980 Vs 970 Vs 780Ti a.k.a And you more
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I didn't come in with a high score with the metro because as I said, the 970 wasn't running at full capacity but rather moderately (if you bother to read the caption of the metro screenshots, it clearly says so), I do come in with a high score in the synthetic tests and in the metro 2033 video. That's where they were running at full capacity. You only cling to the LL because it suits you, since I didn't have my max OC and you did. You beat me by 1 fps… wait, I'm still pushing myself to the limit.... Prove that you beat me in all of battery where I have it at full capacity and I will recognize the superiority of your 780ti or in the video.... Let's compare at full capacity, do you want? Don't just throw the shrimp into the fire to show me 1 more fps on average.... without showing parameters or anything you can say the same thing about 1215mhz... In the synthetics I will see your real frequencies and then we can talk about who beats whom.
Until then you are still ultra owned, let's go. Come on, keep trying to beat any of my synthetics... I can imagine you from here with a face of impotence at the same time as circumstance... damn because a 970 eats your 780ti.
I'll answer you again, the data I've provided you are all in air and with throttling, a custom and water cooled card literally destroys a 970, there's nothing more to it.
So much that you like guru3d:
Like I said, with full OC the 980 and the 780Ti are very even. Yours is a case of not wanting to see it and not wanting to believe it.
Goodbye.
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I'll answer you again, the data I've provided you is all in air and with throttling, a custom and literally water-cooled one destroys a 970, there's no more.
As much as you like guru3d:
Like I say, with full OC the 980 and the 780Ti are very even. Yours is a case of not wanting to see it and not wanting to believe it.
Goodbye.
I remind you that my 970s were both air-cooled, you're comparing them to yours when you water-cool them. I'll give you that advantage, when you water-cool them, we'll see how you "destroy me in the synthetics". Remember these words because I'm afraid that even then you'll have to use all your skills. I don't think you'll surpass me in the Fire Strike that I've uploaded, not in any of them.
You already know that now you can't surpass them even with a lot of luck and you come with the throttling and other stuff... man, put them at 130% max fixed voltages and fans at full speed, you have up to 90 degrees to avoid throttling... don't come with excuses. It's the height of it already that you want to compare by water... you didn't say that a 780Ti beats a 970? well, it should be under equal conditions, both air-cooled as is the case here.
But as you see that you can't even remotely, you need to wait for your blocks, which I already told you that you won't surpass me and if you do it will be by very very little. Unless you get a classy one and put it at 1.45v core and it does 1400-1450 mhz, you're going to have a hard time, man. At 1300mhz you're going to eat your snot. I tell you this because my Black did 1350mhz (fixed without throttling at 1.21) and with the 970 I surpassed it in all the Fire and many other games.
So keep saying nonsense that I know better than anyone what they perform, because my two Black beat your two 780Ti. So don't make me laugh anymore and start to demonstrate things with your results and stop resorting to websites.
And so you can see what I'm talking about, I'll pass you a screenshot of one of my Black at 1350mhz + 550 memos without throttling with PhysX enabled (it didn't reach 61 fps, not even with your 780Ti water-cooled you'll surpass that). You'll try it with your super blocks... Therefore I'm comparing with a Black that eats your 780Ti that doesn't even reach 60 fps with PhysX disabled. Imagine if yours is slow, it's a real slow one.
That's why I'm even more sure of your defeat. Because I have a base card that is my ex Black... Dude, I'm not the typical noob like the ones you usually find elsewhere...
Throw your 780Ti in the trash, kid.:fumeta:
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The 970 that I showed you was overclocked 10 Mhz by water … In the 970 the temperature is not a problem to get the most out of the chip, it seems unbelievable that you had them, or have you ever had throttling? I'm sure you haven't... By the way, my 780ti is at 106% and 95 degrees with an asic of 73.6%, as I say with almost 40° ambient, throttling... And I repeat, the data shown, by air.
Besides, this is not the good gpu, the good gpu that I have has an asic of 86% and goes up to 1350 by water to bench, achieving a much better result.
I'll assume it once and for all...
