Phenom II X4 965 dead?

[AXUS]

Hello, first a greeting to everyone, after so much time I return to write here.
The topic, an acquaintance (who if I have little idea about the topic he has nothing) passed me a Msi 970 Gaming along with his fx8350 and the series cooler, the PC had been giving him problems (hangs) I say had because at this point it wouldn't even start.
Once the motherboard was in my hands, I dedicated myself to observe the board with attention (bulged capacitors, solders etc) I didn't see anything strange.
With the cooler in hand when I removed the fan, I saw the immense amount of shit accumulated (asked about the topic he said he had no idea, that his son was the one who used it and cleaned the PC, that he would pass a brush over it and that was it) with this I already thought that the micro had toasted.
Once cleaned, I took out the Fx and apparently I didn't see anything strange and all its pins are well aligned, I mounted Micro/ram/graphics, connected the power supply and 5 beeps which in Ami bios indicates a failure in the processor. As the micro of my PC is compatible with the Msi motherboard I put it in and it gives me the same failure 5 beeps, so I understand that not only the Fx is messed up but the motherboard is also wrong.
I passed the part to my colleague, and I set out to collect everything, I say that everything I used to test the Msi, I took it out of the closet and that I know they work, from my PC apart from the micro I didn't use anything, I say this because now it turns out that my PC doesn't work, it seems that the micro of my PC didn't take well the test, at first it didn't give video (I check the dvi cable, I change the connector, I look that I haven't left anything) and I still have no video signal.
Later I remove the battery, and I already have video.
But the PC freezes, but at each start I do it takes a little longer to freeze??
This morning I start it up and Voilà the bastard seems to work, Windows says it needs to restart (I see it as normal with so many hangs and so many shutdowns in a rough way), it restarts, it starts up, I enter my session, I open the explorer to look for something about the topic and after a while it freezes again, and the truth is I'm lost is it the micro's fault? the graphics?

What do you think

PD. After so much time I hope you forgive me for the long story I've unleashed on you

[cobito]

@AXUS It looks like the motherboard is the one causing the problem. If the Phenom II was fried, I don't think the motherboard would have beeped. A family member has a Phenom II X2 (I can't remember the model) in an environment that's not very friendly to electronics (a lot of airborne dust) and the heatsink gets dirty much more than usual. When the air stops flowing, the processor does frequency derating, but it's been there for 12 years and hasn't burned out. Obviously, it's cleaned periodically, but since I'm the one who does it and only occasionally, it's common for the processor to reach the operating temperature limit.

The problem you're having seems to be coming from the motherboard and, specifically, something related to the processor: socket, power mosfets or who knows. The processor is probably perfectly fine. And yours (the one you used to test), probably also.

Perhaps during the change, the pins on your CPU were dirty and you introduced that dirt into the socket. The fact that it freezes after being on for a while or that it takes different times to start up makes me think of something related to cooling. Have you connected the fan? Have you applied the thermal paste correctly?

[Sylver]

I'm with Mr. @cobito, it could be a bit of dirt, both in the socket and in the RAM slots (even if you hadn't removed them, just touching them a bit can cause these things to start failing). I would do a complete diagnosis from scratch, cleaning the RAM slots, PCI-e, and as much as possible carefully the socket (a little air to the micro between the pins wouldn't hurt either). A BIOS reset during the process could help, if there were still strange behaviors. Best regards

[AXUS]

@cobito said in Phenom II X4 965 caput?:

@AXUS It looks like the motherboard is messing up the CPU. If the Phenom II was fried, I don't think the motherboard would have beeped. A relative has a Phenom II X2 (I can't remember the model) in an environment not very friendly to electronics (a lot of suspended dust) and the cooler gets much dirtier than normal. When the air stops flowing, the CPU does frequency derating, but it's been there for 12 years and hasn't burned out. Obviously, it's cleaned periodically, but since I'm the one who does it and only occasionally, it's common for the processor to reach the operating temperature limit.

The problem you're having seems to come from the motherboard and, specifically, something related to the CPU: socket, power mosfets or who knows. The CPU is probably perfectly fine. And yours (the one you used to test), probably also.

Maybe during the change, the pins on your CPU were dirty and you introduced that dirt into the socket. The fact that it freezes after being on for a while or that it takes different times to boot makes me think of something related to cooling. Have you connected the fan? Have you applied the thermal paste correctly?

Hello, the pins on my CPU were clean, so they must have already been dirty, I suppose I would already have problems with my PC and that wasn't the case, I'm not arguing that they could have been damaged when putting the CPU on the MSI motherboard that supposedly doesn't work.
It takes different times to freeze, not to boot.
Of course, the fan is spinning and the thermal paste is applied correctly.

