What is the purpose of the HL News subforum?

[cobito]

As mentioned here, each entry on the front page will have a thread for comments in the forum. The question is, where should that thread go, in the HL News subforum or in the subforum corresponding to its discipline?

Regarding the second option, this thread corresponding to this entry would go to the "Processors" subforum.

[Fassou]

It would probably be better if they went to their category and then those who are more active (or are nominated by "pro" users) are highlighted on one side, and the most recent ones in another section (smaller), so that they are integrated into the front page.

In the end, Mr. Cobito has managed to become the owner of the forum, not before throwing it away, as tradition dictates :troll:

I mean, if I don't put the meme, I'll explode ;D

Cheers!

PD: Thanks for letting us continue to enjoy this community

[Espinetenbolas]

I think the right thing is to go to a news subforum... because it's news.

It could be a new chip or it could be the announcement of a new range of cards or the bankruptcy of a manufacturer that does everything... if you remove this news subforum where do you put a news about Zalman Bankruptcy in ¿cajas?... ¿disipadores?.... ¿Ref liquida?.... ¿perifericos?

The problem is the approach you want to give to the community... that is primordial.

If you want to generate a lot of traffic and the community to grow by the nose you are going to have to differentiate between your editorial line and what are discussion forums about other issues.

The same as if you do reviews... you need a subforum for reviews... be they peripherals, graphics cards of 1000€ or a USB 4.0 of 12Tb of the size of a coin... you comment on the review... do you do raffles?... raffle sub... do you buy sell?... okay here it is private ¬¬ but that forum has less movement than Espinete's eyes. :troll:

I don't control this or I'm not going to say this is right or this is wrong... enough that there are people who have been interested in maintaining this forum... what I do think is that you have to decide if you want an active forum that generates a lot of traffic or if you want to maintain the same line.

Obviously one way is the easy one and the other is the uphill one of blood, sweat, tears and possibly more than one :wall::wall::wall::wall::wall: in what the hell were you thinking.

What I want to say is that the best thing is to see what others do that works and copy it but always keeping in mind what you want to do with the forum.

[cobito]

@Espinetenbolas:

Yo opino que lo correcto es que vaya a un subforo de noticias… porque es una noticia.

La cuestión es que la portada no es sólo para noticias, sino que también se pueden publicar reviews, opiniones, guías e incluso simples enlaces a hilos del foro que alguien considere relevantes. Entiendo que quienes queréis la portada en el Noticias HL, queréis que las noticias (novedades) vayan ahí y no al subforo específico.

Es decir, que si yo mañana publico una charla sobre dos tipos explicando cómo se fabrica un procesador desde cero en una conferencia de hace un año, eso no va en Noticias HL sino en procesadores. Pero que si mañana publico la entrevista a ingeniero de Intel explicando las dificultades técnicas que están teniendo para poner en producción los Kaby Lake, aunque la temática sea similar, esto sí va en Noticias HL porque es una novedad.

@Espinetenbolas:

Puede ser un nuevo chip o puede ser la el anuncio de una nueva gama de tarjetas o la quiebra de un fabricante que hace de todo… si quitas es subforo de noticias donde metes una noticia de Zalman Quiebra en ¿cajas?... ¿disipadores?.... ¿Ref liquida?.... ¿perifericos?

De acuerdo en que hay noticias que no encajan en ningún sitio, pero para eso existe el Foro General HardLimit. Eso no sería un problema.

@Espinetenbolas:

El problema es el enfoque que se le quiera dar a la comunidad… eso es primordial.

Si quieres que se genere mucho tráfico y que la comunidad crezca por narices vas a tener que diferenciar entre tu línea editorial y lo que son foros de discusión sobre otras cuestiones.

Las entradas de portada no tienen ninguna línea editorial. Yo publico las cosas de esa forma porque es la costumbre que tengo de mi blog. Otro forero tendrá otro estilo más formal. Y otro puede hablar de un tema con cierto cachondeo. En eso no hay restricciones. Cada uno es libre de publicar como le plazca (siempre sin incumplir las normas del foro).

No pretendo dar ningún enfoque a la comunidad. Considero que la comunidad, en su idiosincrasia, está perfecta como está. Pero HardLimit tiene un grave problema y es que está prácticamente muerta. La principal razón es que hace mucho que no entran usuarios nuevos para quedarse y los usuarios que vienen de paso no suelen aportar prácticamente nada.

El objetivo de los cambios es animar a los visitantes que vienen de paso a que se queden. Y desde mi experiencia sé que una forma, es ofrecer contenido nuevo de forma periódica. Si se publicara una media de una entrada al día en la portada, en cuestión de pocos meses el número de visitas se incrementaría muy significativamente y con ello la actividad en el foro aumentando las probabilidades de que haya quienes se sienten a gusto y se queden.

Y eso es lo que quiero, porque no veo otra forma de evitar que el foro acabe muriendo.

@Espinetenbolas:

Yo de esto no controlo ni voy a decir esto así está bien o esto así está mal… bastante que hay gente que se ha interesado en mantener este foro... lo que sí que opino es que hay que decidir si se quiere un foro activo y que genere mucho tráfico o si se quiere mantener la misma línea.

Sinceramente, no creo que haya elección en este aspecto. Mantener esta línea ha hecho que sea cada vez más habitual ver el foro sin ni una sola respuesta en días. Y esta dinámica sólo hace que lo que hoy son unos días, dentro de unos meses sean semanas y en pocos años sea raro ver el mes en que alguien publica algo.

De hecho, la razón por la que Packo ha decidido dejar el foro en manos de otra persona es precisamente evitar que acabe muriendo.