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You can follow if you want, but be careful with the way you do it.
Bye!
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You can follow if you want, but be careful with the way you do it.
Bye!
I won't follow, I'm going to leave the topic, I don't want any more controversy, it's useless to comment anything else, data has been provided, reviews have been posted, all that's left is for me to get another 970 G1 to fully get into their game... Because this is already bordering on ridiculous with the amount of user data and reviews that are on forums.
Goodbye.
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It is logical and normal that if someone uploads tests and performance of their units, the one who intends to refute them does not search the internet for the best possible results, but rather, having in possession the exact model in question, they should pass tests and performance on the units of that user.
It is as basic as the principle of equal opportunities. Not to mention that there are units on Mars that, taking advantage of the low temperatures of the Martian winter, reach unheard-of speeds.
There is no ounce of grace in uploading one's own results so that they can be "refuted" with a selection of the best results in each test among the thousands and thousands of results uploaded on the internet. It is just basic.
Apart from this, I see that beyond the acute reviewitis of some, there is genuine love in the air. I want a photo of the passionate kiss, the one at the end of the movie.
On the other hand, the debate 970 vs 780 Ti is sterile in itself, when one is going to crap for having low performance, surely the other will suffer the same. That is, you do not win any fundamental battle by demonstrating that one is 0.000001% faster than the other.
:love:
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The logical and normal thing is that if someone uploads tests and performance of their units, the one who intends to refute them does not dive into the internet to look for the best possible results, but rather, having in possession the exact model in question, they should pass tests and performance on the units of that user.
It is as basic as the principle of equal opportunities. Not to mention that there are units on Mars that, taking advantage of the low temperatures of the Martian winter, reach unheard-of speeds.
There is no ounce of grace in uploading one's own results so that they can be "refuted" with a selection of the best results in each test among the thousands and thousands of results uploaded on the internet. It is just basic.
Apart from that, I see that beyond the acute reviewitis of some, there is genuine love in the air, I want a photo of the passionate kiss, the one at the end of the movie.
On the other hand, the debate 970 vs 780 Ti is sterile in itself, when one is going to crap for having low performance, surely the other will suffer the same way. That is, you do not win any fundamental battle by demonstrating that one is 0.000001% faster than the other.
:love:
Amen
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The logical and normal thing is that if someone uploads tests and performance of their units, the one who intends to refute them does not scour the internet to find the best possible results, but rather, having in possession the exact model in question, they should have the tests and performance of that user's units.
It's as basic as the principle of equal opportunities. Not to mention that there are units on Mars that, taking advantage of the low Martian winter temperatures, reach unheard-of speeds.
There is no ounce of grace in uploading one's own results so that they can be "refuted" with a selection of the best results in each test among the thousands and thousands of results uploaded on the internet. It's just basic.
Apart from that, I see that beyond the acute reviewitis of some, there is genuine love in the air. I want a photo of the passionate kiss, the one at the end of the movie.
On the other hand, the 970 vs 780 Ti debate is sterile in itself, when one is going to crap for having low performance, the other will probably suffer the same way. That is, you don't win any fundamental battle by proving that one is 0.000001% faster than the other.
:love:
Then you get banned from the forums for comments as implausible and useless as this, only seeking to create controversy...
My data is there, with throttling, while theirs are in full OC without throttling, I don't think I need to post photos with the thermal gun to show the core on the verge of burning with high consumption and the cooler at full capacity and with the temps over 60 degrees.
You talk about the "principle of equal opportunities" ¬¬, reference against the supposedly better custom version of the 970 according to its owner, do you want more in its favor besides what it already has? Don't be hypocritical, man, and stop sowing discord, you don't know which way to go to justify the unjustifiable...
