PC Gamer to play 3,000 €

[Fassou]

Hello

I'll leave you some comments from abuelo cebolleta that could be useful to you:

For gaming, almost any i5 micro with 4 cores will cover you, better obviously the higher the model (example 9600K or 9600KF)

If you want silence, Be Quiet! has very interesting solutions in cases, power supplies and heatsinks

With an 850W 80+ Gold power supply you have more than enough (always better, brands of manufacturers, like Seasonic, Enermax,...)

Better 2x16GB than 4x8GB for this platform

About the hard drive, look for the best price €/Gb, and better some redundancy, for example instead of one 6TB, put two 4TB, and personally I would choose Seagate and avoid the special models for NAS and video, which the bad tongues say that without a RAID controller to manage them, they end up giving more problems than the normal ones.

Windows, always better Pro versions

About the motherboard, MSI are in fashion in the gossip about hardware, and has many models

About the sound, to take advantage of the speakers you can use the integrated one, but if you need a "Premium" sound it's a matter of taste (I don't have a very fine ear)

And with all the money you save, you spend it on the graphics

Bye!

[whoololon]

I love these threads of stirring up trouble with other people's gunpowder.

The thing about wanting a computer to stretch it as far as possible, but without overclocking capability, I understand it but it's not their thing. At least the motherboard's chipset should be able to support it, so that in the years to come we would only have to get a second-hand unlocked micro and overclock it.

On the storage issue I agree with Fassou, "many little ones are better than a few big ones"; so, I propose setting up a RAID 10 with four 3 TB drives, leaving 6 TB of space and maximizing read/write speed even if access times remain the same. Regarding the SSD, I think that NVMes still have no reason to be in a home computer, a SATA interface is enough.

The power supply issue, I would bet on EVGA, and in any case a UPS; in that store they don't have much repertoire, so I would get the best they have in terms of pseudo-sinusoidal: this one. It will not only give us time to safely shut down the computer, but it will also serve as a stabilizer, leaving that job to the power supply, although it is normal, it is not the most sensible thing to do.

I also agree that what suits you best is to get the most powerful graphics card you can afford, and if you skip AMD, directly a 2080Ti.

Then there would be the issue of the monitor, but there it depends on whether we prefer FPS, or resolution and detail.

Anyway, I love getting my hopes up. Here's my proposal.

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[Durin5000]

Hello, thanks to Fassou and whoololon for responding.

My idea was large capacity hard drives thinking about the future, if now there are games that take up 50 GB to know what they will take up in 5 years (in a 6 TB drive I would only fit half a game...). The RAID thing I don't quite see clear, I lack knowledge and I'm very lazy.

I will buy the PC assembled and tested, I need to choose the parts and the store, before I was clear that it would be PC Components, but now I'm hesitating between that and Coolmod and Wipoid, looking a little at the 3 they have bad reviews. I have ruled out Amazon because I don't want to assemble the computer myself.

Regards.

[Obione]

If you're not in a hurry, I recommend waiting for the new AMDs to come out, the x8 will do the same job for half the cost.

As for power supply, with 650W you can already run a 2080 Ti and with a 80+ Bronze from a reputable brand (75€) you get enough quality, but if you have the budget, go for a 750 Gold, I recommend the Seasonic Focus (105€).

For a case, I recommend a Fractal R series, the model that you like the most, there are several colors, normal/window and different connectors (USB-C, etc.).

For memory, if it's for an AMD, a FlareX 2x8GB is enough for today. If it's not enough tomorrow, you can add two more modules, the worst that can happen is that you need to lower the speed of the profile a bit.

For 4K and if you have the money, the Ti seems like the right card for you.

P.S.: The motherboard for the AMD, until we know the new ones, should be ATX to go with a quality that matches what the x8 demands. Starting from an MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC (140€ although out of stock) I would recommend, or well without the starting, it's enough, I wouldn't spend more.

