Best regards
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The fury flew Patagonian
It made no sense to have it.
I have 3 TITAN X and 2 GTX 980.I wanted to try to see if this time it was the definitive one,or again it was smoke..you don't have to answer, right?
Greetings.
It didn't last long but I understand, now you're tempting me a lot for when Windows 10 comes out to do a comparison with 2 GTX 980 and Titan X and I with 2 GTX 980 and a Titan (Kerpler) to know what difference there can be.
Greetings.-
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Javi, I'm sorry, you're controversial and I'm not going to get into your act.
You remind me why I left the forums.
Enjoy them.
This is the end of my contribution here until in a few years..
I hope you make the next contributions of news. That way, you can really help your fellow forum members and feel how much your work is appreciated.
Best regards
You're leaving because you want … the irony of thanking the effort doesn't fit with me, since I've thanked you in advance, what I think is that you want to lecture and not be contradicted in the slightest for the simple fact of clicking a graphic and passing tests in premiere, in other words, you don't want to dance to my tune and you come to label me as controversial for rebutting your opinions and data with education (which I haven't really done, I've just given more information to the branch).
When I contribute something, I'm not looking for thanks, nor am I looking for fame, nor recognition, but if my work is liked, fantastic, I hope to learn from those who criticize it, not to feed my ego.
The fact that you don't want to contribute is a loss for everyone, since not everyone is willing to spend to have the premiere or not everyone has access to someone who can provide it.
However you look at it, it's bad, so I encourage you to, whenever you feel like it, do your previews and your tests, as I say, I'll be the first to thank you.
Good luck.
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"I think you have no idea what a ramdisk is or why developers use it, in fact it has nothing to do with the framebuffer as such."
This is a tremendous exaggeration, because it doesn't make any sense. And no, when we developers program (I happen to be, among other things, an application programmer, not a game programmer, obviously, I'd love to get involved in projects like that) we don't use "RAMDISK", we directly use memory by locating it, not by creating virtual devices to waste clock cycles in accessing what we can store directly in memory.
Seriously, I don't know what you want to prove. Do you know more about the Fury X than anyone else because you've read "better" reviews than the others? That ELP3 doesn't know what he's talking about when here is the only one who can talk about having tried it directly?
I already put a link (which was gracefully deleted by moderation, it seems that it bothers to put links to other Spanish forums, even though I don't see it forbidden in the rules?) with the experiences of the other and only Spanish user who has tasted the Fury X, and his opinion was surprisingly similar to ELP3's, he also sent it back or got rid of it in record time.
This is what there is Javisoft, don't think that people are stupid because they don't share your opinion or because you keep talking about things like RAMDISKs that I don't even know why you mentioned it (it doesn't make sense, you probably wanted to talk more about streaming caching from disk, or something like that, but even so, it was unnecessary to talk like that about how ELP3 passes or not the tests as if you were in front of his computer and you saw everything), we have all seen with our own eyes as much or more than you.
If you are so sure that this graphics card is so good, the solution, very easy, you get it and you give your opinion from personal experience. It's the only thing that can allow you to talk at the same level as ELP3 on the subject, because you talk from hearsay (just like me on this topic), and he is the only one in this forum who doesn't.
It's that simple, without any trouble or creating controversies, the movement is demonstrated by walking, it's absurd to argue more about the subject. I can put 20 reviews saying what I have said and it wouldn't change a damn thing your opinion, just like you would change mine with your 20 reviews.
And I also leave this thread, at least for the moment since I don't like the drift.
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"Me da que no tienes ni idea de lo que es un ramdisk ni por que las desarrolladoras lo usan, de echo no tiene nada que ver con el framebuffer como tal. "
Esto es una sobrada tremenda, porque además no tiene pizca de sentido. Y no, los desarrolladores cuando programamos (da la casualidad de que soy entre otras cosas programador de aplicaciones, no de juegos evidentemente, ya me gustaría meterme en proyectos así) no usamos "RAMDISK", usamos directamente la memoria localizándola, no creando dispositivos virtuales para perder ciclos de reloj en a acceder a lo que podemos guardar nosotros directamente en memoria.