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I repeat that I passed the walk meters…(you seem not to understand) where I gave it my all is in the synthetics and also without going to the extreme since I had to sell them and I wasn't going to burn them. Wwwendigo knows well that it's true because by mp in a thread that I created in another forum, I said that I still had an ace up my sleeve and could improve my results by raising it to 1.312 and putting the bios that I made for it. All of that was at 1.27 and raising the tdp a little...And on top of the one that came out worse of the two, because the other you can't even smell. At 1570mhz it ate your 970 at 1650mhz taking it two fps in heaven... something a bit hard to believe but there are the results. (If you did it many months ago I already tell you that it's because of drivers because I gained 2 fps at the same clocks with the penultimate ones vs others from months ago)
Leaving that aside and seeing that one of my blacks does the hell of time towards almost 61 fps all ultra with physx enabled in the metro LL when you barely reach 59 fps without physx (which are 6-7 fps less on average approx), you come to tell me that your lousy 780ti pulls more than my 970. When I have compared in a thousand tests my sli of blacks vs the 970 and I see the differences.
I'll tell you something when the 970 and the 980 came out during the first months that the 780ti was superior even the 780ti was at the level of the 980, but then months passed and the situation changed with the drivers, the maxwells started to perform more and the keplers were left more behind, to the point that to this day I can say with rotundity that the 970 is superior to the 780 ti without a doubt.
Now you can water them and put them in a freezer and demonstrate to me with synthetic tests (the same ones that I have contributed) how you clearly surpass me as you assure. Leave aside the webs and stories, if you want to prove your superiority upload that. For the moment you uploaded a fire strike, in which you beat me both in gpu score and in the general. So 1-0 for me.:fumeta:
I will continue waiting for your results... maybe with luck nvidia makes some magic driver for kepler and you surpass me. Until then I look forward to that supposed thrashing of your 780 ti good vs my normal 970.
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Te repito que pase los metros de paseo…(que parece que no te enteras ) donde le di caña es en los sintéticos y tampoco sin llegar al extremo ya que tenía que venderlas y no las iba a quemar. Wwwendigo sabe bien que es cierto porque por mp en un hilo que creé en otro foro, le dije que aún guardaba un as en la manga y podía mejorar mis resultados subiéndola a 1,312 y poniendo la bios que le hice para ello. Todo eso era a 1,27 y subiendo algo el TDP...
Y encima de la que me salió peor de las dos, porque la otra ni la hueles. A 1570mhz me comía tu 970 a 1650mhz sacándole dos FPS en el Heaven... cosa algo difícil de creer pero ahí están los resultados. (Si lo hiciste hace muchos meses ya te digo que es por drivers porque yo gané 2 FPS a los mismos clocks con los penúltimos vs otros de meses atrás)
Dejando eso a un lado y viendo que una de mis Black hace la ostia de tiempo hacia casi 61 FPS todo ultra con PhysX habilitado en el metro LL cuando tú a duras penas llegas a 59 FPS sin PhysX (que son 6-7 FPS menos de media aprox), me vienes a decir que tu roñosa 780Ti tira más que mi 970. Cuando he comparado en mil pruebas mi sli de Blacks vs el de 970 y se las diferencias.
Te diré algo: cuando salieron las 970 y la 980 durante los primeros meses sí que la 780Ti era superior, incluso la 780Ti estaba a la altura de la 980, pero luego pasaron los meses y cambió el asunto con los drivers, las Maxwell empezaron a rendir más y las Kepler se quedaron más rezagadas, hasta el punto que a día de hoy aseguro con rotundidad que la 970 es superior a la 780Ti sin dudas.
Ahora ya puedes pasarlas por agua y meterlas en un congelador y demostrarme con tests sintéticos (los mismos que yo he aportado) cómo me superas claramente como tú aseguras. Déjate de webs ni historias, si quieres probar tu superioridad sube eso. De momento subiste un Fire Strike, en el cual te gané tanto en GPU Score como en el general. Así que 1-0 para mí.:fumeta:
Seguiré esperando tus resultados... igual con suerte NVIDIA hace algún driver mágico para Kepler y me superas. Hasta entonces espero con ansias ese rapapolvo supuesto de tu 780Ti buena vs mi 970 normalita.
De verdad, tu prepotencia y chulería solo es igualable a tu ego … baja los humos si quieres que sigamos hablando :verguen:...