@Espinetenbolas:

Evidentemente una forma es la fácil y la otra es la cuesta sangre, sudor, lágrimas y posiblemente más de un :wall::wall::wall::wall::wall: en qué leches estaba pensando.

Lo que quiero decir es que lo mejor es ver lo que hacen otros que funciona y copiarlo pero siempre teniendo en mente lo que se quiere hacer con el foro.

¿A qué te refieres con las dos formas: una fácil y otra difícil?

[cobito]

With such a close result, I will maintain the current status: news in HL News.

Front-page entries that are not news will go in their respective forum.

[Espinetenbolas]

@cobito:

The point is that the front page is not just for news, but you can also post reviews, opinions, guides, and even simple links to forum threads that someone considers relevant. I understand that those of you who want the front page in HL News want the news (new releases) to go there and not to the specific subforum.

I think we need to differentiate between bringing up a topic and discussing it in the appropriate subforum, and commenting on a news post published by HL… when I say news, I mean reviews, I mean content that is generated and that you are given the option to comment on.

Obviously, the front page should be an attractive product that gives you information at a glance and also leads not only to commenting on news and other things but to participating in the rest of the forums.

@cobito:

That is to say, if tomorrow I publish a talk about two guys explaining how to manufacture a processor from scratch at a conference from a year ago, that doesn't go in HL News but in processors. But if tomorrow I publish the interview with an Intel engineer explaining the technical difficulties they are having to put Kaby Lake into production, although the theme is similar, this does go in HL News because it's a novelty.

Obviously you can't mix everything but if you generate content yourself, it's obvious that you should place it in the forum as appropriate.

@cobito:

The front page entries don't have any editorial line. I publish things that way because it's the custom I have from my blog. Another forum member will have a more formal style. And another can talk about a topic with a certain level of humor. There are no restrictions on that. Everyone is free to publish as they please (always without breaking the forum rules).

Well, if you publish or disseminate news, you are generating content and you do it through a certain criterion… that's your editorial line

@cobito:

I don't intend to give any approach to the community. I believe that the community, in its idiosyncrasy, is perfect as it is. But HardLimit has a serious problem and it's that it's practically dead. The main reason is that it's been a long time since new users came in to stay and the users who come by are usually not contributing practically anything.

Yes, unfortunately it has become a community where you copy/paste a doubt… it's not a reference forum and there are days when there are no new posts.

@cobito:

The goal of the changes is to encourage visitors who come by to stay. And from my experience, I know that one way is to offer new content periodically. If an average of one entry per day were published on the front page, in a matter of a few months the number of visits would increase very significantly and with it the activity in the forum, increasing the chances that there will be those who feel comfortable and stay.

And that's what I want, because I don't see another way to prevent the forum from dying.

Honestly, I don't think there's a choice in this aspect. Maintaining this line has made it increasingly common to see the forum without a single response for days. And this dynamic only makes what today are a few days, in a few months be weeks and in a few years it will be rare to see the month in which someone publishes something.

In fact, the reason why Packo has decided to leave the forum in the hands of another person is precisely to avoid it from dying

Indeed, if no measures are taken, the forum will end up dying.

@cobito:

What do you mean by the two ways: an easy one and a hard one?

I meant that you can leave it as it is or make changes to reactivate Hardlimit… which is much harder because it's not just about changing things for the sake of changing them but changing them to improve visits, make the community interesting... etc.

I think the first step is to make a front page similar in content to TechPowerUP which is linked to its forum and community… as well as its surveys and a summary of new discussion posts, popular threads, latest drivers... in fact, the front page entries are published in the forum but are visualized differently as if it were a news portal and then the comments are the same... that is, on the front page, the forum is seen without the aspect of a forum.

It's just to give an example of what I think would work to improve since other portals differentiate the portal from the forum and I think it's a mistake not to integrate them... because the portal with a lot of content but the forum is another thing.

[cobito]

@Espinetenbolas:

Si, unfortunately it has become more of a community where copy/pasting a question… it's not a reference forum and there are days when there are no new posts.

For me those users are not part of the community. They are just individuals who come by and then if they've seen you they don't remember. The HL community is at the bottom of the forums page where it says "Total of registered users who have visited us today". Most of them read but don't participate and one of the goals is to get them active again because I know they have a lot to contribute and they are the ones who can take this site to a new level.

In addition to the more veteran users it is necessary for new people to join who are part of the community. The truth is that all those who enter, register, ask questions and then leave are users who are not interesting to me. But they are inevitable so that some of them, someday, decide to stay and become part of the community.

@Espinetenbolas:

I meant that it can be left as it is or changes can be made to reactivate Hardlimit… which is much harder because it's not just about changing things for the sake of changing them but changing them to improve visits, make the community interesting... etc.

I think the first step is to make a front page similar in content to TechPowerUP which is linked to its forum and community… as well as its surveys and a summary of new discussion posts, most popular threads, latest drivers... in fact the front page entries are published in the forum but are displayed differently as if it were a news portal and then the comments are the same... that is, the front page shows the forum without the aspect of a forum.

This is my goal but as I said in another thread, it's something I can't do alone. I have a limited time with which I can publish two, three or at most four entries a week. More people need to get involved.

@Espinetenbolas:

It's just to give an example of what I think would work to improve since other portals differentiate the portal from the forum and I think it's a mistake not to integrate them… because the portal is good with a lot of content but the forum is something else.

Although the front page uses a different system from the forum, my goal is to finish integrating both parts by doing some of the things you've mentioned like showing the latest discussions on the front page or the latest entries in the forum. I don't want two independent systems and for the most part that's why I want to force the use of the forum to comment on the front page entries.