Inverted bottleneck?

[_Neptunno_]

@sylver said in Inverted bottleneck?:

@krampak It seems a clear example of the GPU bottleneck that Clipper was talking about.

Your CPU eats potatoes with the RX 580... No, in the end you'll all get rid of the RX 580 now that I've finally found one... Life is a joke

Best regards!

But the RX 580/590 (Polaris) was top of the range, before Vega appeared, in 2017. Krampak's i3 is from 2017, although it's true that it was practically like an i7 since it was 4/8.
So, being low-end in theory, the CPU should cause "something" of a bottleneck, but with some OC it will have a bit more performance and it's not a bad processor, despite being just an "i3" hehe. We must also look at the resolution at which you play, the graphics options enabled, programs running in the background and the optimization of the games.
Honestly, I don't think you have to worry about the GPU and CPU running at 100% to be concerned about the bottleneck issue, I would understand it as problematic (the PC is unbalanced) to see the GPU at 100% and the CPU below 30-40%. But of course that's in all games, not just a specific game because the optimization can play tricks on you and make you think what isn't.
Returning to Clipper's topic, I'm sure that if a test of the game was done with both teams at 720P, you would notice a lot of improvement in the Ryzen and how it gets the most out of the RX580. Certainly the CPU has some bottleneck, but it's sure to be good enough to play more than we think, only that for this game that Clipper is most interested in, the improvement isn't as noticeable.
By the way, good monitor, although to get the most out of the 165hz, you need a more powerful GPU and possibly you wouldn't go below an RTX 3080 to ensure good performance for a long time, we're talking about at least a 3070ti.

Best regards!

[Clipper]

@_neptunno_ so we'll have to wait until Friday "silly" to get the GPU, even though after seeing my "work schedule" I might be able to set up a tri SLI, just with the hours
Regards

[Sylver]

@krampak Well you're right, the 8350K is theoretically even a bit weak for the RX580, I hadn't done the calculation... Unless the micro's OC makes it far surpass the graphics, something must not be going well...

[_Neptunno_]

@sylver but that it is at 57% CPU usage should not mean that the performance is bad, just that the processor does not need to use all its potential. I have read on the Steam forum people complaining about having the CPU at 100% and having stutters in the game because of other applications running in the background. What I don't understand in this case is the use that WOW will make of it, no matter how CPU demanding it is, if the 8350k is up to the task, it should not be necessary to be at 100%.
Surely with the classic Tomb Raiders the CPU is at 2% and the graphics the same hahaha

Greetings!!

[Sylver]

@_neptunno_ Yes, I guess it will be a matter of trying it out in more games to see how the CPU and GPU behave under other conditions.

Man of course, with the old Tomb Raiders, the components don't even wake up hahaha

Greetings!

[Clipper]

Out of boredom today I tried it. The ARK with high settings, everything on high and something on "epic"
78 stable FPS and the GPU at 100% CPU RAM and other things at most at 15%
So the issue of the bottleneck... seems like not.
Regards

[defaultuser]

Hello.

No, that percentage is not a direct indicator of, let's say, how much gpu you have left.

I have read that it is not so, and I have also observed it for myself. Apparently, only if the graphics card starts doing something "worthy of its capabilities" will it approach or hit that 100%, but that is not net performance, it still has a lot of juice left.
The gpu's performance ceiling is reached when the framerate starts to drop, or rather, it is being reached. When the framerate is not satisfactory with the graphics quality you want to have then your graphics card has hit the ceiling.

As for the "bottleneck", whoever reads this is going to think that the graphics card is getting less performance because of working with a bigger micro Jjj, if you came across an opportunity for a top-notch graphics card, and then you weren't enjoying it because you couldn't upgrade the micro, that would be a big hassle.

Come on, without beating around the bush, we all love updating hardware

By the way, what graphics options are you thinking about when the time comes?

[Clipper]

@defaultuser
Well, in my case, if the economy allows it at the time...
To double...
I mean, if I have one with 8 GB
Look for something with 10 or 16 GB of VRAM
And a preference for AMD.
Regards

[jordiqui]

I think like krampak, if the game uses all the cores of the GPU, then it will be full loaded, as the CPU would be if the game used the CPU basically, as in the case of chess programs, but reading this, you make me doubt too (I have to try an engine that uses CUDA, to see if I can put a graph of the use of the Nvidia RTX3060).