Vamos por partes, los 1.31V... va a ser que no:
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NCP81174-D.PDF
Datasheet de tu regulador de voltaje, si entiendes algo de lo que por ahí pone y debido a tu número de fases tu voltaje máximo por PCB es 1.27V que con el Vdroop se quedará en 1.265V, que tú en BIOS puedas deslimitar el TDP y poner 1.6V como tienen las EVGA FTW pues fantástico (que no lo van a coger ni de broma lógicamente), que el AB te lo pone y tú te lo crees fantástico, coge un polímetro y mira lo que sale en tu tarjeta, eso no lo haces ¿verdad;D?
O sea que tu as en la manga … es más bien humo, por no decirte que la diferencia entre 1.265V y 1.31V en Maxwell son apenas 15 MHz, probado en una G1... como dije antes, a Maxwell lo puedes exprimir si necesidad de sufrir throttling o necesitar BIOS custom (a no ser que quieras batir récords mundiales y con voltmod).
Estoy hasta el gorro de modificar BIOS y del prueba-error, teniendo que re-flashear con segundas gráficas cuando me paso en algún parámetro y la primera VGA se queda off como para que vengas a decirme lo contrario, para más info sobre lo anterior:
Extract and Flash GTX 970 and 980 Firmware - Zoson's H2O and AIR Custom BIOS
Luego te contradices cuando afirmas que la 970 rinde más que el GK110B, tú mismo afirmas que tus Titan dan más puntuación con PhysX activo que las 970 sin él … en Heaven por debajo, en 3DMark por debajo... Tú solo te das las respuestas :facepalm:
En cuanto a drivers, NVIDIA ya ha reconocido bugs para Kepler que según dicen, están subsanando en los sucesivos drivers, ¿que lo han hecho a posta? Puede ser, el rendimiento era superior antes, aunque a mí me da mejor rendimiento por poco estos últimos...
Por lo demás, ayer noche con algo menos de temperatura, 1267 por aire:
Con PhysX 4 FPS menos … Y como digo, esta gráfica no está saliendo buena...
En 3DMark no creo que pueda superar a Maxwell, ni siquiera a la 970, por lo menos con la reference, ya veremos con la Classi, de todas formas, como siempre he dicho y mantenido, es un test que no representa el rendimiento real, ni de un sistema, ni de una tarjeta, solo vale para competir con lo que mejor puntuación de en ese momento, no refleja la realidad como tal.
De todas formas estamos hablando de juegos, ¿no? Porque en Heaven te meto bastante, en 3DMark estoy a la par y en juegos... despegado, como digo, con una reference y por aire con throttling.
No sé por qué intentas tergiversar los números y la realidad de lo que se está viendo <:(.
La Classi ya veremos cuánto te saca
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Como curiosidad, y salvando las distancias en FPS por drivers y plataforma lógicamente, aquí se puede ver más o menos lo que se está viendo en esta rama en cuanto a diferencias se refiere:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_gtx_970_gaming_4g/4.htm
Todas con máximo OC por aire, se ve perfectamente que aun a 1600/2100 no la puede superar, y eso que la 780Ti va a 1291
y fijo que tiene throttling aun con el venti al 100%.Un saludo :risitas:
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De verdad, tu prepotencia y chuleria solo es igualable a tu ego … bajate los humos si quieres que sigamos hablando :verguen:...
Vamos por partes, los 1.31v... va a ser que no:
http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NCP81174-D.PDF
Datasheet de tu regulador de voltaje, si entiendes algo de lo que por ahi pone y debido a tu numero de fases tu voltaje maximo por pcb es 1.27v que con el vdroop se quedará en 1.265v, que tu en bios puedas deslimitar el tdp y poner 1.6v como tienen las evga FTW pues fantastico ( que no lo van a coger ni de broma logicamente ), que el AB te lo pone y tu te lo crees fantastico, coge un polimetro y mira lo que sale en tu tarjeta, eso no lo haces verdad ;D?