[amd125]

To everything said, I think buying such a large hard drive is not necessary. A good SSD (you decide the capacity but at the current price not less than 500 Gigas) a mechanical drive that you could use from your previous computer and the rest external drives. I have an external drive of 6 TB, a WD and I connect it very little. With the SSD I have more than enough for the use I give to the computer. But you have to see what use you give it. I used to have an SSD and several mechanical ones, but when I realized that I gave little use to the mechanical ones, and in the end they generated noise, I put them in an external casing as well and that was it. I have more than 10 TB in mechanical drives and none connected right now. So at most connect one type of 2 TB if you mount an SSD of 1 TB or similar.

I think 32 Gigas of Ram is good for it to last you years, although for gaming and office work 16 would be more than enough for a while. The processor, if money is not a problem, the I9 that you indicate but... as they indicate to you, the new AMD ones are coming out soon that promise an IPC (power per core more or less explained in a simple way) similar or slightly superior to Intel, at a better price and with more cores. Decent air cooler and off you go.

I recommend holding on with the 1440p monitor. Because if you buy a 4K you will be able to enjoy some games at full capacity and in a short time you will see that not all games run smoothly. Unfortunately 4K is a very demanding resolution and for years now graphics cards have come out that seem like they are worth it for 4K and in a short time they fall short. Now, if you want to enjoy that equipment for a while at 4K and you don't see a problem with lowering details or even resolutions in a few years... then go ahead.

Don't skimp on the power supply. I would look for one with a Gold certificate or similar, Modular, and if possible that the fan came into operation under high load. For example, in my power supply in Windows the fan does not activate, it is a pleasure that the only thing you hear from the equipment is the CPU fan because the graphics card fan also doesn't work under low load.

And little more, think about the monitor, maybe a good 144Hz monitor of 24-27" is better than a 32" 4k. Depending on the type of games you use.

[Obione]

There are comments about Ryzen 2, the boss is going to give a speech at the end of May at Computex and along with the rumors that TSMC is not producing at a good pace, it could be that they are delayed, maybe they will really be announced there and land in the middle of the year

In any case I wouldn't put money into Intel, which by the way, it is also rumored that they are coming with 10 cores this year and supposedly they plan to announce them in the middle of the year.

I would honestly look for a Ryzen at a good price with the idea of moving to Ryzen 2 or its evolution. If it already gobbles up a lot with an i9, I'm afraid of the x10. It's a x2 of spending on micro and motherboard that I don't see justified.

[whoololon]

@durin5000 The most common are Aussar, PCComponentes, CoolMod, Wipoid, in no particular order. Amazon, simply because of the tax issue, can afford to play in another league, and the day it offers assembly and testing (which I don't think will happen, but it's a possibility) it will finish off practically all computer stores.

If they're going to send you the team already prepared, you don't have to worry about RAID because it will already come configured and partitioned as you requested. (That's how I did it, but don't let anyone know.)

I understand that it's a personal choice, but I insist that you need it; even more so if you finally mount large capacity disks, because when a 6 TB disk starts to fail, there's a lot of data that you'll have to move.

Apart from that, from 3 TB onwards, they are disks for pure storage, with terrible transfer rates; a suitable RAID configuration, as I already pointed out, also minimizes this deficiency.

I must also agree with my colleagues on the fact of preferring AM4 over 115X, despite the fact that Intel is undeniably a bit better in games; the reason is the obsolescence of the platform, unless Intel does something unusual and maintains an architecture for more than five years (yes, I was laughing as I was writing it), because for some time they have been releasing a "new" one (note the quotation marks) every two or three years.

The worst thing that can happen to you with Intel is that in five years the motherboard will fail and you'll find that there are only low-end new motherboards, and the high-end ones are sold at a premium on the second-hand market.

Always, of course, take it all as suggestions.

@amd125 said in PC Gamer to play 3,000 €:

And little more, think about the monitor, maybe a good 144Hz monitor of 24-27" is better than a 32" 4k

QFT

[Durin5000]

I really appreciate the comments and advice.

My idea was an SSD for the operating system, an HDD to install games and programs, and another HDD to store data (videos, photos, downloads, etc.). Now I'm having doubts, I think I'll follow your advice and buy 1 SSD and 4 HDDs of 2 or 3 TB in RAID 10 mode. Do I need a separate controller or does the motherboard already include what's needed? Do I have to mess with the BIOS to set up RAID mode?