[Clipper]

Hello.
I am thinking about changing the GPU
Which is the last thing I need to update.
The current one is an rx580 xfx 8 gigas
My monitor is only compatible with AMD (I know there are options to use the "greens") but I prefer, unless someone says it's a mistake to use the reds (AMD).
The idea would be a series lower than the top, that is, an RX 5800xt
With 16 gs of RAM
And the time would be Black Friday
The budget now would be 600/700 €
For Black Friday I can raise it, but it's not planned...
I hope they lower the price something.
And in case I have a lot of money left over, I can go up to the 5900 XT series
Is it really worth it?
What do you think?

[defaultuser]

@clipper I have no idea how things are going, but I think they will ask you for the resolution you will play at, if you want to have high framerates and others.
But on the other hand, I understand that you want to find out what is worth it the most at the moment within those price ranges.
Let's see what they comment. I bought it refurbished at a low price (I even had to finish refurbishing it myself because of a blow it seems it received), and I didn't complicate myself too much either because I have been disconnected for a long time, and getting something with a minimum for very cheap was enough for me.

[Clipper]

@defaultuser 1920/1080 resolution
240Hz
Currently about 60 FPS/s in medium quality
Looking for about 90 Fps /s in ultra at minimum
In day z
P.d if anyone wants to play I'm on activerole
Regards

[defaultuser]

@clipper said in Inverted bottleneck?:

P.d if anyone wants to play I'm on activerole

Do you play games with people from here?, What do you give them?

[Clipper]

@defaultuser said in Inverted bottleneck?:

@clipper said in Inverted bottleneck?:

P.d if anyone wants to play I'm on activerole

Do you play with people from here? What do you play?

The last time I played with people from this server was batellfield and OGame
Best regards

[Clipper]

I've seen the shafire "offer" for €699.88, I'll get it for €552 as the company has it on sale. Do you think it will go down more on Black Friday or is it not worth waiting? According to the PcComponentes tables, it has never gone below that price.
The only "but" is that I only tried that assembler once many years ago and I don't know what it's like today, shapphire.
The graphics card is this:
https://www.pccomponentes.com/sapphire-nitro-amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-gaming-16gb-gddr6
Best regards

[_Neptunno_]

@clipper well it's hard to know honestly, but if you get that graphics card for less than 600€ I think it's a good price. However, the fact that the RX7000 is about to come out would make me wait a bit to see how it performs... or if it will make them drop even more, on Black Friday they might drop that graphics card even more or have deals... mmmm I mean we don't have a crystal ball to predict what will happen.
In my case, I can wait for the GPU because I have more than enough with the 1080TI but if I had an RX580 and wanted to upgrade, that 6800XT must be a beast. It might drop a bit on Black Friday but... imagine it's 50€... that's money, but you're also in doubt whether to take the plunge or not for that additional discount. Mind you, this is just speculation... although I doubt it will drop more than 600-550€ for that graphics card until they run out of stock unless something weird happens. I think they'll rename it RX 7600XT or something like that and sell it hahaha.

Best regards!!

[Clipper]

@_neptunno_
Well I think it's going to crash.
Good...
It crashed. I'll have it tomorrow or the day after.
I'll comment and run some tests to compare.
I hope to have a pc for about 3 years .
Regards

[_Neptunno_]

@clipper Well I hope you upload photos, and in conditions to enjoy the views

Enjoy it!!

[Clipper]

@_neptunno_ said in Inverted bottleneck?:

@clipper Well I hope you upload photos, and in conditions to enjoy the views

Enjoy it!!

That's done.
Which synthetic test do you prefer?
Regards.
P.d I'll get it tomorrow and I'm working over the weekend, but I'll make some time.
Regards 2

[defaultuser]

It may be that the 7000s will not displace general market prices until after the holiday season, due to their release during the period of assured sales.
At the same time, when new products come out, their prices, and what they really improve, often the previous ones with a good price/performance ratio become top sellers and revalue.

That is, unless the current series still drops more during the holiday season and the release of the 7000s, you would already have to wait a few months to have better buying options, but you could have the opportunity for a better one for the same money, or this for less.

In the commercial world, this is called "fear of missing out" to what you are suffering right now, for them it is a sales tactic, for us a reason to try to keep a cool head that we are going to do

Wait, you have already gotten rid of that dilemma, so let's see those photos