Osease que tu as en la manga … es mas bien humo, por no decirte que la diferencia entre 1.265v y 1.31v en maxwell son apenas 15 mhz, probado en una g1... como dije antes, a maxwell lo puedes estrujar si necesidad de sufrir throttling o necesitar bios custom ( a no ser que quieras batir records mundiales y con voltmod ).
Estoy hasta el gorro de modificar bios y del prueba-error, teniendo que re-flashear con segundas graficas cuando me paso en algun parametro y la primera vga se queda off como para que vengas a decirme lo contrario, para mas info sobre lo anterior:
Extract and Flash GTX 970 and 980 Firmware - Zoson's H2O and AIR Custom BIOS
Luego te contradices cuando afirmas que la 970 rinde mas que el gk110b, tu mismo afirmas que tus titan dan mas puntuacion con physix activo que las 970 sin el … en heaven por debajo, en 3dmark por debajo... Tu solo te das las respuestas :facepalm:.
En cuanto a drivers, nvidia ya ha reconocido bugs para kepler que segun dicen, estan subsanando en los sucesivos drivers, que lo han hecho a posta? puede ser, el rendimiento era superior antes, aunque a mi me da mejor rendimiento por poco estos ultimos...
Por lo demás ayer noche con algo menos de temperatura, 1267 por aire:
Con physix 4 fps menos … Y como digo, esta grafica no está saliendo buena...
En 3Dmark no creo que pueda superar a maxwell, ni siquiera a la 970, por lo menos con la reference, ya veremos con la classi, de todas formas, como siempre he dicho y mantenido, es un test que no representa el rendimiento real, ni de un sistema, ni de una tarjeta, solo vale para competir con lo que mejor puntuacion de en ese momento, no refleja la realidad como tal.
De todas formas estamos hablando de juegos no? Por que en heaven te meto bastante, en 3dmark estoy a la par y en juegos... despegado, como digo, con una reference y por aire con throttling.
No se por que intentas tergiversar los numeros y la realidad de lo que se está viendo <:(.
La classi ya veremos cuanto te saca
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Como curiosidad, y salvando las distancias en fps por drivers y plataforma logicamente, aqui se puede ver mas o menos lo que se está viendo en esta rama en cuanto a diferencias se refiere:
Todas con maximo oc por aire, se ve perfectamente que aun a 1600/2100 no la puede superar, y eso que la 780Ti va a 1291
y fijo que tiene throttling aun con el venti al 100%.Un saludo :risitas:
Este era mi as en la manga:
Unlocking the Nvidia Power Limit (all cards!) | Overclocking.Guide
Dejo la discusión me aburre soberanamente, si tu 780ti rinde mas, supera mis 7 bencheos donde iba a tope (metro destartalo ya que iba a medio gas) cuando me superes en los siete con tus bloques y rl te dare la razón hasta entonces no cambio de idea. Ya te dije que las kepler tiraban algo mas al principio. Al cabo de los meses eso fue cambiando. Y a dia de hoy eso es una realidad. Si compartes esa opinion demuéstralo tu mismo con tus propias pruebas y las adjuntas al hilo como he hecho yo.
Si me superas en todos con holgura (pues dices que se la come ) me quitare el sombrero y te daré la razón sin problema. Pero deberías superaros todos… sino te habré owneado de nuevo.
Salu2 y a la espera de tus pruebas (propias, no de webs)
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This was my trump card:
Unlocking the Nvidia Power Limit (all cards!) | Overclocking.Guide
I leave the discussion as it bores me immensely, if your 780ti performs better, surpass my 7 benchmarks where I went full throttle (I stopped measuring as it was running at half throttle) when you surpass me in all seven with your blocks and RL I will give you credit until then I won't change my mind. I already told you that Kepler cards initially performed a bit better. Over the months that changed. And today that's a reality. If you share that opinion, demonstrate it yourself with your own tests and attach them to the thread as I have done.
If you surpass me in all of them by a wide margin (since you say you can eat it up) I will take my hat off and give you credit without any problem. But you should surpass all of them... otherwise I will have owned you again.