En serio, no sé qué quieres demsotrar. ¿que sabes más de la Fury X que nadie porque has leido reviews "mejores" que las de los demás? ¿Que ELP3 no sabe de lo que habla cuando aquí es el único que puede hablar de haber probado directamente?
Ya puse un link (que grácilmente borró la moderación, parece que molesta poner enlaces a otros foros españoles, aún cuando en las normas no veo que esté prohibido ¿?) con las experiencias del otro y único usuario español que ha catado la Fury X, y era un reflejo asombrosamente parecido su opinión a la de ELP3, también la envió de vuelta o se libró de ella en tiempo récord.
Esto es lo que hay Javisoft, no pienses que la gente es tonta porque no comparta tu opinión ni te pases hablando de cosas como RAMDISKs que no sé ni porqué lo has mencionado (es que no tiene sentido, seguro que querías hablar más bien de cacheo de streaming desde disco, o algo del estilo, pero aún así, sobraba hablar así sobre cómo pasa o no las pruebas ELP3 como si tú estuvieras delante de su ordenador y lo vieras todo), todos hemos visto con nuestros ojos tanto o más que tú.
Si tan seguro estás de que esta gráfica es tan buena, la solución, muy fácil, la consigues y opinas desde la experiencia propia. Es lo único que te puede permitir hablar al mismo nivel que ELP3 sobre el tema, porque tú hablas de oídas (igual que yo en este tema), y él es el único en este foro que no.
Es así de simple, sin malos rollos ni crear polémicas, el movimiento se demuestra andando, es absurdo discutir más sobre el tema. Te puedo poner 20 reviews diciendo lo que yo he dicho y no cambiaría una mierda tu opinión, igual que tú la mía con tus 20 reviews.
Y también dejo este hilo, por lo menos de momento dado que no me gusta la deriva.
Yo no he criticado sus datos, ni los he puesto en duda, he hablado unica y exclusivamente de los datos de las reviews, creo que deberias releer la rama.
Por el simple echo de no tenerla en mis manos no me excluye de comentar lo que se lee en foros y reviews, por que entonces el 95% de los que estamos escribiendo deberiamos estar callados, algo lógico.
Se intenta intercambiar opiniones de las review con la persona que la ha tenido en mano y ha aportado datos, nada mas, buscando posibles soluciones a su mal rendimiento …
Sobre el ramdisk... bueno, hasta amd tiene el suyo, asus, etc, etc... como programador deberias saber sus ventajas y el por que se exporta vram, y no precisamente a la ram del sistema en general dado la " baja " capacidad que tiene el usuario medio ( 8 gb segun steam ).
Yo no se mas que nadie, pero tampoco menos, creeme que si tuviese una fury seria mucho mas determinante en mis comentarios y estaria dispuesto a intercambiar opiniones como las que yo he puesto aqui sobre otras review y demas.
No entiendo por que os crispais, no voy a tomar por referencia la opinion de uno o dos usuarios solo por que esté comentando en su rama, a uno le ha podido ir mal aquí, te vas a overclock.net y hay usuarios con la opinion contraria y con crossfire por medio...
Ni todo es blanco ni todo es negro, hay una gran escala de colores en medio...
Sobre el usuario español que ha catado la fury x y la ha devuelto, pues mira, si no le convence hace bien, en los foros de nvidia hay gente devolviendo titan x y 980Ti por los TDR y derivados de los maravillosos drivers, y van con este 4 seguidos.
Hacemos un drama y decimos que el GM200 es malo? Por favor... somos ya adultos a mi parecer...
Si tienes algun inconveniente con moderación lo mas logico es que lo comentes con ellos y no lo dejes caer en un comentario, vamos creo yo.
En fin, un saludo y suerte.
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Well, we have already separated the posts, and I think what I leave is material for all audiences, although some comments are on the edge of being passionate, but I suppose it can be tolerated.
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Do we continue with the topic of the big review of ELP3?**, and no more putting in reviews of websites of chiquitistan, to discuss nonsense.Cheers!