I'll buy the monitor later, for now I'm managing with the one I have of 27" (but I'm attracted to large monitors, big donkey whether it walks or not).

Putting 32 GB of memory is not for the games, I edit videos for work occasionally and use Photoshop, it's not all going to be gaming.

Regards. Antonio.

[whoololon]

@durin5000 RAID 0, 1 and 5 can be configured both by hardware and software, each with its advantages and disadvantages. The rest of the levels depend on the motherboard's chipset; you can get a separate controller, but you must bear in mind that a hardware RAID will only work with the controller with which you create it, which is why I recommend using the one on the motherboard for everything that is not level 0, 1 or 5.

In any case, as I mentioned before, if you are going to buy the pre-assembled equipment and with the software pre-installed, simply indicate what level of RAID you want and how you need the drives to be partitioned; when the equipment arrives at your house you will not have to worry about anything else.

RAM, as I always say, is never too much; even putting in 64 GB, which now may seem like overkill, you can set up a RAMDisk and a RAMCache and you will have the fastest machine west of your neighborhood.

[Durin5000]

https://www.pccomponentes.com/configurador/Dc1305F73

I have changed the case, the HDDs and some other things. There are few cases that can accommodate an internal DVD drive, 4 HDDs and be quiet, I am about to remove the DVD drive or share an external one.

Greetings. Antonio.

[Fassou]

@durin5000 Buy an external DVD burner, which will serve you better, and so you can use it on laptops and whenever you want.

W10 Home? A slap in the face! xD

Best regards!

[Durin5000]

@fassou I just don't see the advantages of Windows 10 Pro for a normal user, so I've seen the improvements of the Pro version are focused on companies and things like Bitlocker or support for 2TB memory that I don't need, I think? Or is there something I haven't considered?

Can I use a Slim drive as an external drive or is it only intended for laptops?

Regards. Antonio.

[Fassou]

@durin5000 My experience with Home versions is always related to strange problems with user themes (permissions and configuration) and network access, and with W10 things have gotten worse with all these mega patches they release every few months.

Regarding the burner, I recommend a cheap external one for the service it provides, especially now that laptops usually don't come with one.

If you use it a lot, put the internal one, but I can tell you that I have already removed the internal one from several computers, broken from old age and barely used, and no matter how cheap they are, it's usually not worth repeating the mistake, it's better to buy some good USB3 pencils, as physical discs are hardly used anymore, unless you tell me that in yours they are still used.

Salu2!

[_Neptunno_]

@durin5000 said in PC Gamer to play 3,000 €:

@fassou I don't quite see the advantages of Windows 10 Pro for a normal user, so I've seen the improvements of the Pro version are focused on companies and things like Bitlocker or support for 2TB memory that I don't need, I think? Or is there something I haven't taken into account?

Can I use a Slim drive as an external drive or is it only designed for laptops?

Best regards. Antonio.

Better Win 10 Pro, really and more so when you're going to build such a powerful machine. I've always noticed the Home versions (since Win XP) as second division and for more modest machines or users who don't even know what an OS is.

It's worth it, really. It's better to have more than to run out when we're talking about a PC where you invest a lot of money in.

Bitlocker is a marvel if you want more privacy/security with your data... plus you can encrypt USB drives and pen drives so they don't fall into the wrong hands.

Best regards.

[Durin5000]

@_neptunno_ Hello, thanks for the advice, I have already ordered the computer with Windows 10 Pro and 4 drives in RAID 10. If I'm lucky it will arrive in a couple of days.

Best regards.

[_Neptunno_]

@durin5000 We want photos when you ride it!!

[Durin5000]

The minesweeper in ultra graphics is going great

[amd125]

Well, enjoy the new computer and the cat. I really like the box, it's nice and understated.

[Obione]

[Modo Nvidia on] The quality of the photos is bad, too many photos of cables and case butts...

Now seriously, the cucumber is maximum and as a gatetes & pingpong lover I can only give you my dieses

Enjoy it!

[whoololon]

Nothing, nothing; performance, tests, user experience... data!