[AXUS]

@Sylver said in Phenom II X4 965 dead?:

I agree with @cobito, it could be a bit of dirt, both in the socket and in the RAM slots (even if you haven't removed them, just touching them a bit can cause these things to start failing).

I would do a complete diagnosis from scratch, cleaning the RAM slots, PCI-e, and as much as possible carefully the socket (a little air to the micro between the pins wouldn't hurt either).

A BIOS reset during the process could help, if there were still strange behaviors.

Regards

Tomorrow I'll get to it, I'll tell you how the cleaning went.

Thanks to both cobito and Sylver

[AXUS]

Problem solved, first I cleaned the slots and the motherboard, then the RAM and graphics card contacts, after putting it all together I checked that no pins were bent (although I was careful, I was a bit worried), they are all well aligned but some pins were smeared with thermal paste (I suppose that the Msi motherboard must have smeared its socket and when I put my micro in it smeared it) clean with isopropyl alcohol both the micro and the socket and ready.

Thanks for the help

[Fassou]

A peregrine idea from a misguided person.

If your micro took thermal paste on the pins just by plugging it into the suspicious board, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that "someone" put thermal paste on the socket, considering the large number of sites that encourage doing so to troll the unwary.

Best regards!

[AXUS]

I would attribute it more to the clumsiness of the one who is handling it, than to an act of bad faith, after all, he is the one who has something to lose and I don't lose anything, (with this covid thing, I have more than enough time).

Greetings

P.D. I still have the Msi motherboard and the other day I felt like messing around with it again, cleaning it thoroughly with isopropyl, it still gives the 5 beeps, but on another page it says: Five beeps. The motherboard has not detected RAM, or it is not compatible, we proceed to change its position or to change it for another. In many cases, the brand of the RAM influences a lot.
In another one it said that 5 beeps was a CPU problem?

[Fassou]

@AXUS Acting in good faith does not mean you are ill-advised.

Remember the iWave, or the many sites where you are encouraged to color your pupils red by throwing Tabasco

Salu2!

[Sylver]

@AXUS I wouldn't rule out that he was having problems detecting the RAM.
Try all the modules you have in the different slots if you have already cleaned them with a brush, to see if the whistle blows (I have personally "resurrected" many boards by being obsessed with memory).

If nothing works, it is likely that something in the socket is broken because it was started with thermal paste inside, but as @cobito said at the time, the processor will almost certainly be fine.

Regards

[AXUS]

@Sylver

Motherboard and micro resurrected, as if lost to the river, thorough cleaning of plaque, dismantled the three heatsinks, isopropyl without mercy with special emphasis on ram slots and socket.

Once again thank you, both you and Cobito for insisting that, at least the micro should work and make me busy with it day after day.

[AXUS]

Hello Msi, the heatsinks on the VRM and the north/bridge chipset are getting too hot.
The heatsink on the VRM has a thermal pad that appears to be in good condition, the one on the north/bridge chipset had solidified thermal paste, I put new paste on it, would a thermal pad be better?
I'm new to thermal pads, which brand is recommended?

[Sylver]

Hello @AXUS
Have you measured the temperature of them or did you notice it when you touched them? I say this because there are chipsets that literally burn at full performance, I don't know if this is the case with those on that board.
Below 60ºC there should be no problem, although even above some work, but around 70ºC the equipment usually turns off or fails. If this does not happen, I would worry more about putting good cooling in the case where the board is mounted.

If a heatsink had a thermal pad underneath, it's good that it continues to have it, except that it has disintegrated and no longer fulfills its function. If the thermal paste you put where it should be is of low quality, it might contribute to it dissipating heat a little worse, but in no case should it be a sufficient reason for the temperature to increase enormously.

Regards

[AXUS]

@Sylver said in Phenom II X4 965 caput?:

Hola @AXUS
Have you measured the temperature of the same or noticed it when touching it with your hand? I say this because there are chipsets that literally burn at full performance, I don't know if this is the case with the ones on that board.
Below 60ºC there should be no problem, although even above some work, but around 70ºC the system usually turns off or fails. If this does not happen, I would worry more about putting good cooling in the case where the board is mounted.

If a heatsink had a thermal pad underneath, it's good that it continues to have it, unless it has disintegrated and no longer fulfills its function. If the thermal paste you put where it should be is of low quality, it might contribute to dissipating the heat a little worse, but in no case should it be a sufficient reason for the temperature to increase enormously.

Regards

Hi as I am testing it, I have it on the desk without a case, I noticed it when I went to touch the micro's heatsink (which is an Amd, but I doubt it's for the fx, it's very small) I noticed more heat from the VRM and even more from the north/bridge chipset.
The thermal paste is Artic Mx2, I don't know how bad it will be.

[Sylver]

@AXUS That thermal paste is good. In principle, if the system is stable and does not have strange behaviors, there would be no need to worry. However, monitor the temperatures with some software to be at ease about it.

Regards