Best regards and waiting for your tests (your own, not from websites)
But let's see... I'm flabbergasted, your trump card? :ugly:
You can spot a liar faster than a cripple, I bet you've been looking all day for how to raise the voltage to 1.31v and you're trying to sell me the power limit unlocking mod :dead: (or what's the same, the power target mod) as if I were a total noob and you're completely mistaken...
I'm going to explain what the mod is for... It's for nothing, absolutely nothing, and I'll explain why:
The only thing you're doing is removing the SMDs that act as shunt resistors on the PCB, or in other words, increasing the card's TDP by removing a protection against watt/ampere overvoltage, replacing it with a conductive material like silver paint (yes, that which many of us used to connect the pins on Athlons that had their multipliers unlocked).
In no case will it provide more voltage and instead it's very possible that you'll end up frying either the voltage regulator, the card, or, through excessive overclocking, damaging the power supply if it doesn't have OCP.
The funny thing is that you release this as if you did the same thing via BIOS in the power table section, which means you don't know how to modify BIOS, not a clue about the subject (another catch), moreover, the author of the guide tells you that if you already have a modded BIOS (like Skynet) this won't bring you any benefit...
What he doesn't say is that those shunt SMDs are the ones that lower the frequency when you go too far with the voltage and prevent the chip or the controller from frying...
Moreover... if you force the fixed frequency via BIOS by disabling boost and also by unlocking the voltage and power limit, what will happen to you with a lot of luck is that the OCP of the power supply will trip and either the PC will shut down or restart.
That is, if you haven't fried any of the previously mentioned parts, lucky you...
Now that in Metro LL I get more FPS, you come with synthetic tests, before with 1.31v, then you weren't going full throttle and so on... in other forums with peaks of 1800 MHz on the GPU (without voltmod and with ref PCB, come on... :wall: )
If you've been banned and kicked from so many forums it's because of things like this...
Before it was in games, now we only limit ourselves to asking in 3Dmark, where you know I'll have to push to the limit to tell you again that I've surpassed you and by a lot, when I do it will be that I'm going with water and you by air (although the test is favorable to Maxwell).
The funny thing is that in the middle of a heatwave and with a GPU with a 73% ASIC and throttling I'm taking the credit (the one that others ask for so much and fewer reviews... ) another thing is that it's not convenient for you to see it...
I still have to wait for my classi to arrive and for another friend's to arrive, I don't want to tell you where the comparison between custom vs custom will end up.
Well, goodbye...
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Damn, how nice it is to have a popcorn thread like this every now and then. :sisi:
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Damn, how nice it is to have a popcorn thread like this every now and then. :sisi:
Make room, the curves are coming, I'm already ahead in Firestrike and by AIRE:
I had to disable boost in bios because of throttling and increase the maximum fan speed from 85 to 100% so that it doesn't fry with the reference cooler and can tolerate more mhz.
The rest is as you can read in the gpu-z bios at home. I have more data but for now I'm not going to upload them XD.
Best regards.
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The logical and normal thing is that if someone uploads tests and performance of their units, the one who intends to refute them does not dive into the internet to look for the best possible results, but rather, having in possession the exact model in question, they should pass tests and performance on the units of that user.
It is as basic as the principle of equal opportunities. Not to mention that there are units on Mars that, taking advantage of the low temperatures of the Martian winter, reach unheard-of speeds.
There is no ounce of grace in uploading one's own results so that they can be "refuted" with a selection of the best results in each test among the thousands and thousands of results uploaded on the internet. It is just basic.
Apart from this, I see that beyond the acute reviewitis of some, there is genuine love in the air. I want a photo of the passionate kiss, the one at the end of the movie.
On the other hand, the debate 970 vs 780 Ti is sterile in itself, when one goes to hell for having low performance, surely the other will suffer the same. That is, you do not win any fundamental battle by demonstrating that one is 0.000001% faster than the other.
:love:
I quote myself because I love seeing debates where the differences in a test after several attempts and "yours is longer" "mine is longer" are left at:
+0.598% in favor of the 780 Ti with OC.
Yessss…. indeed. 14197 points in the graphics tests on the GTX 970 side, 14282 of the 780 Ti. OC to death in the second and possibly in the first (I am clear that almost 1300 in a GK110 is approaching its absolute limits, unfortunately in the GTX 970 1449 in a BOOST ACTIVATED does not tell us anything, it is a frequency in principle low for the GM204 although that depends on how much the boost adds to the chip, if it is closer to 1500 or 1600 MHz, etc).
Great score, without a doubt this totally transforms the panorama in favor of the 780 Ti.
I think you do not realize how ridiculous it sounds to those of us who see the competition from the outside when you talk about "crushing" one graphics card or the other by differences of almost half a percentage point, or shaving less than a frame difference in games... :ugly:
The minimum sensible thing would be to recognize the equality of results when the differences are so negligible. But no, popcorn and let this war of attrition and Pyrrhic victories continue.
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Summary of the thread:
[…]Javisoft takes the best of your 780ti and tries to beat some of my results when I had the 970 (and note that it was the bad one, since I sold the good one before those benchmarks) many of those results without a modified bios.
Let's see when you beat them…ji ji ji... in games a 970 with oc max I already tell you that surpasses a 780ti also at max oc in many cases. (remember that I had two blacks top notch... and also sli 970 pretty decent) Admit it already man...[…]
Ale you already have entertainment to prove the superiority of one of your 780ti watercooled vs a 970 with reference pcb air cooled (that is if you had, good dissipation):sisi:Get ready for some curves, I'm already ahead in Firestrike and by AIR:
I had to disable boost in bios because of throttling and increase the maximum fan speed from 85 to 100% so that it doesn't fry with the reference cooler and tolerate more mhz.
The rest as you can read in the gpu-z bios at home. I have more data but for now I'm not going to upload them XD.
Best regards.
[…]+0,598% in favor of the 780 Ti with OC.[…]
[…]Great score, this definitely changes the landscape in favor of the 780 Ti.[…]
Point made.
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I quote myself because I love seeing debates where the differences in a test after several attempts and "you more" "mine is longer" are reduced to:
+0.598% in favor of the 780 Ti with OC.
Siiii…. indeed. 14197 points in the graphics tests on the GTX 970 side, 14282 for the 780 Ti. OC to death in the second and possibly in the first (I'm sure that almost 1300 in a GK110 is approaching its absolute limits, unfortunately in the GTX 970 1449 in a BOOST ACTIVATED doesn't tell us anything, it's a frequency in principle low for the GM204 although that depends on how much the boost adds to the chip, if it's closer to 1500 or 1600 MHz, etc).
Great score, without a doubt this completely transforms the landscape in favor of the 780 Ti.
I think you don't realize how ridiculous it sounds to those of us watching the competition from the outside when you talk about "crushing" one card or the other by differences of almost half a percentage point, or shaving less than a frame difference in games... :ugly:
The minimum sensible thing would be to recognize the equality of results when the differences are so negligible. But no, popcorn and let this war of attrition and Pyrrhic victories continue.
Do we better not talk about the 9.22% I put in heaven? Or the almost 6% in metro? :ugly: What a coincidence, thank goodness I'm on air and water the reference will make more foam. What a shame that you have to rely on what interests you, 3Dmark, it's well known that kepler scores less... in tomb raider it would have been even more of a percentage difference, but no, I'm stubborn on air, when I see that it's not possible to get more performance, I'll switch to water and we'll talk again ;D.
You take the data as you like and the comeback is yours and you'll have even more, I guarantee it.
For now, above all the data I'm showing, when I have them all we'll see in how many I'm below, but let me anticipate it, it's sure to have to do with 3Dmark, because of course, it passes tests everywhere, but only puts the ones it's interested in, lest it get caught with X fps in some game and be exposed...
I'm following his script, the one he's interested in, when it ends, I'll present mine and we'll see the excuses flow down the river...
For now you're not affirming as in other places that the 970 is faster, now it's a little slower, the next thing is that you see what many websites have been showing for a long time, a 7% in favor of kepler on average...
Then you can cry about the boost of the 970 as much as you want, the result will be the same.
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